What does the Bible say about Gay Lifestyles

[RJ]

First of all, I love everyone but there is two caveats:
1. Jesus said that we are to even love our enemies but he says nothing about agreeing or accepting who they or what they represent.
2. If we are to treat our enemies in this new fashion, then everyone else in our life must be afforded the same respect.

I see more and more how the Liberals and Progressives, in cluding churches, are embracing the gay community.
Their most common stance is we elect to love them and accept gays into our churches.
Threepremises ruling this discussion:
1. We agree that homosexuality is a sin, no worse than any other sin but, none the less, a sin.
2. Thinking that homosexuality is a sin doesn't make one a homophobe . We don't fear who they are, we fear what is to become of them.
3. If you can't abide by 1. and 2. above, participating will probably not work.

I often see Acts 8: 26-40 use as "the" Biblical proof that the Bible supports gay life styles. This point is ill-informed and poorly taken.
A encyclopedia definition of a Biblical Eunich: The eunuchs of the Bible were usually castrated males or those incapable of reproduction due to a birth defect. A eunuch could also be someone who performed work typical of eunuchs, although he remained perfectly capable of having sex—i.e., “eunuch” in some cases was simply a title. The purpose of intentional castration was to induce impotence and remove sexuality. It was a common practice in ancient times for rulers to castrate some of their servants and/or advisers in order to subdue and pacify them. It was especially common to castrate men who tended the royal harem.

The Eunich in tn Acts was definetly baptise but it does not mean that God or the Bible accepts gay lifestyles.
1. Based on common definition, there is no indication that the Eunich was gay.
2. Even if the Eunich was gay, there is no indication that the Eunich was not regenerated / converted and saved.
3. Under the New Testament law of salvation by grace, the Acts verse does not effect God's premise, that after salvation, as a part of first fruits, is a regenerated and repentant heart towards all sin.
There are other Bible verses that show God disaproves of a gay lifestyle.

 

[goga]

First of all, I love everyone but there is two caveats:
1. Jesus said that we are to even love our enemies but he says nothing about agreeing or accepting who they or what they represent.

He also did not say how and in which way to love them, except to care for their life.

If we are to treat our enemies in this new fashion, then everyone else in our life must be afforded the same respect.

We should be wise, first of all, then we'll know what and how. God gives wisdom to those who loves Him.

I see more and more how the Liberals and Progressives, in cluding churches, are embracing the gay community.
Their most common stance is we elect to love them and accept gays into our churches.

Show me one person, who after the repentance does not sin in any way, I'll tell you that those churches are wrong.

There are other Bible verses that show God disaproves of a gay lifestyle.

God disapproves many things and lifestyles, yet they are an ongoing process in ppls lives. Jesus did not approve Peter's rejection, yet He accepted him back, even though Peter was with Him for so long, which means, Peter was still in his "lifestyle".

 

[RJ]

Show me one person, who after the repentance does not sin in any way, I'll tell you that those churches are wrong.[/QUOTE}
That is my whole point!!!! I am talking about accepting gays into the church WHO are not repentant for their sin!

God disapproves many things and lifestyles, yet they are an ongoing process in ppls lives. Jesus did not approve Peter's rejection, yet He accepted him back, even though Peter was with Him for so long, which means, Peter was still in his "lifestyle".

Again, the key word here is repentant! To be a repentant sinner and a Christian...yes! To be a unrepentant sinner and a Christian....no!

 

[Stickz]

lifestyle: 1. (n) the habits, attitudes, tastes, moral standards, economic level, etc., that together constitute the mode of living of an individual or group.

Straight answer: Are you saying that you believe gay people, after truly being saved, should cease from being gay--committing any gay acts, completely? Or should they just try real hard not to do it every day, or what?

 

[RJ]

Straight answer: Are you saying that you believe gay people, after truly being saved, should cease from being gay--committing any gay acts, completely? Or should they just try real hard not to do it every day, or what?

I am assuming you are talking to me.
This is what I ave been saying:

• It is really not only about gays, it is about any sinner.
• No one sin, except the sin of unbelief, is any worse than the other; we are all sinners and fall short of God's glory.
• Any person who is saved is because they now have Christ living in them....the old has gone and the new as come!
• After receiving the Holy Spirit you are change, regenerated.
• As a part of this regeneration, as God's continuing gift, you become more and more repentant.
• Any "so called" Christian who is not repentant, reveals that they have not been regenerated and thus saved.
• It is the Christ, in you, that convicts you of your sin and a fruit that you are repentant.
• With regard to the Gay, they are no different than any other sinner. The issue is that their forgiveness and acceptance is at the forefront of America's consciousness and secular movement to approve this lifestyle and now this emotion is now creeping further into the church.
• Again, this can be with any sinner but let's focus on Gays. Scripturally, it is not possible for a gay to be a true, regenerated Christian and be unrepentant and willfully commits to this immoral act at the same time.
• We all continue to sin to some degree but the difference is, after salvation, if we continue to willfully sin or if we are repentant and remorseful of our sin.
• If you continue to willfully sin, there remains no sacrifice for you.
• I don't know of any but, I assume that there will be many a Christian, that though repentant and concerned still, for many reasons, still occasionally slip in and out of gay relationships. The difference is that they don't like or happy with their situation, they are working at stopping and may even need our help to finally pull away from this lifestyle.
• Yes we should love them but this kind of love doesn't not mean that we turn our back on their sin.We should welcome the open gay into our midst but we should not accept their lifestyle but help them see the error of their sin, in hopes that they truly reach out to God, receive is grace and have a regenerated heart.

 

[Stickz]

I agree with you, RJ, homosexuality is definitely a sin according to scripture, and we are warned not to continue in sin. I'm not sure that I believe much can be done about it being accepted by our government, our societies, though. We COULD pray together about it, but, from what I can gather in scripture, the world is supposed to become exceeding sinful and cause the Lord to come back to destroy it, right? Would we find ourselves praying to stop something that God has already said was going to happen? The best thing to do MAY be to pluck what we can from the fire(?).

Heterosexuals can find themselves in sinful lifestyles too so no one need take offense by our just pointing out what the Bible says about homosexuality being sinful. God seems to ask us to control ourselves when it comes to many things in this life.

 

[RJ]

True. I would add that any sinner can receive God's free gift of grace up to his last breath and be regenerated. I am not saying that gays are our enemy, I hate it when the Liberal/ Progressive left call me a Homophobic. It is not them I dislike, it is their unrepentant sin I hate. We should love but not accept their lifestyle.
Here is an analogy how we should also treat them:
Jesus said we are to love our enemies but scripture says nowhere that we are to accept and agree with their lifestyle. One way of doing this to forgive them. We should afford any man the same right, including our neighbors or homosexuals.

 

[Stickz]

"I hate it when the Liberal/ Progressive left call me a Homophobic."

Homophobia: 1. unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
Homophobia sometimes leads to acts of violence and expressions of hostility too.

I believe that words like "homophobic", "insecure" and "closed-minded" are often slung around by people who are looking to manipulate a situation or conversation by giving their opponent a label that is often looked at with shame by the majorities, but just because someone doesn't immediately see your point on something doesn't necessarily make them closed-minded. Who wants to be known as closed-minded though? I think "manipulative" needs to become one of those commonly-used labeling words of shame.

The difference with homosexuality, RJ, is probably due to all the other criticisms and hates that they've dealt with. In the eyes of a Christian, homosexuality is the same as alcoholism or drug addiction, really ( that's how I see it, anyway ) but outside of the body of Christ homosexuals deal with different forms of hate and even violent acts that alcoholics and drug addicts don't usually have to endure. The people who act violently toward the gays actually cause people to start looking at them as even bigger victims than alcoholics and drug addicts because they ARE in fact bigger victims due to the additional unwise behavior of the people who hate them in that way.

 

[B-A-C]

"I hate it when the Liberal/ Progressive left call me a Homophobic."

Homophobia: 1. unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
Homophobia sometimes leads to acts of violence and expressions of hostility too.
.

Christophobia: 1. unreasoning fear or antipathy towards Jesus Christ and Christians.
2. Fear of God's Word and the teachings of Jesus
3. Offense taken at the name of Jesus

Christophobia sometimes leads to acts of voilence towards Christians (such as beheadings and imprisonment)
Also expressions of hostility such as name calling, removal of the commandments and prayer in community buildings.
Also this can cause suing businesses and churches that believe in Jesus and follow His teachings.

The definition above probably doesn't exist in any wikipedia or dictionary, I just made it up.

 

[RJ]

"I hate it when the Liberal/ Progressive left call me a Homophobic."

Homophobia: 1. unreasoning fear of or antipathy toward homosexuals and homosexuality.
Homophobia sometimes leads to acts of violence and expressions of hostility too.

I believe that words like "homophobic", "insecure" and "closed-minded" are often slung around by people who are looking to manipulate a situation or conversation by giving their opponent a label that is often looked at with shame by the majorities, but just because someone doesn't immediately see your point on something doesn't necessarily make them closed-minded. Who wants to be known as closed-minded though? I think "manipulative" needs to become one of those commonly-used labeling words of shame.

The difference with homosexuality, RJ, is probably due to all the other criticisms and hates that they've dealt with. In the eyes of a Christian, homosexuality is the same as alcoholism or drug addiction, really ( that's how I see it, anyway ) but outside of the body of Christ homosexuals deal with different forms of hate and even violent acts that alcoholics and drug addicts don't usually have to endure. The people who act violently toward the gays actually cause people to start looking at them as even bigger victims than alcoholics and drug addicts because they ARE in fact bigger victims due to the additional unwise behavior of the people who hate them in that way.

Yes, but within this discussion, the point is the difference between repentant and willful-unrepentant sin.

 

[Stickz]

I don't really understand your post here, RJ. I posted a definition to a word that YOU used, what are you trying to say to me here:
"Yes, but within this discussion, the point is the difference between repentant and willful-unrepentant sin."?

 

[RJ]

I don't really understand your post here, RJ. I posted a definition to a word that YOU used, what are you trying to say to me here:
"Yes, but within this discussion, the point is the difference between repentant and willful-unrepentant sin."?

I started this thread and I repeated my stance on gays and the church throughout posts 3, 5, 7 and 10. I don't disagree with your definition of homophobia, which still basically remains the fear of homosexuals. The point in post # 10 above, regardless of generic discussions, was that the issue I have talked about throughout this thread which is the ongoing problem of unrepentant gays in the church. I might add that this stance is supported by the growing number of churches that allow openly gay Pastors and marriages!

 

[Stickz]

Somehow it seems like you disagree with something I posted and I guess I'm not intelligent enough to understand .... I thought my post was actually supportive of the things that you had said in your post, but it is cool, forget it. Maybe you just weren't prepared for me to agree with you on something .... Might have been a first.

 

[rag4aCrown]

Replying to the OP
What does the bible say about gay lifestyles?
It says it is an abomination to God.
And now, the abomination of desolation is standing at some pulpits.

 

[Stickz]

The Bible says lying lips are an abomination to God too.

 

[RJ]

Somehow it seems like you disagree with something I posted and I guess I'm not intelligent enough to understand .... I thought my post was actually supportive of the things that you had said in your post, but it is cool, forget it. Maybe you just weren't prepared for me to agree with you on something .... Might have been a first.

Now I am confused. Well, no offense meant. God Bless!

 

[Stickz]

What the Bible says about gay lifestyles is this: Christians cannot go around telling people that we all sin everyday etc and then tell gay people that they have to stop being gay or they were never saved. If you sin everyday and consider yourself saved then why can't gay people do it? Wanna bring up how being homosexual is an abomination in God's eyes, like that makes that particular sin different somehow? Maybe you should look and see what other sins God considers to be abominations. Wanna bring up the fact that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for being fully given over to homosexuality? I say, show me where it says that exact thing in scripture. People who call themselves Christians need to stop allowing themselves to be biased toward certain sins, being hypocritical. If any sin has to be completely done away with when one becomes "saved" then all sin should have to be done away with.