What Is Wrong Between Charismatics and Catholic Charismatics?

[JesusIs4Me]

What is wrong between Charismatics and Catholic Charismatics?

I am not sure all Charismatics say this, but I had heard it several times in my life, and the last time, a pastor said that all Catholics are going to hell. Then I point out that there is such a thing as a Catholic Charismatic Church and they speak in tongues too, and he changed his tune, saying that maybe some of them are saved.

My problem about their shared tongues is that " if " the Holy Spirit is really using tongues for self edification ( which 2 Timothy 2:15-16 KJV reproves ) or for the Holy Spirit to utter His intercessions by ( which I don't believe that because of John 16:13 for why even His groanings are silent as per Romans 8:26 KJV ) how come in all that time, neither the Charismatics have been reproved for thinking Catholics are going to hell nor have the Catholic Charismatics have been reproved of their dead works of Catholicism?

So then I have to discern that spirit they had received apart from salvation that came with evidence of tongues can not be have been the Holy Spirit when He was already in them since their salvation at the calling of the gospel ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 KJV ) and therefore that tongue is not of Him at all as no lie can be of the truth for all that time that tongue has been operating as supposedly coming from Him and yet grossly ignoring reproving them of their iniquities.

Can anyone believe that the Holy Spirit enjoys being grieved? Ephesians 4:30 KJV Then I doubt the Lord would ignore the silent grievings of the Holy Spirit since He knows His mind as per Romans 8:27 KJV .

We have His written words in the KJV to discern good and evil by and because of the many modern Bible versions when they are not all saying the same thing as the KJV, it is no wonder that faith is hard to find in these latter days where tongues for private use are all the rage.

It is not that stretch of the imagination that tongues as found in world's religions, the occults, and cults in Christianity, will be the unifying factor for the one world church for the coming great tribulation. except by that time, those unrepentant saints that have gone astray that gets left behind will be fooled no longer as those with His seal that survive the calamity of fire will be persecuted to death during the great tribulation as He is faithful to keep the souls of His unrepentant saints that are to suffer being left behind. Though they may suffer a physical death, their spirits will be present with the Lord in Heaven, awaiting their resurrection at a later time for missing out on the first fruit of the resurrection at the rapture event.

As it is, can anyone see what is wrong with this picture?

 

[Bendito]

What is wrong between Charismatics and Catholic Charismatics?

I am not sure all Charismatics say this, but I had heard it several times in my life, and the last time, a pastor said that all Catholics are going to hell. Then I point out that there is such a thing as a Catholic Charismatic Church and they speak in tongues too, and he changed his tune, saying that maybe some of them are saved.

My problem about their shared tongues is that " if " the Holy Spirit is really using tongues for self edification ( which 2 Timothy 2:15-16 KJV reproves ) or for the Holy Spirit to utter His intercessions by ( which I don't believe that because of John 16:13 for why even His groanings are silent as per Romans 8:26 KJV ) how come in all that time, neither the Charismatics have been reproved for thinking Catholics are going to hell nor have the Catholic Charismatics have been reproved of their dead works of Catholicism?

So then I have to discern that spirit they had received apart from salvation that came with evidence of tongues can not be have been the Holy Spirit when He was already in them since their salvation at the calling of the gospel ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13-15 KJV ) and therefore that tongue is not of Him at all as no lie can be of the truth for all that time that tongue has been operating as supposedly coming from Him and yet grossly ignoring reproving them of their iniquities.

Can anyone believe that the Holy Spirit enjoys being grieved? Ephesians 4:30 KJV Then I doubt the Lord would ignore the silent grievings of the Holy Spirit since He knows His mind as per Romans 8:27 KJV .

We have His written words in the KJV to discern good and evil by and because of the many modern Bible versions when they are not all saying the same thing as the KJV, it is no wonder that faith is hard to find in these latter days where tongues for private use are all the rage.

It is not that stretch of the imagination that tongues as found in world's religions, the occults, and cults in Christianity, will be the unifying factor for the one world church for the coming great tribulation. except by that time, those unrepentant saints that have gone astray that gets left behind will be fooled no longer as those with His seal that survive the calamity of fire will be persecuted to death during the great tribulation as He is faithful to keep the souls of His unrepentant saints that are to suffer being left behind. Though they may suffer a physical death, their spirits will be present with the Lord in Heaven, awaiting their resurrection at a later time for missing out on the first fruit of the resurrection at the rapture event.

As it is, can anyone see what is wrong with this picture?

Yup, Sectarianism is sin. With all its 'denominationalism' the church sins.

 

[JesusIs4Me]

Yup, Sectarianism is sin. With all its 'denominationalism' the church sins.

Given that there was only 7 churches addressed in the Book of Revelation, it stands to reason that churches will have a different walk with the Lord for which why division would come; five churches being in error that they needed to repent of while 2 are exhorted to continue and hold fast, being one of the 2 are going through persecution unto death.

In what you have addressed though, I can understand how churches in the latter days are not in unity because what divides are seen as iniquity for why they are divided and so unity in spite of having fellowship with works of darkness would be sin.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.

Ephesians 5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. 11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.

2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

 

[B-A-C]

Yup, Sectarianism is sin. With all its 'denominationalism' the church sins.

I agree up to a point. But even this can go too far.

2 Jn 1:8; Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward.
2 Jn 1:9; Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
2 Jn 1:10; If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
2 Jn 1:11; for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.

2 Cor 6:14; Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
2 Cor 6:15; Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?