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When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?

envolve

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The challenge presented here is are you able to overturn this evidence for when Jesus said He would return?

Jesus said when Israel becomes a nation ("when his branch is yet tender," Matt. 24.32b) and enters Jerusalem ("and putteth forth leaves," v.32c), you can know the season ("ye know that summer is nigh," v.32d) when He returns even the very day ("when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, right at the door," v.33).

Don't let anyone lead you astray and tell you otherwise who will misuse certain verses to misguide you saying you can't know. Satan says you can't now "right at the door." For example, Matt. 24.36 is referring to the end of the world (v.35) not to when Jesus returns. Verse 35 and 36 are parenthetical to what Jesus is talking about and should be treated as one sentence. Jesus is saying His word does not change. Not even the end of the world will change it.

Certainly, Jesus at the right hand of the Father knows now when He will return and imparts this to us. He will return in Person with 10,000 of His saints (Jude 14,15) who will reign 1000 years with a "rod of iron" (Rev. 2.27, 12.5, 19.15) "over the nations" (2.26) after which comes the end of the world. So we can know the day just not the hour (v.42 KJV, DBY) when Jesus returns. However, we can know neither the day nor the hour when the world ends since this time is far off and not associated with signs such as the return of Israel (v.32), signs in the heavens (Rev. 6.12) or a specific 2,520 day period (7 x 360) of Daniel's final unit of seven years we are to look out for. Perhaps Jesus will give us some signs we do not yet know during the millennium about when Satan is let loose out of the pit for a short while near the end of the 1000 years to show he will never repent.

The two Lunar Tetrads that fell on passover, tabernacles and again on passover and tabernacles in 1949/50 (6th since Christ) when Israel became a nation and 1967/68 (7th since Christ) when Israel entered Jerusalem was the first time since Christ two feast Tetrads occurred within 18 years apart, so this is the reference point to what Jesus was talking about when He told His disciples about very specific and unique cosmic signs (Luke 21.25).

Before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31) would occur three events in specific order (Rev. 6.12):

1) A great earthquake. Haiti 2010 had the second most deaths and the most deaths per capita of all earthquakes on record. Japan 2011 was the greatest in terms of financial loss and the 5th greatest in the world in terms of magnitude.

2) A unique solar eclipse. The rarest type-the Hybrid H3 longdated Nov. 3, 2013-will be the 4th since Christ.

3) A unique lunar eclipse. The Total Lunar Tetrad 2014/15 will be the 8th since Christ and won't happen again till 2582/83. So this is it my friends!

Unless you believe in Partial Rapture, you won't be able to perceive Rev. 6.12 correctly occurring right before the Tribulation starts.

The commencement of the building of the Temple and start of the Tribulation would begin in or right next to the 2014/15 Tetrad because Israel became a nation again during the 6th Tetrad (1949/50) on May 14, 1948 (Ezekiel's prophecy takes us to May, 1948). The armistice treaties were signed in 1949. And Israel marched in and reclaimed Jerusalem on June 7, 1967 during the 7th Tetrad (1967/68).

As we all know, the first four feasts refer to Jesus' first coming. The last three feasts pertain to His second coming. Feast of Trumpets has to do with rapture which comes before the Tribulation starts according to readiness (Matt. 24.40-42), and the last trumpet rapture and resurrection (1 Thess. 4.14-18) is at the start of the 7th trumpet (Rev. 11.15, 15.2-4) according to completion. Day of Atonement refers to all those who are saved and to be resurrected before the 1000 years, and Tabernacles points to the millennial kingdom that follows after the Tribulation is over. It is a Sabbath rest after 6000 years where the lamb and the lion lay down together in peace.

There must be 2,520 days, the final seven year period according to Daniel's prophecy (Dan. 9.24-27), from Feast of Trumpets (the First Rapture) to Tisha B'Av that commemorates when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. These two feasts in 2014-21 and 2016-23 don't add up to 2,520 days, but 2015-22 does exactly. Obviously, the Third Temple is especially important to Jesus because it will be His residence for 1000 years. It greatly hurt His heart to see the destruction of the 1st and 2nd Temples, because of such needless suffering and necessitated a delay in both His first and second coming.

Hence, the First Rapture to "the throne" (Rev 7.9) according to readiness (3.10, Luke 21.36) is Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015 before the first trumpet of the Tribulation is blown (8.7ff) to begin the 7 year Tribulation lasting 2,520 days.

The last trumpet rapture and resurrection (1 Cor. 15.23, 1 Thess. 4.14-18, Rev. 14.14-16) is at the start of the 7th trumpet that contains the 7 bowls of wrath that last 24 months. The first four trumpets are 42 months (Rev. 8.13), the 5th trumpet is 5 months (9.5,10), and the 6th trumpet lasts 13 months (v.15). That leaves 24 months for the 3rd woe or 7th trumpet.

So Jesus steps down on the mount of olives (Zech. 14.4, Acts 1.11, Rev. 1.7, 19.11-16) on Tisha B'Av Sunday, Aug. 7 (Av 10), 2022. When Tisha B'Av falls on a Saturday as on Aug. 6 (Av 9), 2022, it is held the day after on Sunday instead.

In conclusion: the likelihood of Jesus returning on Sunday is 1 in 7, and the likelihood of Tisha B'Av held over from Saturday is also 1 in 7. Less than half of all seven year periods from Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av work out to be exactly 2,520 days. Including also the probabilities for the Great Earthquake (1 in 2010), the H3 Solar Eclipse (1 in 700), the congruity of the three Tetrads (1 in 100,000), and all of these three items (earthquake, solar eclipse, lunar tetrad) in specific order (1 in 6), we come to a probability of 83 trillion to 1. If you think that is just coincidence, think again!
 
That's right---He was very specific---It'll be on a cloudy day.

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I know you were joking but I think you're right. This does sound like cloud cover.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken" (Matt. 24.29).

What could do this but cloud cover?

But it is important to get some corroboration: more than one verse.

"There were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail" (Rev. 11.19).

However, to be honest with you, none of these data points were used in determining the odds of 83 trillion to 1 so not sure why we are talking about cloud cover.

Enlighten me.
 
Imagination and calculations have no place in this as we are told clearly and emphatically

that no one knows the day and hour when He will return except His heavenly Father.

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone" (Matthew 24:36).


The return of Jesus Christ is near, even at the door, like a thief in the night. He may come through the door any moment.

But let's make it very clear, "No one knows that dayor hour."

History is littered with individuals who think they know more than Jesus.
 
Dumbing Down by Claiming You Can't Know When Jesus Retu

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Imagination and calculations have no place in this as we are told clearly and emphatically

that no one knows the day and hour when He will return except His heavenly Father.

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone" (Matthew 24:36).

The return of Jesus Christ is near, even at the door, like a thief in the night. He may come through the door any moment.

But let's make it very clear, "No one knows that dayor hour."

History is littered with individuals who think they know more than Jesus.
Clearly God wants us to "prove all things" so calculations are in order. You don't even need imagination, just follow what Jesus is saying, and don't leave out verses.

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only" (Matt. 25.35-36).

Jesus does not return when heaven and earth pass away. He returns 1000 years before heaven and earth pass away. Hence the millennial kingdom for 1000 years which occurs following His return (Jude 14,15; Rev. 20.2-7).

Jesus can't return at any moment. Israel needed to be a nation again and enter Jerusalem. This has been fulfilled. Also, the Temple must be completed before Jesus returns for we know the Antichrist will erect himself in the Temple and call himself God, setting up his idol as the abomination of desolation in the Temple (Matt. 24.15; 2 thess. 2.4). And we are to measure the court that is "outside the temple" (Rev. 11.2). How can Jesus return before these events when His return in the Bible is after these events?

Satan is the author of confusion. There is confusion saying Jesus could return tomorrow since it conflicts with what we read in God's word.

It's amazing how readily the flesh misreads the Bible to cause a person to shut their minds down, or perhaps they shut their minds down causing them to misread their Bible and take a dumbed-down or easy-believism approach. Such a person is malleable in Satan's deceit.

History has been filled with people who claimed Jesus would return at such and such a time, but not because Jesus didn't say when He would return, but because they misread God's word.

FACT: in the history of the Church nobody has come up with evidence as strong as this with odds of 83 trillion to 1.

For example, Rev. 6.12 requires a unique solar eclipse before the Tribulation commences. The most unique kind of solar eclipse is the Tetrad. To confirm this is the right lunar eclipse, we observe that a feast Tetrad fell when Israel became a nation 1949/50 and when Israel entered Jerusalem 1967/68. There was only one century since Christ before the 20th century when there were two Tetrads in a single century, so that gives us a probability of 1/19 for the chance two Tetrads would occur in the 20th century. The probability one of those two Tetrads landing on when Israel became a nation is 2/100, and the probability the second Tetrad would land on when Israel entered Jerusalem is 1/99. This comes to a probability of about ~ 1 in 100,000.

Combine this probability with the other data points in the opening post, we come to a probability of 83 trillion to 1 the Tribulation is 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

Praise the Lord!
 
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It's amazing how readily the flesh misreads the Bible to cause a person to shut their minds down, or perhaps they shut their minds down causing them to misread their Bible and take a dumbed-down or easy-believism approach. Such a person is malleable in Satan's deceit.
Isn't it though! Especially those who attempt to change God's Word! Appears someone has cornered the market in completely going against God's Word!
 
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Isn't it though! Especially those who attempt to change God's Word! Appears someone has cornered the market in completely going against God's Word!

It says what it says. Why change it?

It doesn't say, "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only".

Rather, the Bible says,

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only" (Matt. 25.35-36).

Let us read the Bible as is and not rejoin passages in different order to get a different result. Jesus does not return to reign on earth when heaven and earth pass away. Jesus returns to reign on earth for 1000 years.

Many do not have faith to believe this. The difference between you and me is I show and prove the case. You just speak in vagaries as you shut your mind down.

Since Jesus says, therefore, you can know, and you say you can't, who is it that you are really worshiping?
 
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Proverbs 17:17 :(
When we believe in Christ, we are to be set apart from
others. We are to love as Christ loved, forgive as He forgave,
etc. I hate to see the brothers and sisters of God doing
this to each other. We are all we have including Jesus.
We are to stay together. Like Paul sending the letter to Philipi
about how he was praying for the believers, we must
pray for each other, and help each other grow in Christ,
with love. :)

Proverbs 15:1
 
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