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What is baptism?

sunilgill_87

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The Greek word translated "baptize" is baptizo, the common Greek term for immerse, submerge or put into. So most English Bibles merely anglicize the word to a slightly different spelling rather than translate it. The important point is that, in the Bible, "baptize" always means immerse.

Other authors of the time write of naval battles in which ships were "baptized" —completely sunk—in the sea. Therefore, it is nonsensical to say one can baptize (immerse or submerge) by pouring or sprinkling. The Bible itself proves that baptism meant immersion. John the Baptist needed "much water" for baptizing (John 3:23). Jesus, when John baptized Him, "came up immediately from the water" (Matthew 3:16). When Philip baptized the eunuch, they "went down into the water" (Acts 8:38). Afterwards, "they came up out of the water" (verse 39).

Why is this important? Because of what baptism represents. Being put into and under water pictures a burial, and rising from the water pictures a resurrection.

Baptism actually pictures three deaths, burials and resurrections. First, baptism symbolizes our faith "that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures" (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

Second, it symbolizes our acknowledgement of the need for our old sinful way of life to be "put to death" and be buried forever (Colossians 3:5; 2:12). And our rising from the water symbolizes our beginning to "walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:3-6). Of course our spiritual character isn't immediately transformed in those few seconds. Baptism is a sign of our lifelong dedication and commitment to that goal.

Third, baptism symbolizes one's faith in the hope of the literal resurrection to come—"that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust" (Acts 24:15).

Baptism: Much more than a ceremony

Symbolism is important, but baptism is much more than symbolism. If you were to ask 100 people who are seeking to be baptized, "Have you ever asked God to forgive you?" probably 99 would say yes. Then ask the 99, "Do you think God answered those prayers and forgave you?" Maybe 98 of them will say yes. Then ask them, "So why be baptized if God has already forgiven you, since Acts 2:38 says that the purpose of baptism is to have your sins forgiven?"

Most people are confused. Even when they realize baptism is a biblical requirement, they think of it as a mere ritual of thanksgiving for God's forgiveness. But Acts 2:38 states that baptism is a required condition for forgiveness. Before forgiveness, God requires this public profession of commitment to Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord (meaning Master —to rule over our lives, Luke 6:46).

Many have misinterpreted 1 John 1:9, which says, "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Most people fail to realize that the New Testament epistles were written primarily to Church members—those who had already been baptized. In the epistles, the pronouns "we" and "us" refer to baptized members; "they" and "them" usually refer to nonmembers.

Therefore, 1 John 1:9 tells us that if a person who has received initial forgiveness through baptism sins after that, he does not need to be baptized again and again. Each subsequent time he sins, he only needs to repent of that sin, confess it to God and ask God's forgiveness—and God will immediately forgive. This is one of the awesome privileges a person has once he has been baptized!

This explains why baptism is so important! God holds each person guilty of every sin he has ever committed until those sins are blotted out at baptism (Acts 3:19; 22:16). At the moment the repentant person is immersed in water, all his past sins are forgiven! What a joy it is to stand clean before God!
 
Do not forget about being baptised with fire. That, my friend, is an interesting one. I reccommend reading up on it, for as Christians we must be refined and made pure.
 
Matthew 3:7 (Whole Chapter)
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?


Matthew 20:22 (Whole Chapter)
But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.


Matthew 20:23 (Whole Chapter)
And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.


Matthew 21:25 (Whole Chapter)
The baptism of John, whence was it? from heaven, or of men? And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say unto us, Why did ye not then believe him?


Mark 1:4 (Whole Chapter)
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.


Mark 10:38 (Whole Chapter)
But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?


Mark 10:39 (Whole Chapter)
And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:


Mark 11:30 (Whole Chapter)
The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.


Luke 3:3 (Whole Chapter)
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins;


Luke 7:29 (Whole Chapter)
And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.


Luke 12:50 (Whole Chapter)
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!


Luke 20:4 (Whole Chapter)
The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men?


Acts 1:22 (Whole Chapter)
Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.


Acts 10:37 (Whole Chapter)
That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;


Acts 13:24 (Whole Chapter)
When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.


Acts 18:25 (Whole Chapter)
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.


Acts 19:3 (Whole Chapter)
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.


Acts 19:4 (Whole Chapter)
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.


Romans 6:4 (Whole Chapter)
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


Ephesians 4:5 (Whole Chapter)
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


Colossians 2:12 (Whole Chapter)
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.


Hebrews 6:2 (Whole Chapter)
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.


1 Peter 3:21 (Whole Chapter)
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 
Symbolism is important, but baptism is much more than symbolism. If you were to ask 100 people who are seeking to be baptized, "Have you ever asked God to forgive you?" probably 99 would say yes. Then ask the 99, "Do you think God answered those prayers and forgave you?" Maybe 98 of them will say yes. Then ask them, "So why be baptized if God has already forgiven you, since Acts 2:38 says that the purpose of baptism is to have your sins forgiven?"

Most people are confused. Even when they realize baptism is a biblical requirement, they think of it as a mere ritual of thanksgiving for God's forgiveness. But Acts 2:38 states that baptism is a required condition for forgiveness. Before forgiveness, God requires this public profession of commitment to Jesus Christ as our Savior and Lord (meaning Master —to rule over our lives, Luke 6:46).



This explains why baptism is so important! God holds each person guilty of every sin he has ever committed until those sins are blotted out at baptism (Acts 3:19; 22:16). At the moment the repentant person is immersed in water, all his past sins are forgiven! What a joy it is to stand clean before God!

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! Bravo for your insight; it's about time. I tire of those who teach that baptism is essentially a ceremony, a Christianized verson of the Mitzvah- an acknowledgement that a person belongs to Christ. I also bristle when I hear people say that baptism is a work, not neccessarily essential for salvation but a sign of good faith. What about the thief on the cross? The influence of John the Baptist was such that the thief had likely already been baptised. Even if he hadnt, the requirement wasnt written (check out the sixteenth and seventeenth verse of Hebrews) and there hadnt yet been the death of the testator- thus the rule had no force.
 
1Corinthians 1:13-17
Was I, Paul, crucified for you? Were any of you baptized in the name of Paul? 14*I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 for now no one can say they were baptized in my name. 16*(Oh yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. I don’t remember baptizing anyone else.) 17 For Christ didn’t send me to baptize, but to preach the Good News—and not with clever speeches and high-sounding ideas, for fear that the cross of Christ would lose its power.
 
Are you saying...?

Are you suggesting that baptism is essential to salvation (in other words, no baptism, no salvation)?

If so, what of the unbaptized thief on the cross, who Jesus assured of salvation? Isn't the sacrifice of Jesus what saves us? I'm not minimizing the importance of baptism, but if someone never gets baptized but trust in Jesus as their Savior, are you saying they are not saved?

My belief about baptism is that it is a PUBLIC declaration of your personal identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I emphasize "PUBLIC", because I don't see it as being for the individual, but for the building up of the Body of Christ.

If someone believes you must be baptized in order to be saved, what do they believe with regards to those who cannot be baptized, for physical or mental reasons?

Now, I believe that if someone is able, but refuses to be baptized, there is an issue of obedience. Whether they are saved or not is not for us to judge; however, their disobedience clearly limits their relationship with the Lord.
 
Yes, in fact. That is what he is saying and that is what I said, baptism is essential for salvation. I already answered the tired line "what about the thief on the cross?" in my post. The 9th chapter of Hebrews (16, 17) attests to the fact that a testament requires the death of the testator in order to be enforced. When Jesus promised that the thief would be with him in Paradise, he had not died, thus the command of the 38th verse of Acts 2 needn't apply. At his death, however, it became enforceable. It is a command.

Paul didn't have to come to baptise because he had others with him who would. Paul's primary function was to preach. We see that played out in many churches today, it is rare that the pastor himself baptizes anyone. To use this as proof that he doesnt believe in it is kinda weak.
 
Dear Suningill,

You are right, it is a joy to stand clean before God, but that does not happen at water baptism, it happens when you place your trust in the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour. For like Abraham of old, 'you have believed God' (concerning the gospel of His Son), and it is counted unto you as righteousness.

We are saved by God's grace, in and through the all-sufficient sacrifice of His beloved Son. We are accepted in the Beloved and presented holy and without blame before Him, because of what He has done, not because of anything that we can do.

The baptism that we were baptized with is 'believers baptism' and it took place at the cross, for,

- when Christ died (we died with Him),
- when He was buried (we were buried with Him),
- when He was quickened (we were also quickened with Him),
- when He was resurrected from the dead ( so were we raised with Him)
- when He ascended into Heaven (we also ascended with Him)
- when He sat down at the right hand of the Father (we also sat down there with Him)

This was all done by the operation of God and it is reckoned unto us by God, 'in Christ Jesus' - when we believe. This is the ONE BAPTISM of Ephesians 4 that we are to 'keep', as part of the 7-fold unity of the Spirit.

It was not achieved by the work of man's hands, but by,
- the will of the Father,
- the work of the Son and
- the witness of the Holy Spirit.

No water anywhere, no symbolism required - Christ is ALL and IN ALL.

The flesh profiteth nothing, all is of the Spirit.

Praise His Holy Name
In Christ
Chris
 
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You are completely ignoring Acts 2.38. That you and others hop all around this passage but never deal with it is reckless, my friend. There is no getting around it. "Repent and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." There is no amount of scriptural arm twisting that you can do to get around this command.

We are saved by grace through faith. The proof of our faith is the works we do. Our faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who died for our sins must manifest itself in the things he commanded us to do, or else it is dead. We can't say we've put our faith in Jesus and not obey his word.
 
My experience flies in the face of that. I was not baptized in water until after I was baptized with the Holy Spirit. I did the water baptism as a sign of obedience, an outward expression of what had already occurred within me.

If I had been hit by a bus on my way to get water baptized, I am fully confident I would have risen to be with our Lord. John the baptist said it plainly:

Matthew 3:11

<sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-23204">11</sup>I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
 
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:



Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,


Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?




Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)



Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of GodGal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.


Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,



Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.



Heb 9:20 Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you


1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
 
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If everyone agreed on this it would be a demonstrable modern day miracle! LOL!


Just my view:

Water baptism is symbolic of my burial, death and ressurection with Christ. No one who just got saved is going to be rejected if he trips, falls and dies on the way to a pool of water.
In the OP it was mentioned that Baptism is immersion, this is correct.

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

As the scripture declares that it was the shedding of the blood that remits my sins:

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Again just my personal view- I believe in obedience to the Word of God and getting baptized is part of that obedience; that puddle of water cannot save you but it is when you are immersed in Christ that salvation is found. Death to self and burial with Christ (typified by immersion) and ressurection with Christ (typified by rising from the water) demonstrate a repentant attitude and a willingness to surrender all.
The Words "in Christ" were spoken times by Paul some 70 times and baptism is an identification (symbolic of accepting the finished work of Christ) with Jesus Christ Himself. It is in this identification that we put on the very righteousness of Christ and are thus able to stand in the presence of our holy heavenly Father.

So is it ritual or is it grace that saves?
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Is there a man amongst you that believes Jesus died for his sins but thought he would persih if died before getting dunked?

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)


Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.


Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Tit 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.


But again this is my just my view and I respect the rights of others to disagree.

Many blessings in His Name,
your brother Larry.
 
Baptism of The Holy Spirit

You are completely ignoring Acts 2.38. That you and others hop all around this passage but never deal with it is reckless, my friend. There is no getting around it. "Repent and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." There is no amount of scriptural arm twisting that you can do to get around this command.

We are saved by grace through faith. The proof of our faith is the works we do. Our faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who died for our sins must manifest itself in the things he commanded us to do, or else it is dead. We can't say we've put our faith in Jesus and not obey his word.

No offense my friend but you are wrong and take Acts 2:38 completely out of context to back up your own" theology of water".

1. Any trained theologist will tell you that Acts is a historical document of that time and is not to be used as a premise for theological assertions.

2. Water baptism of that time was a very common occurrence in Jesus time. It was so symbolic of belief in those days that the people demanded it as much as someone like Peter requiring it. It was symbolic of cleansing before Jesus own blood was shed for that.

Now, in this day, can you be baptised by water and recieve the Holy Spirit at the same time? Absolutely! Can you be dunked in water during a baptism and not recieve the Holy Spirit, you bet...happens all the time! Can you be baptised by the Holy Spirit and not be with in a thousand miles of water, of course!
There is no greater love than that of a man that gives up his life for another! Are you telling me that of all the soldiers in all the wars, that came to Christ on the battle field before dying and, there was no water involed, that they are rotting in Hell right now? Absurd!!!

3. The requirement of water, is that something you do or does God do it for you? Of course, it is a something that man has to do.
And, if you think, because of a few verses that water is a requirement, then you are not living in complete faith of what God has done, God alone has done, at the cross.
At the moment that Jesus died, God ushered in His New Covenant with man.
The Old Covenant of laws that required man to perform certain requirements was abolished said God because it was insufficient. Your water requirement keeps you in bondage to the old law of you being required to perform a task and you are not living according to faith and essentially are telling God that what He has done is not sufficient. You might as well be required to speak in tongues to be saved also.

4.My friend, with all due respect and love: Jesus did it all, his death took away your sins from the sight of God , which is your forgiveness, and His resurrection gives you life and your salvation..... you and your water are left completely out of the equation! And it is not your works but the works that He does through you!!
 
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Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

LISTEN i been baptised both ways! But I know the Spiritual things are greater the flesh type things!

And not everyone gets water baptised!
The way you think? means no one can be saved unless they get water baptized

No one on there dying bed could , nor babies!
Nor many others ! Think about it?

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) !


ITS the BLOOD that saves us not the water!
Water could not save anyone!

Other wise all mankind would be saved ! and all of us take bathes or get wet by rain!

ASK THE HOLY GHOST!
 
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you! Bravo for your insight; it's about time. I tire of those who teach that baptism is essentially a ceremony, a Christianized verson of the Mitzvah- an acknowledgement that a person belongs to Christ. I also bristle when I hear people say that baptism is a work, not neccessarily essential for salvation but a sign of good faith. What about the thief on the cross? The influence of John the Baptist was such that the thief had likely already been baptised. Even if he hadnt, the requirement wasnt written (check out the sixteenth and seventeenth verse of Hebrews) and there hadnt yet been the death of the testator- thus the rule had no force.


So... that's the story you're sticking with?

Lemme get this straight....The thief had likely been baptised already...(pure speculation; no written account of that story to be found anywhere)
But even if he hadn't been,...it doesn't matter,... because he just happened to be lucky enough to slip into that exceptionally narrow window of grace....(or loophole?)
You make Jesus sound like the I.R.S.
... As if He's trying to catch, and toss us all out on a technicality.

Baptism is a wonderful thing..with that, I agree. I was baptised shortly after I received Jesus, but it was not because somebody wrangled me into believing that my salvation was incomplete without it. It was something I naturally wanted to do...and out of a motivation which seems to be more consistent with the nature of Jesus.
 
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No offense my friend but you are wrong and take Acts 2:38 completely out of context to back up your own" theology of water".

1. Any trained theologist will tell you that Acts is a historical document of that time and is not to be used as a premise for theological assertions.
I guess that would entirely depend on where that "trained theologian" was schooled. Those who know not the baptism nor it's power (and some others) certainly do teach that but one cannot paint all students of theology with one brush stroke my friend. I personally know at least a dozen such trained men that would certainly not agree with that statement so I guess that depends on which circle of Christians you are walking in.
2. Water baptism of that time was a very common occurrence in Jesus time. It was so symbolic of belief in those days that the people demanded it as much as someone like Peter requiring it. It was symbolic of cleansing before Jesus own blood was shed for that.
Amen.
Now, in this day, can you be baptised by water and recieve the Holy Spirit at the same time? Absolutely! Can you be dunked in water during a baptism and not recieve the Holy Spirit, you bet...happens all the time! Can you be baptised by the Holy Spirit and not be with in a thousand miles of water, of course!
There is no greater love than that of a man that gives up his life for another! Are you telling me that of all the soldiers in all the wars, that came to Christ on the battle field before dying and, there was no water involed, that they are rotting in Hell right now? Absurd!!!

3. The requirement of water, is that something you do or does God do it for you? Of course, it is a something that man has to do.
And, if you think, because of a few verses that water is a requirement, then you are not living in complete faith of what God has done, God alone has done, at the cross.
At the moment that Jesus died, God ushered in His New Covenant with man.
The Old Covenant of laws that required man to perform certain requirements was abolished said God because it was insufficient. Your water requirement keeps you in bondage to the old law of you being required to perform a task and you are not living according to faith and essentially are telling God that what He has done is not sufficient. You might as well be required to speak in tongues to be saved also.

4.My friend, with all due respect and love: Jesus did it all, his death took away your sins from the sight of God , which is your forgiveness, and His resurrection gives you life and your salvation..... you and your water are left completely out of the equation! And it is not your works but the works that He does through you!!
Amen again!

A good post my friend.
 
baptize or not

Hey, you know what occurs to me as I have read this thread?
Water baptism is a very good thing (actually, I already knew that). If a believer is convicted that they are not saved unless they are dunked, then it is very important that they do it ASAP!

And if they believe it is a public declaration of their identification with the death, burial, and ressurrection of Jesus, not crucial to their salvation, but beneficial to their individual and corporate faith, then they should do it ASAP!

Where's the water???

Now, the other thing that occurs to me is (and I believe this is really the divisive issue) there are those among us who are convinced that they can clearly and precisely define salvation (which is not the work of man at all, but the work of God!). Therein lies inherent danger!

If we can begin to look around us and determine the spiritual state of others, whether they are saved by God, based on our sets of standards and expectations, there are two BIG RED FLAGS that should fly before us:
1. God does what He does HOW He wants to do it. He is not at all obligated to operate wthin our expectations. More often than not, He works in ways completely different than we expect. How, when, and any other query regarding the issue of a person's salvation is between them and God. God knows what it takes to save each one of us, and He knows whether it's real or not. It is not for us to say whether someone is redeemed of the Lord or not.
2. If we are focusing on other people's relationship with the Lord (after all, until you are born again, you have NO relationship with Him), then what does the Lord have to do to bring our focus back to what He wants to deal with us about (in other words, US!). There is an overriding biblical mandate for believers to examine ourselves. We are not able to be the world-changers the Lord has commanded us to be if we are not able to master ourselves, defeating the worst enemy of the faith: religion (which is borne of pride and the desire to control others).

In conclusion (unlike a lot of preachers with whom that phrase has no meaning), Let God be God. He saves. Don't focus on others' spiritual state. Work on your's.
 
JESUS came as a little baby to be the PERFECT Example to each of us We are SAVED by Grace !Not works ! Still We must try to obey our LORD and follow Him in every way !
The effort on our part has Great meaning to our LORD!


Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

ITS All by FAITH and Faith Only works by LOVE!
They Always go hand in hand!
He puts the LOVE in us and HE puts the Faith in us! of course our Faith can grow!

Jas 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

These TRUES tell us MUCH !
 
Baptism

One of the reasons that I got baptised was simply because Jesus did it and He is our greatest model, so if it is good enough for Him to do it's good enough for us to follow suit.
 
One of the reasons that I got baptised was simply because Jesus did it and He is our greatest model, so if it is good enough for Him to do it's good enough for us to follow suit.

And a valid and a noble reason that is, nothing like letting the Lord lead the way!!!!

But, that is not to say, that it is a requirement for your salvation and many believe that.

Those that do believe that, live their spiritual life under the bondage of the Old Testament covenant of the Law, the law of having to do something in order to gain your salvation.

Some actualy believe that you must be water baptised, which is in direct conflict with the New Testament covenant of Grace, that your salvation is through faith, not your works or something you must do. God says that Grace is a gift and is free, if you have to do something, then it is not a gift and not free!
The peace of the Lord to you!
 
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