What is Going On?

[Admon Mikha'el]

So my posts are being deleted...Nobody will tell me why. Nobody tells me what I say that is wrong. Nobody gives me any warning... I've messaged three moderators and get no answer....So, now, I'm wondering how Talk Jesus differs from YouTube or Facebook....Yes, its a privately owned site and the owner administrator has the right to say what he wants on his site...but its only fair to tell a person if they do something wrong....Its a Christian site....but love does not arbitrarily cut people off....So.... what am I to do? I suspect I'll be banned for posting this, but I'm just trying to get answers...Am I wrong?

 

[JerryfromMass]

So my posts are being deleted...Nobody will tell me why. Nobody tells me what I say that is wrong. Nobody gives me any warning... I've messaged three moderators and get no answer....So, now, I'm wondering how Talk Jesus differs from YouTube or Facebook....Yes, its a privately owned site and the owner administrator has the right to say what he wants on his site...but its only fair to tell a person if they do something wrong....Its a Christian site....but love does not arbitrarily cut people off....So.... what am I to do? I suspect I'll be banned for posting this, but I'm just trying to get answers...Am I wrong?

You're not the only one. The moderators deleted 10 of my posts on the "Who Would Kill Cain" thread without any reason. No explanation. Simply deleted. Someone obviously got twisted by my position and flagged all my posts. God's grace is sufficient.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

You're not the only one. The moderators deleted 10 of my posts on the "Who Would Kill Cain" thread without any reason. No explanation. Simply deleted. Someone obviously got twisted by my position and flagged all my posts. God's grace is sufficient.

And that someone has no explanation? That makes very little sense. I've had post deleted in the past because someone did not like the subject of conversatioon....???

 

[JerryfromMass]

And that someone has no explanation? That makes very little sense. I've had post deleted in the past because someone did not like the subject of conversatioon....???

No explanation was given to me.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

may i offer a couple of points for consideration?

First, may i point you here:

Terms and rules

You must agree to these terms and rules before using the site.

www.talkjesus.com

If you re-read it, you will see that nothing has been done that you did not agree to when joining TalkJesus.

Sometimes posts or threads are removed for the purpose of Moderation. In the case of the thread being discussed, some posts were removed as they were replies to other posts that were removed for moderation. It would not make much sense to read replies that reference posts that have been removed.

Usually Members are given at least some form of notice. (I confess that i sometimes do not give reasons. )
If content is removed for Moderation, it can take time for Staff to get together on the matter and come to any decisions.

May i offer a question?***
Over the years members have joined and stayed active or dwindled away or left. Some have been 'banned' from engaging in the activities of TalkJesus.
We, the staff, have tried to keep TalkJesus what it is and sometimes we must make decisions that some do not agree with, in order to keep things as you see it. We certainly acknowledge that Members have been extremely helpful in all this and without everyone doing their bit, TalkJesus would not be what it is today.
We don't like to 'compare' ourselves with other sites, but i would like to point out that perhaps one of the reasons people join our humble little forum, is because it is not a place where anything goes and it is a safe place for fellowship of those who decide to join.
So, may i ask? *** Why did you join TalkJesus? [you DO NOT have to answer! probably best you don't] It is a question asked for you to think about.
Did you join because you liked what you saw and if so, please remember that it is this way because of the reasons already given.

May i ask that if you have any concerns, please contact the Moderators via Conversation {PM} and if you are not happy with decisions made by Moderators, you can contact the Administrator with your concerns.
Posting threads etc about the Moderation here at TalkJesus is not necessary.

Also, please keep in mind, if you do PM a Moderator or Administrator, to exercise patience regarding getting a reply.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Greetings,

may i offer a couple of points for consideration?

First, may i point you here:

Terms and rules

You must agree to these terms and rules before using the site.

www.talkjesus.com

If you re-read it, you will see that nothing has been done that you did not agree to when joining TalkJesus.

Sometimes posts or threads are removed for the purpose of Moderation. In the case of the thread being discussed, some posts were removed as they were replies to other posts that were removed for moderation. It would not make much sense to read replies that reference posts that have been removed.

Usually Members are given at least some form of notice. (I confess that i sometimes do not give reasons. )
If content is removed for Moderation, it can take time for Staff to get together on the matter and come to any decisions.

May i offer a question?***
Over the years members have joined and stayed active or dwindled away or left. Some have been 'banned' from engaging in the activities of TalkJesus.
We, the staff, have tried to keep TalkJesus what it is and sometimes we must make decisions that some do not agree with, in order to keep things as you see it. We certainly acknowledge that Members have been extremely helpful in all this and without everyone doing their bit, TalkJesus would not be what it is today.
We don't like to 'compare' ourselves with other sites, but i would like to point out that perhaps one of the reasons people join our humble little forum, is because it is not a place where anything goes and it is a safe place for fellowship of those who decide to join.
So, may i ask? *** Why did you join TalkJesus? [you DO NOT have to answer! probably best you don't] It is a question asked for you to think about.
Did you join because you liked what you saw and if so, please remember that it is this way because of the reasons already given.

May i ask that if you have any concerns, please contact the Moderators via Conversation {PM} and if you are not happy with decisions made by Moderators, you can contact the Administrator with your concerns.
Posting threads etc about the Moderation here at TalkJesus is not necessary.

Also, please keep in mind, if you do PM a Moderator or Administrator, to exercise patience regarding getting a reply.


Bless you ....><>

I for one did not post anything untoward...unloving or mean... I did ask three mods what happened with no response...If somebody is concerned as to why a post is deleted its only good manners to answer the question esp if its asked politely... I am a firm believer in protocol...so....

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I for one did not post anything untoward...unloving or mean... I did ask three mods what happened with no response...If somebody is concerned as to why a post is deleted its only good manners to answer the question esp if its asked politely... I am a firm believer in protocol...so....

it is also good manners to exercise patience my friend. I noticed that it was less that 30 minutes after you PMed me that you posted this thread.

Please understand that while Moderators are available, we do have limitations as to how many hours and when they might be, that we can be here and with that, please always try to remember that we Moderators often have more that one thing we need to do here.

you will find that you have received a PM now, which was being written and sent while you hastily replied here.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Brad Huber]

I for one did not post anything untoward...unloving or mean... I did ask three mods what happened with no response...If somebody is concerned as to why a post is deleted its only good manners to answer the question esp if its asked politely... I am a firm believer in protocol...so....

I am no moderator here, but I must give a bit of advise on the matter. I used to be a moderator on another christian website that is no longer in operation. Moderators are people just like us all. Typically we are not prone to raves and angry words, because we know we must try not to be hypocrites. And I have a real life, a real job, a wife that deserves time with me, and other online activities, I stop to smell the roses, sit on the porch with my wife, drink coffee or milk and hot baked goods (Yum). So when I did moderate, I would jump through the typical hoops to eradicate the whole thread sometimes, sometimes just blank out certain words, or certain posts. And as already said, I often deleted posts that refered to the ones that I truly wanted gone. And I didnt always have time to send pm to everyone involved, the moderation is more important than making sure that no feelings are hurt, and sometimes pm's to me as moderator took me 2 days to respond to. I havent a clue what went on on this moderation, and thats not important to me, just trying to give someone a clue to how hard and thankless a moderators job can be.

 

[PloughBoy]

LOL, welcome to the club! I am always in the dog house. But i know, when i am on the Line, so I have gave them permission to delete me! You see, i have been kinda kind. But you two, get me close to the line! You just don't know, i can get boisterous, But you two be flapping wings like you in the jungle. But they have been kind to you two! LOL! For me and "Luther" I do believe we are related! LOL! I do have a way with words, i will bring the demons out of you! And make you grow Horns! I do have a weakness! I ain't perfect yet, but i am trying to get there! especially with Jerry.

 

[Br. Bear]

I stop to smell the roses

Glad we have something in common, Brad!
But even roses have thorns to be wary of.


Bless you ....><>

 

[Brother-Paul]

What ever we do in this life, including accepting Jesus as our Saviour, there will always be, laws, commands and rules.

Any form of rule or command is created for one reason, to create an acceptable balance for those who wish to take part.

Some posts are removed, some removed for a period, some even edited. I/we accepted that in the T&C's when joining.

When we accept Jesus, we accept all God's Word, we accept God's T&C's.

Shalom

 

[Christ4Ever]

So my posts are being deleted...Nobody will tell me why. Nobody tells me what I say that is wrong. Nobody gives me any warning... I've messaged three moderators and get no answer....So, now, I'm wondering how Talk Jesus differs from YouTube or Facebook....Yes, its a privately owned site and the owner administrator has the right to say what he wants on his site...but its only fair to tell a person if they do something wrong....Its a Christian site....but love does not arbitrarily cut people off....So.... what am I to do? I suspect I'll be banned for posting this, but I'm just trying to get answers...Am I wrong?

Dear Brother,
Having postings deleted or moderated is something that happens from time to time. The reasons why vary. That it is not pleasing to everyone when corrections are done goes without saying. No one wants to feel like they are the focal point of the authorities. Kind of like being stopped by the Police while we are driving. So, many questions run through our mind when it happens. I know, because it happened to me as well before I became a Moderator and even as a Moderator! Most have gone through this experience of having a post corrected or deleted, and don't even realize that it has happened! Normally changes happen when postings are edited, or even moved. Threads are cleaned up to make for smoother reading/understanding. The darker side is that we also have had Members join who have added writings that are Cultish in nature. However, all is done by Staff to help Talk Jesus, whose purpose is to Glorify God, our Lord and Savior, and provide a place for the Body of Christ to come for rest (Oasis), break bread, and to do as Scripture says "Iron Sharpens Iron"!

We realize that many like you write what we do because we are prompted by the Holy Spirit, and because of this we feel slighted/confused when what is written is not readily accepted by what we believe is a Christian Site run by Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus. If just understanding the tasks of what Moderators are trying to do, takes too long, or lacks sufficient understanding. Think of it like the Apocrypha where an additional 80 books are included, but only 66 are acknowledged as Canon by most churches. This is not to start a discussion on the right or wrong of this. It's to show that not everyone, no matter how Spirit filled you are in communicating what has been laid upon your Spirit to write, will be accepted. That is life, and also being a Member on Talk Jesus. Brother Bear has provided you a link to the Terms and rules you agreed to abide by when you joined. Sadly, what any rule that is put in place lacks, is how one comes to terms (no pun intended) when we run afoul of such rules.

All I can say is that you should not take it personally though it may feel that way. Also, realize as I've pointed out that you are not the first this has happened to, and surely as imperfect as any of us are who are Members now, and future Members; it will happen again. Patience is the order of the day for us as believers, while we wait the return of our Lord & Savior Jesus. So, I ask that we hold to as Ephesians 4:2 says "with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," . Understanding that as Moderators, we would desire that such actions that are taken on any thread were never necessary.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

may i add to what Nick posted?

I am responsible for all this trouble caused, as i obviously did not put the effort in to explain carefully and gently to all concerned my reasons for removing the posts...

and i appologise for any troubled concern it has caused anyone, including my fellow Moderators.

Please be patient with me, folks.... and please forgive me.


Jesus is Lord


Bless you ....><>

 

[Reba1]

Moderators are like baseball umpires, always wrong to one side or the other. Most members would be surprised to see how quickly forums hit the dumps without moderation. The escalation of egos can be damaging to the site and the Christian message.
We can all read here content we disagree with. Just as there is not a perfect little church down the street, Why? because they consist of people, you will never find `your perfect ` forum.
Having been a moderator/admin for a number of years it is way too often thankless. Working to find the balance between the rules or guidelines and the members is ongoing. Maybe praying for the moderators while putting a guard before my mouth is the best way to handle the parts I don't care for.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Moderators are like baseball umpires, always wrong to one side or the other. Most members would be surprised to see how quickly forums hit the dumps without moderation. The escalation of egos can be damaging to the site and the Christian message.
We can all read here content we disagree with. Just as there is not a perfect little church down the street, Why? because they consist of people, you will never find `your perfect ` forum.
Having been a moderator/admin for a number of years it is way too often thankless. Working to find the balance between the rules or guidelines and the members is ongoing. Maybe praying for the moderators while putting a guard before my mouth is the best way to handle the parts I don't care for.

Amen. Prayers for all - moderators and members alike. May we all be reminded that though one may be a toe and another an earlobe and yet another an eyelid and yet another a hair follicle, etc. etc., that we are all part of one body - The Body of Christ our Living Hope. Amen.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Amen. Prayers for all - moderators and members alike. May we all be reminded that though one may be a toe and another an earlobe and yet another an eyelid and yet another a hair follicle, etc. etc., that we are all part of one body - The Body of Christ our Living Hope. Amen.

Amen to that \o/

 

[Brother-Paul]

Moderators are like baseball umpires, always wrong to one side or the other. Most members would be surprised to see how quickly forums hit the dumps without moderation. The escalation of egos can be damaging to the site and the Christian message.
We can all read here content we disagree with. Just as there is not a perfect little church down the street, Why? because they consist of people, you will never find `your perfect ` forum.
Having been a moderator/admin for a number of years it is way too often thankless. Working to find the balance between the rules or guidelines and the members is ongoing. Maybe praying for the moderators while putting a guard before my mouth is the best way to handle the parts I don't care for.

Greetings @Reba1

When two or three come together in Jesus Name, He says He is there in the midst of them.

As we know this is two or three, born again from above souls.

The ekklesia is the born again souls, where ever they are, in a place of worship, on a forum, in a field, in a barn or small shed, the place doesn't matter where.

Shalom

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Dear Brother,
Having postings deleted or moderated is something that happens from time to time. The reasons why vary. That it is not pleasing to everyone when corrections are done goes without saying. No one wants to feel like they are the focal point of the authorities. Kind of like being stopped by the Police while we are driving. So, many questions run through our mind when it happens. I know, because it happened to me as well before I became a Moderator and even as a Moderator! Most have gone through this experience of having a post corrected or deleted, and don't even realize that it has happened! Normally changes happen when postings are edited, or even moved. Threads are cleaned up to make for smoother reading/understanding. The darker side is that we also have had Members join who have added writings that are Cultish in nature. However, all is done by Staff to help Talk Jesus, whose purpose is to Glorify God, our Lord and Savior, and provide a place for the Body of Christ to come for rest (Oasis), break bread, and to do as Scripture says "Iron Sharpens Iron"!

We realize that many like you write what we do because we are prompted by the Holy Spirit, and because of this we feel slighted/confused when what is written is not readily accepted by what we believe is a Christian Site run by Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus. If just understanding the tasks of what Moderators are trying to do, takes too long, or lacks sufficient understanding. Think of it like the Apocrypha where an additional 80 books are included, but only 66 are acknowledged as Canon by most churches. This is not to start a discussion on the right or wrong of this. It's to show that not everyone, no matter how Spirit filled you are in communicating what has been laid upon your Spirit to write, will be accepted. That is life, and also being a Member on Talk Jesus. Brother Bear has provided you a link to the Terms and rules you agreed to abide by when you joined. Sadly, what any rule that is put in place lacks, is how one comes to terms (no pun intended) when we run afoul of such rules.

All I can say is that you should not take it personally though it may feel that way. Also, realize as I've pointed out that you are not the first this has happened to, and surely as imperfect as any of us are who are Members now, and future Members; it will happen again. Patience is the order of the day for us as believers, while we wait the return of our Lord & Savior Jesus. So, I ask that we hold to as Ephesians 4:2 says "with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love," . Understanding that as Moderators, we would desire that such actions that are taken on any thread were never necessary.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
\o/
<><

Nick you do realize that for someone who speaks direct and to the point may feel slighted by the moderators because of the way we are choked in our expression of our ideas? That does not matter? If the Holy Spirit is really guiding this then no Christian would feel slighted because He knows how its done properly. I'm sorry Nick...I cannot see the Holy Spirit in this....You yourself have deleted some of my posts simply because you do not like the subject. You know and advise that if one does not like what is being said, or the subject being discussed, one can simply ignore that thread....That too is diplomatic and gentle.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Greetings,

may i add to what Nick posted?

I am responsible for all this trouble caused, as i obviously did not put the effort in to explain carefully and gently to all concerned my reasons for removing the posts...

and i appologise for any troubled concern it has caused anyone, including my fellow Moderators.

Please be patient with me, folks.... and please forgive me.


Jesus is Lord


Bless you ....><>

Mr Bear I am not angry at anybody...This is somewhat frustrating to me becaue I rarely get to interact with people anymore. That's all...I try to say what I have to say in a direct way because that is my way...If people are offended by how I speak or what I say, that's the human condition. Nobody agrees 100% with anybody...but one chooses to be offended. One chooses to be offended and we are told not to take offense. I have something to say is all. I do try to be diplomatic, I think that's what you are looking for. Am I correct? Diplomacy has been described by some famous guy, I forget who, as "the art of telling someone to go to hell, and when he is done, the person is looking forward to the trip" Well I'm not telling anybody to go to hell here, and I'm not condemning anybody here...I'm simply trying to speak my piece, about something I know something about....
So, there is nothing to forgive, you and I are totally cool as far as I'm concerned...Hugs on you Mr Bear. and God bless you.....I'm praying for your vision to improve.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

What ever we do in this life, including accepting Jesus as our Saviour, there will always be, laws, commands and rules.

Any form of rule or command is created for one reason, to create an acceptable balance for those who wish to take part.

Some posts are removed, some removed for a period, some even edited. I/we accepted that in the T&C's when joining.

When we accept Jesus, we accept all God's Word, we accept God's T&C's.

Shalom

Brother I agree...but our rules should be based on the Word not on the world. PC is not in the Word.