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about the age of accountabilty? I am approaching the anniversary of the death of my newborn. Many people (christian people) consoled me many times with the infamous words of "your baby is in heaven now, Jesus is taking care of your baby now until you meet again in heaven" and the like. How do I know that my baby is in heaven. Does the bible speak of this "age of accountability" or is that something we weak humans have come up with to comfort ourselves. I have friends who have had miscarriages and they too have been told countless time, by pastors even that they will see their babies in Heaven.

I don't know what to think. I would like to believe that my baby is happy and enjoying "life" in Heaven, but I keep thinking about the passage that talks about Jacob holding onto Esau's leg, trying to get that "birthright" even in the womb. If Jacob and Esau could be battling over birthrights before birth, this would seem to say that infants, even before birth have a grasp of important things, so I guess what I am asking is are babies covered by grace, do they know about grace?

I hope I have not rambled too much and that you understand my question. Thank you for listening, or I guess I should say reading.
 
I have done a search on the internet for you sister in response to your questions. Here is what I found for you. We are here to help in any way we can.

Question: "What happens to babies and young children when they die? Where do I find the age of accountability in the Bible?"

Answer: The Bible tells us that even if an infant or child has not committed personal sin, all people, including infants and children, are guilty before God because of inherited and imputed sin. Inherited sin is that which is passed on from our parents. In Psalm 51:5, David wrote, "I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me." David recognized that even at conception, he was a sinner. The very sad fact that infants sometimes die demonstrates that even infants are impacted by Adam’s sin, since physical and spiritual death were the results of Adam's original sin.

Each person, infant or adult, stands guilty before God; each person has offended the holiness of God. The only way that God can be just and at the same time declare a person righteous is for that person to have received forgiveness by faith in Christ. Christ is the only way. John 14:6 records what Jesus said, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." Also, Peter stated in Acts 4:12, "there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved." Salvation is an individual choice.

What about babies and young children who never reach the ability to make this individual choice? The “age of accountability” is a concept that teaches those who die before reaching the “age of accountability” are automatically saved, by God’s grace and mercy. The “age of accountability” is a belief that God saves all those who die before reaching the ability to make a decision for or against Christ. Thirteen is the most common number given for the age of accountability based on the Jewish custom that a child becomes an adult at the age of 13. However, the Bible gives no direct support to the age of 13 always being the age of accountability. It likely varies from child to child. A child has passed the age of accountability once he or she is capable of making a faith decision for or against Christ.

With the above in mind, also consider the following: Christ's death is presented as sufficient for all of mankind. First John 2:2 says Jesus "is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." This verse is clear that Jesus' death was sufficient for all sins, not just the sins of those who specifically have come to Him in faith. The fact that Christ's death was sufficient for all sin would allow the possibility of God applying that payment to those who were never capable of believing.

The one passage that seems to identify with this topic more than any other is 2 Samuel 12:21-23. The context of these verses is that King David committed adultery with Bathsheba, with a resulting pregnancy. The prophet Nathan was sent by the Lord to inform David that because of his sin, the Lord would take the child in death. David responded to this by grieving, mourning, and praying for the child. But, once the child was taken, David's mourning ended. David's servants were surprised to hear this. They said to King David, "What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food." David's response was, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me." David's response can be seen as an argument that those who cannot believe are safe in the Lord. David said that he could go to the child, but that he could not bring the child back to him. Also, and just as important, David seemed to be comforted over this. In other words, David seemed to be saying that he would once again see the child (in heaven), though he could not bring him back.

Though the Bible leaves open the possibility, the one problem with saying that God applies Christ's payment for sin to those who can't believe is that the Bible does not specifically say that He does this. Therefore, this is a subject for which we should not be adamant or dogmatic. We can, however, be dogmatic about the fact that God ALWAYS does what is right.

Knowing the love and grace of God, God applying Christ’s death to those who cannot believe would seem consistent with His character. It is our position that God applies Christ's payment for sin to young children and those who are mentally handicapped, since they were not mentally capable of understanding their sinful state and their need for the Savior. Of this we are certain, that God is loving, holy, merciful, just, and gracious. Whatever He does, it is ALWAYS right and good.

Recommended Resource: Safe in the Arms of God: Words from Heaven About the Death of a Child by John MacArthur.

God bless you sister. :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
I too have lost babies, in various stages of gestation. I also lost a baby through stillbirth, which was very traumatic. At that time, I truly felt the presence of God in the room with me, and it was very comforting. I believe that my son is with the Lord and that one day I will see him again. If not, I know that the Lord will erase the memory of him. For there is no sadness or grieving in heaven. As ladylovesJesus said, God is loving and merciful, and always does that which is right.

God is good, all the time! May He send a special blessing for you.
 
I always think of I Corinthians 7:14. There Paul plainly states that the children of the beliver are holy. Now holy people are the ones who populate heaven. May God be forever praised.
 
God loves us all and is fair and just. Im positive your baby is in Heaven. How can we even think that God would not allow a soul that has never had the chance to know Him go to hell?
 
I honestly don't know the answer to your question

But I do know that God is great and loving and tender.

He understands our hurts and anxieties. One of the most beautiful verses in the Bible is right at the end (Revelation 21.4). "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."

Even when our understanding fails us, we can trust in God's goodness in every situation.
 
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I believe the comforting words given to you and friends by other Christians just might have been GOD speaking to you through them. Keep in mind the devil will try to confuse you and make you feel horrible. Ignore that fool. Listen to GOD's comforting words instead.

Just think about this simple thought: do you honestly think GOD would not welcome the baby to Heaven? I just cannot fathom so. It is HIS creation, not ours and what did GOD say after He created the world and everything in it?

GOD said: "It is good" (Genesis 1:12)
 
I agree with what everyone has said here. I am sorry about your loss, I cannot imagine how difficult this much be for you.

I especially agree with what Chad has said. The enemy will use this to drive a wedge between you and God. Take heed to the Holy Spirit. He is sending your friends around to comfort you in this time. He may be speaking through them!

Many Blessings,
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I too am so sorry for your loss. I have lost 4 in miscarriage also. God is Love. God is a merciful God. Many times it testify in the bible that God is a merciful God. The bible says "all souls belong to God". And, "the spirit will return unto God who gave it". So your baby had a least a spirit. It's with God. Until you can prove that the baby is not with God, belive he/she is.
 
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