What do you believe and know about the giants?

[StewardoftheMystery]

It is written in
Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

Years ago I wondered why is it men of science claim to find all these bones of dinosaurs that are “supposedly” millions of years old, but yet you never hear of them finding the bones of the giants mentioned in the Bible.

I believe it is a cover up. Because when I researched the topic, there are a lot of historical accounts of men finding the bones of giant men. Even old pictures of these skeletons exist, or did exist.

But yet the bones,( many of which were sent to museums), seem to have just disappeared.

I believe without a doubt that giants existed because the word of God says they did. I do not need any physical evidence to make me believe they did exist.

But why would the world of science go to such great measures to cover up their existence?

And what do you know and believe about the existence of the giants?

 

[Beetow]

• Gen 6:4 . .There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward,
when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to
them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

One of the Bible's Hebrew words for "giant" is rapha' which appears in
numerous places throughout the Old Testament and typically always indicates
brutish people of large physical stature. But that's not the word for giants here.
Instead it's ha-nepihiylm which appears in only two verses in the entire Old
Testament; one here and the other in Numbers 13:33.

The word is somewhat ambiguous, but in this context it pertains to bullies:
especially to men famous for tyranny, e.g. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito
Mussolini, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe,
Muammar Gaddafi, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un.

In other words: ha-nepihiylm doesn't necessarily indicate a unique race of people;
but mostly strong personalities, i.e. especially alpha types whose ambition is to
quite dominate others, i.e. despots, dictators, and tyrants, etc. Those kinds of
people don't just want power: they want to own your soul, censor your information,
and control the content of your thoughts.

Men (and women) who seek to dominate others are often the least suitable to do
so; and back there in Noah's day that was certainly true. The moral quality of the
world built by the governance of the ha-nepihiylm was so poor that the situation
required God to step in and do something about it.
_

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

• Gen 6:4 . .There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward,
when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to
them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

One of the Bible's Hebrew words for "giant" is rapha' which appears in
numerous places throughout the Old Testament and typically always indicates
brutish people of large physical stature. But that's not the word for giants here.
Instead it's ha-nepihiylm which appears in only two verses in the entire Old
Testament; one here and the other in Numbers 13:33.

The word is somewhat ambiguous, but in this context it pertains to bullies:
especially to men famous for tyranny, e.g. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito
Mussolini, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe,
Muammar Gaddafi, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un.

In other words: ha-nepihiylm doesn't necessarily indicate a unique race of people;
but mostly strong personalities, i.e. especially alpha types whose ambition is to
quite dominate others, i.e. despots, dictators, and tyrants, etc. Those kinds of
people don't just want power: they want to own your soul, censor your information,
and control the content of your thoughts.

Men (and women) who seek to dominate others are often the least suitable to do
so; and back there in Noah's day that was certainly true. The moral quality of the
world built by the governance of the ha-nepihiylm was so poor that the situation
required God to step in and do something about it.
_

I’m glad to see that you can see in these natural giants a type and shadow of spiritual things to come.

Even though there were physical giants like Goliath as written, the Holy Spirit was also signifying in them “spiritual giants” to come if you will.

I noted years ago how God said all flesh that breathed would be destroyed in the flood.
Genesis 6:13
And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Genesis 6:17
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

But we are told that there were giants before and even after the flood.

Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

So how can that be if the seed of the giants was a flesh and blood seed, seeing that God had destroyed all flesh that breathed, with the exception of those who were with Noah on the Ark?

The only way there could be a remnant of the giants left after the flood is if the “seed” was spiritual in meaning.

Now I had never researched the word nepihiylm before, but what you said above agrees with what the Lord revealed to me by His Spirit many years ago.

So even though there where literal physical giants in those days, I also believe it was just a foreshadowing of the “spiritual giants” to come.

 

[Waggles]

The word is somewhat ambiguous, but in this context it pertains to bullies:
especially to men famous for tyranny, e.g. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Benito
Mussolini, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe,
Muammar Gaddafi, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un.

Highly contentious point of view.
You are describing spiritual wickedness which has nothing to do with Nephilim nor physical stature.
The references to Nephilim and giants are to do with the progeny of angels who trespassed and took the daughters of men as wives.
The result was various peoples referred to as giants - and not only in the Levant but the stories of giants that were cannibalistic are worldwide.
Also explains much about megalithic structures and stonework that are beyond human ability to create.
Genesis 6:4
(KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(ESV) The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
(LSV) The giants were in the earth in those days, and even afterward, when sons of God come in to the daughters of men, and they have borne to them those who [were] the mighty from of old, the men of renown.
(YLT) The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them - they are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name.

2Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day -

 

[Waggles]

Numbers 13:32 So they brought to the people of Israel a bad report of the land that they had spied out, saying, “The land, through which we have gone to spy it out, is a land that devours its inhabitants,
and all the people that we saw in it are of great height.
33 And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them.”

Joshua 11:21 And Joshua came at that time and cut off the Anakim from the hill country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the hill country of Judah, and from all the hill country of Israel. Joshua
devoted them to destruction with their cities.
22 There was none of the Anakim left in the land of the people of Israel. Only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod did some remain.

2Samuel 21:18 After this there was again war with the Philistines at Gob. Then Sibbecai the Hushathite struck down Saph, who was one of the descendants of the giants.
19 And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
20 And there was again war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand, and six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number, and he also was descended from the giants.
21 And when he taunted Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimei, David's brother, struck him down.
22 These four were descended from the giants in Gath, and they fell by the hand of David and by the hand of his servants.

1Samuel 17:4 And there came out from the camp of the Philistines a champion named Goliath of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.
1Sa 17:5 He had a helmet of bronze on his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail, and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of bronze.
1Sa 17:6 And he had bronze armour on his legs, and a javelin of bronze slung between his shoulders.
1Sa 17:7 The shaft of his spear was like a weaver's beam, and his spear's head weighed six hundred shekels of iron. And his shield-bearer went before him.
1Sa 17:8 He stood and shouted to the ranks of Israel, “Why have you come out to draw up for battle? Am I not a Philistine, and are you not servants of Saul? Choose a man for yourselves, and let him come down to me.

cubits: Note: According to Cumberland’s calculation, the height of Goliath was about eleven feet ten inches; but Parkhurst, estimating the ordinary cubit at seventeen inches and a half, calculates that he was nine feet six inches high.

 

[Waggles]

Numbers 21:33 Then they turned and went up by the way to Bashan. And Og the king of Bashan came out against them, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei.
Note: Bashan was the area west of the Sea of Chinnereth and then sweeping northwards around Lake Heron up to the slopes of Mount Hermon.
Mount Hermon is where both Judaic and Canaan religion describe as the location of the underworld where satan and his lot are imprisoned.


Deuteronomy 3:10 all the cities of the tableland and all Gilead and all Bashan, as far as Salecah and Edrei, cities of the kingdom of Og in Bashan.
11 (For only Og the king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaim. Behold, his bed was a bed of iron. Is it not in Rabbah of the Ammonites? Nine cubits was its length, and four cubits its breadth, according to the common cubit.)
[nine cubits = 17.5 inches x 9 = 157.5 inches ÷ 12 =13.125 feet in length]
Rephaim > H7497 רפה / רפא râphâ' / râphâh BDB Definition:1) giants, Rephaim 1a) old tribe of giants

Joshua 13:12 all the kingdom of Og in Bashan, who reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei (he alone was left of the remnant of the Rephaim); these Moses had struck and driven out.

 

[KingJ]

It is written in
Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

Years ago I wondered why is it men of science claim to find all these bones of dinosaurs that are “supposedly” millions of years old, but yet you never hear of them finding the bones of the giants mentioned in the Bible.

I believe it is a cover up. Because when I researched the topic, there are a lot of historical accounts of men finding the bones of giant men. Even old pictures of these skeletons exist, or did exist.

But yet the bones,( many of which were sent to museums), seem to have just disappeared.

I believe without a doubt that giants existed because the word of God says they did. I do not need any physical evidence to make me believe they did exist.

But why would the world of science go to such great measures to cover up their existence?

And what do you know and believe about the existence of the giants?

I was not aware that there was a cover up of fossils from giants. What would be the reason for this? I would think they be able to use any fossil and spin it into the evolution theory.

My two cents on giants: They came at the end of an age. The 'those days' in the scripture you quoted refer to the days of Noah.

I find it interesting that when it is the 'last days' of mankind, fallen angels seem to become a part of society. A lot like what is happening right now with the UFO sightings.

 

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Highly contentious point of view.
You are describing spiritual wickedness which has nothing to do with Nephilim nor physical stature.
The references to Nephilim and giants are to do with the progeny of angels who trespassed and took the daughters of men as wives.
The result was various peoples referred to as giants - and not only in the Levant but the stories of giants that were cannibalistic are worldwide.
Also explains much about megalithic structures and stonework that are beyond human ability to create.
Genesis 6:4
(KJV) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(ESV) The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
(LSV) The giants were in the earth in those days, and even afterward, when sons of God come in to the daughters of men, and they have borne to them those who [were] the mighty from of old, the men of renown.
(YLT) The fallen ones were in the earth in those days, and even afterwards when sons of God come in unto daughters of men, and they have borne to them - they are the heroes, who, from of old, are the men of name.

2Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;
Jude 1:6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day -

Hi @Waggles,

Looking at the last two verses that you have quoted, from 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6. the word translated 'Hell' in 2 Peter is Tartarus, only used once in the whole of Scripture. It was to these that the Lord went, in the Spirit, following His resurrection (1 Peter 3:9). To triumph over them. These created beings that had caused the destruction of the first Heaven and Earth, by leaving their 'first estate', and their infiltration and resulting corruption of mankind. The destruction of God's known purpose in regard to the seed of the woman being the object (Genesis 3:15). The risen Christ, who was the fulfillment of that promise made by God to Eve, as the Mother of all living, had risen from the dead, thereby fulfilling God's purpose, He had defeated the works of Satan, and was victorious over death, for all who would believe on His Name.

Praise God!

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

I was not aware that there was a cover up of fossils from giants. What would be the reason for this? I would think they be able to use any fossil and spin it into the evolution theory.

My two cents on giants: They came at the end of an age. The 'those days' in the scripture you quoted refer to the days of Noah.

I find it interesting that when it is the 'last days' of mankind, fallen angels seem to become a part of society. A lot like what is happening right now with the UFO sightings.

I did some research on the topic years ago and found that a lot of the giant bones went to the Smithsonian Institution, but have disappeared from there.

One article I read claimed that the Smithsonian had the bones destroyed. Many believe the reason they destroyed the bones is because they did not want the bones to confirm the Bible account about there being giants on earth.

The other reason is, the bones of giants would clash with their theory of evolution. But what science could not cover up was all the old news articles and pictures of giants found all over the world.

 

[StewardoftheMystery]

 

[paths that cross]

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Any Christian can appreciate the effort and study concerning regarding - the Angels and their description, do the scriptures truly consider Angels - as sons or children. is there the reality of an Angel existing as a child who is born of God ? ?

please allow the scriptures to speak for itself.


Luk 20: 33 - 36

:33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she ? for seven had her to wife.

:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

:36 NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.



:36 word for word exactly - manuscripts - word for word . .



Ουτε Neither - γαρ for - αποθανειν dying - ετι any more - δυνανται they can - ισαγγελοι like angels -


γαρ for - εισιν are - και also - υιοι children,, - εισιν are -

του of - θεου God - της the - αναστασεως resurrected - υιοι children - οντες are



:36
NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.


:36 - word for word exactly - manuscript text - word for word


NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.


are these passages simply saying that that the resurrected will also be like Angels whom are not able to die - and concluding saying

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

and not specifically attempting to say that Angels are themselves - CHILDREN OF GOD. I do believe the scriptures say exactly this.
what other way - how else would you say or explain that

- the resurrected

NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD - THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

it is not saying the Angels are children - if we look exactly to what the manuscripts say exactly - word by word, what is the passage saying and explaining ?


There are at least 24 verses, JUST IN THE OLD TESTAMENT - and at least 24 verses IN THE NEW TESTAMENT - that say that it is Humans Servants Of God / mankind, whom are called - “ The Sons Of God. “

And that God is a Father to mankind, God is a Father to his servants. AND THAT THE HUMANS ARE GOD’S CHILDREN
FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN OF GOD - THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

NOT THE ANGELS.\ - not even one single instance in the the entire Bible describe Angels, as Sons Of God

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father ? Hath not one God created us?
Isa 1:2 The LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children
Hos 1:10 it shall be said unto Israel, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Exo 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, Even my firstborn:
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, As a man doth bear his son,
Deu 8:5 as a man chasteneth his son, So the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.
Jer 31:20 Is Ephraim my dear son.
Mal 3:17 I will spare them, As a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Psa 82:6 all of you are children / children / sons of the most High.
Deu 32:6 the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? Is not he thy father that hath bought thee?
Isa 43:6 The Lord will say - bring my children / sons from far, MY DAUGHTERS from ends of the earth;
Isa 63:8 The Lord said - they are my children that will not lie.
Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, - : thou, O LORD, Art our father
Psa 103:13 Like as a father pitieth his children, So the LORD pitieth them
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, Thou art our father; we are the clay,
Jer 3:4 + :19 Will you not from this time cry unto me, My father,
Jer 3:14 + :22 Turn, O backsliding children.
Jer 31:9 I am a father to Israel, And Ephraim is my firstborn.
Jer 3:19 Thou shalt call me, " THE LORD " My father; and shalt not turn away from me.
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, As a man doth bear his son.
Mal 1:6 If then I " THE LORD " be a father, Where is mine honour?
1Ch 17:13 I will be his father, And he shall be my son:
1Ch 29:10 David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, For ever and ever.

Even in the New Testament - the believers in Yahashua are called The - SONS OF GOD

NEVER THE ANGELS

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, this day have I begotten thee ?

And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? - UNTO AN ANGEL .... NEVER EVER,.,

God has never once proclaimed OR PRONOUNCED that an Angel is his son - - HE HAS BEGOTTEN NOT A SINGLE ANGEL.


symbolically God as a creator can be said to be a Father of all of his Creation, but God does not bring forth to conceive birth or begot or have children - Jesus Christ alone is the ONLY BORN / BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

not an angel.

 

[Waggles]

symbolically God as a creator can be said to be a Father of all of his Creation, but God does not bring forth to conceive birth or begot or have children - Jesus Christ alone is the ONLY BORN / BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

Scripture speaks plainly as to the spirit beings that also inhabit the Heavenly realms
Genesis 6:1 When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them,
2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.
[note that scripture does not state sons of Adam or the sons of man as opposed to the daughters of man ]

Gen 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them.
These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.
[why would human men having children with human women produce the Nephilim or giants?
Were the children of Adam and Eve Nephilim? ]

Deuteronomy 32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to
the number of the sons of God.
9 But the LORD's portion is his people, Jacob his allotted heritage.
[here is made a distinction between nations under the rule of Watchers BUT Jacob shall be under the care of YHWH. ]
Daniel 10:13 The prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me twenty-one days, but Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I was left there with the kings of Persia,

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before YHWH, and satan also came among them.
7 YHWH said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered YHWH and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
[no human beings in this scenario ]
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before YHWH, and satan also came among them to present himself before YHWH.
[the sons of Adam are no present in this event ]

Job 38:6 On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone,
7 when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
8 “Or who shut in the sea with doors when it burst out from the womb,
9 when I made clouds its garment and thick darkness its swaddling band,
[YHWH is talking to Job about the creation of this planet Earth and states that the sons of God celebrated with Him and were joyful at this
again no human beings here in this scenario ]

Even in the New Testament - the believers in Yahushua are called The - SONS OF GOD

Only by adoption through the indwelling Holy Spirit - not the same as spirit beings in Heaven dwelling in the light with YHWH.
Romans 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

 

[Twistie]

.

Any Christian can appreciate the effort and study concerning regarding - the Angels and their description, do the scriptures truly consider Angels - as sons or children. is there the reality of an Angel existing as a child who is born of God ? ?

please allow the scriptures to speak for itself.


Luk 20: 33 - 36

:33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she ? for seven had her to wife.

:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

:36 NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.



:36 word for word exactly - manuscripts - word for word . .



Ουτε Neither - γαρ for - αποθανειν dying - ετι any more - δυνανται they can - ισαγγελοι like angels -


γαρ for - εισιν are - και also - υιοι children,, - εισιν are -

του of - θεου God - της the - αναστασεως resurrected - υιοι children - οντες are



:36
NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.


:36 - word for word exactly - manuscript text - word for word


NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.


are these passages simply saying that that the resurrected will also be like Angels whom are not able to die - and concluding saying

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

and not specifically attempting to say that Angels are themselves - CHILDREN OF GOD. I do believe the scriptures say exactly this.
what other way - how else would you say or explain that

- the resurrected

NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD - THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

it is not saying the Angels are children - if we look exactly to what the manuscripts say exactly - word by word, what is the passage saying and explaining ?


There are at least 24 verses, JUST IN THE OLD TESTAMENT - and at least 24 verses IN THE NEW TESTAMENT - that say that it is Humans Servants Of God / mankind, whom are called - “ The Sons Of God. “

And that God is a Father to mankind, God is a Father to his servants. AND THAT THE HUMANS ARE GOD’S CHILDREN
FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN OF GOD - THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

NOT THE ANGELS.\ - not even one single instance in the the entire Bible describe Angels, as Sons Of God

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father ? Hath not one God created us?
Isa 1:2 The LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children
Hos 1:10 it shall be said unto Israel, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Exo 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, Even my firstborn:
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, As a man doth bear his son,
Deu 8:5 as a man chasteneth his son, So the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.
Jer 31:20 Is Ephraim my dear son.
Mal 3:17 I will spare them, As a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Psa 82:6 all of you are children / children / sons of the most High.
Deu 32:6 the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? Is not he thy father that hath bought thee?
Isa 43:6 The Lord will say - bring my children / sons from far, MY DAUGHTERS from ends of the earth;
Isa 63:8 The Lord said - they are my children that will not lie.
Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, - : thou, O LORD, Art our father
Psa 103:13 Like as a father pitieth his children, So the LORD pitieth them
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, Thou art our father; we are the clay,
Jer 3:4 + :19 Will you not from this time cry unto me, My father,
Jer 3:14 + :22 Turn, O backsliding children.
Jer 31:9 I am a father to Israel, And Ephraim is my firstborn.
Jer 3:19 Thou shalt call me, " THE LORD " My father; and shalt not turn away from me.
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, As a man doth bear his son.
Mal 1:6 If then I " THE LORD " be a father, Where is mine honour?
1Ch 17:13 I will be his father, And he shall be my son:
1Ch 29:10 David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, For ever and ever.

Even in the New Testament - the believers in Yahashua are called The - SONS OF GOD

NEVER THE ANGELS

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, this day have I begotten thee ?

And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? - UNTO AN ANGEL .... NEVER EVER,.,

God has never once proclaimed OR PRONOUNCED that an Angel is his son - - HE HAS BEGOTTEN NOT A SINGLE ANGEL.


symbolically God as a creator can be said to be a Father of all of his Creation, but God does not bring forth to conceive birth or begot or have children - Jesus Christ alone is the ONLY BORN / BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

not an angel.

Using all that color stuff just blacks out most of what ya wrote just so ya know

Twistie

 

[paths that cross]

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As Christians we can appreciate the effort and study concerning regarding - the Angels and their description, do the scriptures truly consider Angels - as sons or children. is there the reality of an Angel existing as a child who is born of God ? ?

please allow the scriptures to speak for itself.

Luk 20: 33 - 36 - Jesus is being asked a hypothetical question about a woman who had 7 husbands who had all died

:33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she ? for seven had her to wife.

:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

:36 NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.


:36 word for word exactly manuscripts - word for word . .


Ουτε Neither - γαρ for - αποθανειν dying - ετι any more - δυνανται they can - ισαγγελοι like angels -

γαρ for - εισιν are - και also - υιοι children - εισιν are - του of - θεου God - της the - αναστασεως resurrected - υιοι children - οντες are

meaning - :36
NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS.

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

:36 - word for word exactly - manuscript text - word for word

NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS, FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.


are these passages simply saying that that the resurrected will also be like Angels whom are not able to die - and not attempting to insinuate and hint to a narrative that Angels are also considered as children of God and concluding saying ?

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

but not specifically attempting to say that Angels are themselves - CHILDREN OF GOD. I do believe the scriptures say exactly this. what other way - how else would you say or explain that - the resurrected children who do not have sexual ability are similar to angels - FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS, FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD - THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

are the Angels also children or sons of God ? - if we look exactly to what the manuscripts say exactly - word by word, what is the passage saying and explaining ? There are at least 24 verses, JUST IN THE OLD TESTAMENT - and at least 24 verses IN THE NEW TESTAMENT - that say that it is Humans Servants Of God / mankind, whom are called - “ The Sons Of God. “ And that God is a Father to mankind, God is a Father to his servants. AND THAT THE HUMANS ARE GOD’S CHILDREN

is there a single instance in the the entire Bible that describe Angels, as Sons Of God ? ?

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father ? Hath not one God created us?
Isa 1:2 The LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children
Hos 1:10 it shall be said unto Israel, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Exo 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, Even my firstborn:
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, As a man doth bear his son,
Deu 8:5 as a man chasteneth his son, So the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.
Jer 31:20 Is Ephraim my dear son.
Mal 3:17 I will spare them, As a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Psa 82:6 all of you are children / children / sons of the most High.
Deu 32:6 the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? Is not he thy father that hath bought thee?
Isa 43:6 The Lord will say - bring my children / sons from far, MY DAUGHTERS from ends of the earth;
Isa 63:8 The Lord said - they are my children that will not lie.
Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, - : thou, O LORD, Art our father
Psa 103:13 Like as a father pitieth his children, So the LORD pitieth them
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, Thou art our father; we are the clay,
Jer 3:4 + :19 Will you not from this time cry unto me, My father,
Jer 3:14 + :22 Turn, O backsliding children.
Jer 31:9 I am a father to Israel, And Ephraim is my firstborn.
Jer 3:19 Thou shalt call me, " THE LORD " My father; and shalt not turn away from me.
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, As a man doth bear his son.
Mal 1:6 If then I " THE LORD " be a father, Where is mine honour?
1Ch 17:13 I will be his father, And he shall be my son:
1Ch 29:10 David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, For ever and ever.

Even in the New Testament - the believers in Yahashua are called The - SONS OF GOD, IF THE ANGELS ARE NEVER DIRECTLY CALLED AS SONS OF GOD would this not be confirmed by Heb 1:5

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, this day have I begotten thee ?

And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? - - - UNTO AN ANGEL .... if God himself questions and doubts the idea why should we not take him at his word ? why would we believe that a contradiction in the Translation should be something that we as Christians should support and not look directly to the original message within the manuscripts ?

this is the Godheadian Translation = Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

this below - this the exact word for word translation exactly from the manuscripts

NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

 

[Twistie]

,

As Christians we can appreciate the effort and study concerning regarding - the Angels and their description, do the scriptures truly consider Angels - as sons or children. is there the reality of an Angel existing as a child who is born of God ? ?

please allow the scriptures to speak for itself.

Luk 20: 33 - 36 - Jesus is being asked a hypothetical question about a woman who had 7 husbands who had all died

:33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she ? for seven had her to wife.

:34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:

:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

:36 NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.


:36 word for word exactly manuscripts - word for word . .


Ουτε Neither - γαρ for - αποθανειν dying - ετι any more - δυνανται they can - ισαγγελοι like angels -

γαρ for - εισιν are - και also - υιοι children - εισιν are - του of - θεου God - της the - αναστασεως resurrected - υιοι children - οντες are

meaning - :36
NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS.

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

:36 - word for word exactly - manuscript text - word for word

NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS, FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.


are these passages simply saying that that the resurrected will also be like Angels whom are not able to die - and not attempting to insinuate and hint to a narrative that Angels are also considered as children of God and concluding saying ?

FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

but not specifically attempting to say that Angels are themselves - CHILDREN OF GOD. I do believe the scriptures say exactly this. what other way - how else would you say or explain that - the resurrected children who do not have sexual ability are similar to angels - FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS, FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD - THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

are the Angels also children or sons of God ? - if we look exactly to what the manuscripts say exactly - word by word, what is the passage saying and explaining ? There are at least 24 verses, JUST IN THE OLD TESTAMENT - and at least 24 verses IN THE NEW TESTAMENT - that say that it is Humans Servants Of God / mankind, whom are called - “ The Sons Of God. “ And that God is a Father to mankind, God is a Father to his servants. AND THAT THE HUMANS ARE GOD’S CHILDREN

is there a single instance in the the entire Bible that describe Angels, as Sons Of God ? ?

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father ? Hath not one God created us?
Isa 1:2 The LORD hath spoken, I have nourished and brought up children
Hos 1:10 it shall be said unto Israel, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Exo 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, Even my firstborn:
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, As a man doth bear his son,
Deu 8:5 as a man chasteneth his son, So the LORD thy God chasteneth thee.
Jer 31:20 Is Ephraim my dear son.
Mal 3:17 I will spare them, As a man spareth his own son that serveth him.
Psa 82:6 all of you are children / children / sons of the most High.
Deu 32:6 the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? Is not he thy father that hath bought thee?
Isa 43:6 The Lord will say - bring my children / sons from far, MY DAUGHTERS from ends of the earth;
Isa 63:8 The Lord said - they are my children that will not lie.
Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou art our father, - : thou, O LORD, Art our father
Psa 103:13 Like as a father pitieth his children, So the LORD pitieth them
Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, Thou art our father; we are the clay,
Jer 3:4 + :19 Will you not from this time cry unto me, My father,
Jer 3:14 + :22 Turn, O backsliding children.
Jer 31:9 I am a father to Israel, And Ephraim is my firstborn.
Jer 3:19 Thou shalt call me, " THE LORD " My father; and shalt not turn away from me.
Deu 1:31 The LORD thy God bare thee, As a man doth bear his son.
Mal 1:6 If then I " THE LORD " be a father, Where is mine honour?
1Ch 17:13 I will be his father, And he shall be my son:
1Ch 29:10 David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, For ever and ever.

Even in the New Testament - the believers in Yahashua are called The - SONS OF GOD, IF THE ANGELS ARE NEVER DIRECTLY CALLED AS SONS OF GOD would this not be confirmed by Heb 1:5

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, THOU ART MY SON, this day have I begotten thee ?

And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? - - - UNTO AN ANGEL .... if God himself questions and doubts the idea why should we not take him at his word ? why would we believe that a contradiction in the Translation should be something that we as Christians should support and not look directly to the original message within the manuscripts ?

this is the Godheadian Translation = Luk 20:36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

this below - this the exact word for word translation exactly from the manuscripts

NEITHER FOR DYING ANY MORE THEY CAN LIKE ANGELS FOR ARE ALSO CHILDREN ARE OF GOD THE RESURRECTED CHILDREN ARE.

Bunch of dark writing..


Twistie

 

[paths that cross]

hey there Twistie

truly so sorry for this happening to you,

if you have time all ya have to do is simply scroll down to the bottom of each page - down there at the very, very bottom of this page, look for the words " Light Mode " by clicking on these words you can very easily make changes to your page and switch over to " Light Mode " its all truly so simple

 

[backNforth]

Concerning the OP,

The following is not taught within the so-called Christian denominations. The reason will become obvious.

There are 34 tribes of giants mentioned in the Holy Bible, but you won't hear that from your local denomination. Rather, we get the watered down "Goliath" snippet. As per Wiggles, concerning that hackneyed story of Goliath, what isn't usually mentioned is that the reason why David took five stones across the creek is because Goliath had four (giant) brothers... The National Library of Congress has THOUSANDS of archived newspaper articles going back hundreds of years that chronicle the discovery of giant bones and artifacts. And the Smithsonian cover ups are also documented.

Folks wonder about the biblical accounts of a supposedly loving God who orders the destruction of every man, woman, child AND animal. But those were actually acts of mercy, as it was cities/tribes of giants being taken out so that they would not continue to pollute man's gene pool in an attempt to prevent the birth of the coming Messiah (just like today, with the poison injections and genetic slicing, dicing, tampering). The fallen ones (Nephilim) mated with earthly women, who produced rather large offspring (giants). These giants then mated with everything, including animals (recall the Greek half-man, half-beast legends); they were also cannibalistic and many had six fingers and six toes. Anything that defiles God's creation, e.g. our temple (the believer's body) is fair game. The reason why God flooded/executed the entire planet (except for Noah's eight, because Noah's genetics were not compromised) was because of the abominations of the giants. The flood of Noah's time is absolute key to bible prophecy.

The reason why this biblical info is hidden or poo-poo'd is because Jesus said his return would be "as it was in the days of Noah." i.e. we had giants roaming the earth then. So, when Christ returns, there will likewise be giants roaming the earth. Satan wants to manipulate the situation; he does not want us to know or recognize or discern the return of Jesus Christ. Jesus said that deception would mark the time of his return; we are there now.

I am former military, from a long line of generational military. There are genetically altered/manipulated giants and other "hybrid" creatures present now, located underground, waiting. It's a numbers game for Satan, as his deluded plan is to kick God's backside at Armageddon. A foundational belief in Satan's world of the occult is that the second coming of Christ can be stopped. The disembodied spirits of the drowned giants (millions of them) are in the air about us now, seeking embodiment. (My ministry is one of deliverance; I have had firsthand experience with some of these creatures). Winged angels would be restricted inside a human host, but the spirits of the drowned giants are not winged (nor are any angels eligible for salvation), thus they seek human embodiment to act out their wicked natures. Also, think about the possibility of Satan, in occupying the "temple" as a result of ill-researched injection(s), using those injected people as a part of the numbers-game army he believes he's gonna need.

 

[Twistie]

hey there Twistie

truly so sorry for this happening to you,

if you have time all ya have to do is simply scroll down to the bottom of each page - down there at the very, very bottom of this page, look for the words " Light Mode " by clicking on these words you can very easily make changes to your page and switch over to " Light Mode " its all truly so simple

Ya umm no lol I'm totally untech lol n if I do something n it messed everything up imma b at a lost this tablet is so old n broken I'm still in wonder how it keeps charging n staying on lol.. I learned the hard way don't mess with no settings lol

Thanks for letting me know tho.. appreciate ya


Twistie

 

[paths that cross]

understand completely, also the changing of the page to " Light Mode " will not be making any change whatsoever in your personal devices such as Laptops, Tablets or Phones
and it will not be making changes to other websites - "Light Mode " is specifically changing the background of this specific page on this website only.

it just makes settings as normal instead of the site page having a black or dark background,

have a wonderful day, God bless you always

 

[theLeadmonger]

It is written in
Genesis 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”

Years ago I wondered why is it men of science claim to find all these bones of dinosaurs that are “supposedly” millions of years old, but yet you never hear of them finding the bones of the giants mentioned in the Bible.

I believe it is a cover up. Because when I researched the topic, there are a lot of historical accounts of men finding the bones of giant men. Even old pictures of these skeletons exist, or did exist.

But yet the bones,( many of which were sent to museums), seem to have just disappeared.

I believe without a doubt that giants existed because the word of God says they did. I do not need any physical evidence to make me believe they did exist.

But why would the world of science go to such great measures to cover up their existence?

And what do you know and believe about the existence of the giants?

I was once a library intern, over 40 years ago, and had to work for a librarian who seemed to have no interests outside of sword and sorcery and Manga. As grammar, Moses' book states that there were giants in the land in those days, and "in those days" refers back to the time before the flood. I have no quarrel with Biblical Literalism, Genesis says that before the flood, fallen demonic spirits had children by human women.

Hereditary witches like Bevery Cleary, who I worked for as an intern, believe in hereditary witchcraft, which is the teaching that there are modern people in modern times who are descended from demons ("the old gods"; "The Nephilim", etc), who were at first wiped out during the flood of Noah's day. This is the basis of predestination teaching, as in the writings of John Calvin, Martin Luther, and others. There is no scientific evidence that hereditary witchcraft is a genetic fact, but I am also aware that some families instill rather antichristian beliefs in their pedagogy and homelife.

Literal belief in the people so described by either witches or Christians is the basis of philosophical determinism and the denial of the doctrine of Free Will.

Calvinists and Witches alike violate the constitution of the United States, and contradict Thomas Jefferson, whose right to the pursuit of happiness overwrites the American judicial principle of freedom of thought, which predicates freedom of speech, assembly, and the press. Also, the doctrine of "giants in the land" violates the Jeffersonian principle that all men are created equal, by teaching that "demon blood" is more powerful than either human bloodlines alone and more influential on the person's life than either spirituality or pedagogy. Witches and Calvinists who believe in "giants" minimize the doctrine of the fall and doctrines of the soul, the teaching of the Holy Spirit, the practice of prayer, and a host of other spiritual teachings and practices in the Christian church.