What Is HELL ?

[Samson2020]

No, that is not what I asked.

Most people are not mentally competent until they are given the Holy Ghost. Kinda like a light switch goes on and all their sin is washed away and they know that they have just experienced the
best thing that ever happened to them in their entire life. They usually will be crying off and on for several days as waves of love from the Lord wash over them from time to time, as well as
remembrance of the things they have been forgiven of comes to mind and their thankfulness for the mercy shown to them overwhelms the soul.

But none of that takes place until the Father, who shows mercy, gives them the faith to believe.
He has to act first in order for unregenerate man to grab hold of what he has been apprehended for as Paul has said.

This will eventually happen for all as Romans 11:32 states "For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them ALL." Most would ask why at this point.
The simple answer is because of what Jesus did. Romans 5:18, not any works of men as we know it doesn't work that way, "lest any man should boast."
Justification unto life is a GIFT. Romans 5:18 again.

 

[Samson2020]

No, as these are not considered the most accurate, but even if I open my KJV lexicons for lets say your first verse here. Deut 32:22; what is the actual word in Hebrew here?

sheol. Not hades.

Reread Butch5's post #7 its most accurate. Sheol and hades simply refer to the grave.

 

[B-A-C]

Reread Butch5's post #7 its most accurate. Sheol and hades simply refer to the grave.

Technically true, but everyone goes to the grave, well the rapture, second coming might be an exception, but you know what I mean.
But although everyone goes to the grave (sheol) not everyone goes to the hades side of sheol.

Luke 16:22; “Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23; “In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.

Both the poor man (Lazarus) and the rich man died about the same time. They both went to Sheol.
But only one went to Hades.

 

[Samson2020]

Technically true, but everyone goes to the grave, well the rapture, second coming might be an exception, but you know what I mean.
But although everyone goes to the grave (sheol) not everyone goes to the hades side of sheol.



Well Sheol is a Hebrew word. The Greek translated that word as Hades. This is why the KJV and NKJV translations from the Greek use the word Hell in the OLD and New testament
from what i've encountered.
None the less All enemies will be placed under the feet of Jesus, thus whether you say Sheol, Hades, Hell etc...they will no longer exist at some point, That being the
dispensation of the fullness of TIMES spoken of in Ephesians 1:10.
Hades, by the way, is also the name of the Greek god of the underworld. So its not too hard to see why Hades would have been used in Greek translations.

But no matter for all will be under Jesus' feet when all is said and done, and the works that were finished before the foundation of the world are completed in/on the world.

Peace

 

[Samson2020]

One last thing to consider in the Abraham/Lazarus depiction.
When Jesus was saying these things everyone, including Himself, was under Old Testament law, as the New Testament was not yet established. So what He said was true,
but it changed when He gave Himself a ransom for ALL, "to be testified in due time".

In rightly dividing the word of God, it is sometimes extremely difficult to remember was this Old testament or New testament? Was the Old in force still? Or had the New been established?
And what things changed because of the establishment of the New?

As a child(spiritually speaking) I found myself being pulled to the side of wanting to keep the law, but once I finally understood that no man is justified by it, it became of no value, as I had
already been justified by the shed blood of Jesus, and nothing I could ever do would top that.

 

[B-A-C]

Eph 4:8; Therefore it says, “When He ascended on high, He led captive a host of captives,And He gave gifts to men.”
Eph 4:9; (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10; He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)

A major doctrine of Christianity says that Jesus went to sheol, but He didn't stay long.
(Verses 9 and 10 are not in many of the original manuscripts and are added by the translators)
However, as there are no "captives" in heaven, and Jesus led the captives to heaven, where did they come from?
These were the saints of the old testament that couldn't go to heaven yet, ( Jesus hadn't redeemed anyone yet )

John 3:13; No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

No one had gone to heaven before this time (except Jesus, and possibly Enoch and Elijah)
Now I could stop here, but many take the following passage to say Jesus went to hell/hades as well.

Col 2:14; having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
Col 2:15; When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

The thought here is, Jesus went to hell and disarmed the rulers and authorities there. Then He paraded through hell and said you guys are no longer in charge here.
I have the keys to hell now.

Rev 1:18; and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

But of course this didn't happen until after the crucifixion.

Matt 28:18; And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

 

[B-A-C]

On a different note:

Some people believe sheol/hades is simply a place devoid of God. Yet the Bible says God is in sheol.

Psa 139:8; If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

Even the lake of fire is in the presence of Jesus.

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

 

[Samson2020]

Eph 4:8; Therefore it says, “When He ascended on high, He led captive a host of captives,And He gave gifts to men.”
Eph 4:9; (Now this expression, “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the lower parts of the earth?
Eph 4:10; He who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He might fill all things.)

A major doctrine of Christianity says that Jesus went to sheol, but He didn't stay long.
(Verses 9 and 10 are not in many of the original manuscripts and are added by the translators)
However, as there are no "captives" in heaven, and Jesus led the captives to heaven, where did they come from?
These were the saints of the old testament that couldn't go to heaven yet, ( Jesus hadn't redeemed anyone yet )

John 3:13; No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man.

No one had gone to heaven before this time (except Jesus, and possibly Enoch and Elijah)
Now I could stop here, but many take the following passage to say Jesus went to hell/hades as well.

2Cor 2:14; having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
2Cor 2:15; When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

The thought here is, Jesus went to hell and disarmed the rulers and authorities there. Then He paraded through hell and said you guys are no longer in charge here.
I have the keys to hell now.

Rev 1:18; and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

But of course this didn't happen until after the crucifixion.

Matt 28:18; And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

I would only disagree on one point. That being that in order to see the kingdom one must be born again spiritually. That not so sure happens for dead folk. But in order to
enter the kingdom it requires much tribulation. Not too sure about any tribulation for the dead.
That said there is a second death period where some ( a group) carved out by God will see the kingdom, be born again, and eventually enter in through the similar much tribulation that we
who are striving to enter now, suffer through.
This is why the beast, the false prophet, death, the grave etc... are tossed into the lake of fire for their maturation during the second death. Consider it a crucible for the second born sons.
We being the first born sons. and Jesus the first born Son.
Most never will see these things as they are part of the hidden manna and they are not allowed to see it until they overcome whatever issue must be overcome to receive that reward.
Similar to walking to town then sitting down under a shade tree half way there and saying I'm good right here, I like this place so I'm gonna stay for who knows how long.

You see hidden away in the Old Testament are clues that are not even written about in the New. One such example would be that Jesus has seed. Has to be spiritual seed.
And that seed of His also has seed which is a spiritual seed as well. This cannot happen until after the 1000 yr reign. Inside the Bible where we are told that eye hath not seen nor ear heard the things that God hath prepared for them that love Him. Paraphrased a bit. So in knowing that nothing shall be impossible to us according to Jesus, is it possible that we who are
the first born sons, whom received of Jesus' overcoming spirit, are able to pass this along to another group? Keep in mind that it is the Spirit of God that makes one born again spiritually
but the overcoming of the world is done because one has received a seed of life from another overcoming spirit namely Jesus Himself. God did not need to overcome the world. Jesus,
for maturity and perfectings sake did. This is why we are referred to as His seed, but still sons of God for all who are partakers in the kingdom are born of Gods Spirit, including Jesus.
The really hard to swallow part is that what is termed our seed also has seed suggesting even a third death period.
But why talk about second or third death periods while still in the first? Because of the reward. No greater love hath any man than to lay down his life for his friends. This is what Jesus did
and we see His reward in being able to give life to those whom the Father has given Him. He tells us that we shall sit in His throne with Him if we overcome just as He overcame and
is sit down in His Fathers throne. Is it possible that one day we who will be called kings and priests unto God shall give of the live that we have received to others. Bible suggests
just that, but it cannot happen until the beginning of the second death period.

Hope to not gone too far astray but the really good stuff is great once it's revealed.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Sheol is the lower parts of the earth, it contains both Hades and Paradise, but it is not Hades.
Both the wicked and righteous went to Sheol, only the wicked go to the hades side of sheol, and only the righteous went to he paradise/Abraham's Bosom side of Sheol.

B-A-C:

Sheol, Hades, and Hell all mean the same thing, namely: mankind's common GRAVE.

Alter2Ego

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"That people may know that you, whose name is JEHOVAH, you alone are the Most High over all the earth." ~ Psalms 83:18

 

[rstrats]

But even those who don't, still want what they want, and they want it now.

Even though they believe - are convinced that they will be tortured day and night for eternity? You actually know sane people who have given you that answer?

 

[B-A-C]

Even though they believe - are convinced that they will be tortured day and night for eternity? You actually know sane people who have given you that answer?

Was Jesus sane?

Matt 7:21; "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
Matt 7:22; "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
Matt 7:23; "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

Would you say these believe who Jesus "Lord" believe in Him?

Is Oprah sane? ( perhaps debatable) but her opinions below, are similar to what I have encountered from others.

 

[TheWordIsOne]

Mark 8:36-37 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?
Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?

Eccl 1:3-11 (NKJV) What profit has a man from all his labor In which he toils under the sun?
One generation passes away, and another generation comes, But the earth abides forever.
The sun also rises, and the sun goes down, And hastens to the place where it arose.
The wind goes toward the south, And turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit.
All the rivers run into the sea, Yet the sea is not full; To the place from which the rivers come, there they return again.
All things are full of labor; Man cannot express it. The eye is not satisfied with seeing, Nor the ear filled with hearing.
That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there anything of which it may be said, "See, this is new"? It has already been in ancient times before us.
There is no remembrance of former things, Nor will there be any remembrance of things that are to come By those who will come after.

Psalms 88:10-12 Will You work wonders for the dead? Shall the dead arise and praise You? Selah
Shall Your lovingkindness be declared in the grave? Or Your faithfulness in the place of destruction?
Shall Your wonders be known in the dark? And Your righteousness in the land of forgetfulness?

Isaiah 24:15-19 Therefore glorify the Lord in the dawning light, The name of the Lord God of Israel in the coastlands of the sea.
From the ends of the earth, we have heard songs: "Glory to the righteous!" But I said, "I am ruined, ruined! Woe to me! The treacherous dealers have dealt treacherously, Indeed, the treacherous dealers have dealt very treacherously."
Fear and the pit and the snare Are upon you, O inhabitant of the earth.
And it shall be That he who flees from the noise of the fear Shall fall into the pit, And he who comes up from the midst of the pit Shall be caught in the snare; For the windows from on high are open, And the foundations of the earth are shaken.
The earth is violently broken, The earth is split open, The earth is shaken exceedingly.

Jer 20:10-11 For I heard many mocking: "Fear on every side!" "Report," they say, "and we will report it!" All my acquaintances watched for my stumbling, saying, "Perhaps he can be induced; Then we will prevail against him, And we will take our revenge on him."
But the Lord is with me as a mighty, awesome One. Therefore, my persecutors will stumble, and will not prevail. They will be greatly ashamed, for they will not prosper. Their everlasting confusion will never be forgotten.

 

[rstrats]

Was Jesus sane?

I see no Biblical reason to think that He wasn't. What's your point?

 

[First and the Last]

What about:

Abraham's Bosom is a term found in a parable told by Jesus in Luke 16:19-31. It describes a place of comfort or paradise where the righteous dead went before Jesus' resurrection and ascension. In the parable, it contrasts with a place of torment where the rich man finds himself after death.

From a theological perspective, Abraham's Bosom is often understood as a temporary dwelling place for the righteous dead before the work of redemption by Jesus Christ. It's seen as a place of rest and comfort, awaiting the fulfillment of God's plan for salvation through Christ.

In Christian theology, Abraham's Bosom is sometimes associated with the concept of Paradise or the righteous compartment of Hades/Sheol. After Jesus' death and resurrection, the righteous dead are believed to have been released from this temporary state and brought into the presence of God in heaven (2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23).

Understanding Abraham's Bosom underscores the biblical teaching of God's justice and provision for the righteous, as well as the need for redemption through Jesus Christ for all humankind.

 

[Butch5]

What about:

Abraham's Bosom is a term found in a parable told by Jesus in Luke 16:19-31. It describes a place of comfort or paradise where the righteous dead went before Jesus' resurrection and ascension. In the parable, it contrasts with a place of torment where the rich man finds himself after death.

From a theological perspective, Abraham's Bosom is often understood as a temporary dwelling place for the righteous dead before the work of redemption by Jesus Christ. It's seen as a place of rest and comfort, awaiting the fulfillment of God's plan for salvation through Christ.

In Christian theology, Abraham's Bosom is sometimes associated with the concept of Paradise or the righteous compartment of Hades/Sheol. After Jesus' death and resurrection, the righteous dead are believed to have been released from this temporary state and brought into the presence of God in heaven (2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:23).

Understanding Abraham's Bosom underscores the biblical teaching of God's justice and provision for the righteous, as well as the need for redemption through Jesus Christ for all humankind.

Abraham's bosom is a man's chest.

 

[MedicBravo]

Jesus spoke more about Hell than anyone and it's not just "separation from God and knowing He exists 100%".

 

[Sue D.]

@Butch5 -- looking at your post #35 -- where do you get That information from.

 

[Butch5]

@Butch5 -- looking at your post #35 -- where do you get That information from.

A boson is a chest. Here's the first mention of Abrahams bosom.

And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes:

The Holy Bible: King James Version

Sarai's concubine was in Abraham's bosom. I doubt that she was somewhere in the center of earth. She was actually quite alive. She conceived by being in Abraham's bosom. Obviously what is meant here is that she was in a close embrace with Abraham.

Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.

The Holy Bible: King James Version.

What was he leaning on?

John tells us that Jesus is in the bosom of the Father.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

The Holy Bible: King James Version.

Scriputre is full of passages that speak of one's bosom. It's one's own body. It's not some ace people go when they die. Why would we take this one single verse in Luke and completely change the definition of bosom? The only reason one would do so is to make Scrioture fit with preconceived ideas.

 

[Curtis]

 

[Butch5]

He holds to Platonic Dualism. Why would we think his take hell would be any different. It's funny that people say Jesus talked more about hell than Heaven. Jesus never spoke of hell. Hell is an English word. Jesus spoke of Gehenna and Hades. Neither of which are a place of Eternal torment. The concept of people being tortured forever in fire is a pagan doctrine, not a Biblical one.