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When does antichrist appear ?

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Now we are brought to focus on the most glaring inconsistency of the rapture theory, and that is that the Antichrist will not appear until after the saints are caught away - seven years before the end of the world. Paul settles the entire matter for us in the first few verses of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [of our gathering together unto Him] shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin [Antichrist] be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (vs. 1-4).

The words of Paul are so plain that it is difficult to comment on them. How can they be plainer? Christ's coming will not take place "except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed." Show these words to any child who has learned to read; show them to anyone not prejudiced by "private" interpretations, and he will say, "These verses say that the man of sin (Antichrist) is going to be revealed before Jesus comes."
 
I personally believe the antichrist and beast are not the same thing. They are related yes.
The word antichrist only appears 4 times in scripture. All in 1st and 2nd John.
I believe the antichrists, and spirit of the antichrist has been in the world for some time now.
However, I do not believe the beast has been revealed yet. The beast is only mentioned in Revelation ( Rev 11:7; is the first time he is mentioned).
 
Also... as far as the "man of perdition" revealing himself before all these things happen has very little bearing on the rapture. ( 2 Thess 2:1-11; )
There are of course several view about when the rapture will happen... if it is a mid-trib or post-trib rapture, then obviously the beast will already be revealed.
But even if it is a pre-trib rapture, the beast could be revealed before he takes power.
 
Listening... you are correct, the gathering together happens after satan Not antichhrist sits as god.


We know the falling away is the one mentioned in the 10 virgins who when jesus is delayed they loose faith and become unwise.... the man of sin happens After jerusalem is taking after the 3.5 year agreement is broken ending the antichrist 7th kingdom (17:11) and starting the 8th for 3.5 years... this is why we see satan come down to the earth knowing he has little time and he goes after those jews who did Flee when the city has armys surrounding it....

We see they are protected for 3.5 yesrs agter fleeing... they go east to petra for one and this is shown at Dan 11:41 where the Ac cant get them
 
If you follow 11:41 thru 12:2

You see the jews protected (41)
The AC being chased by 2 of gogs armies (42-43)
See russia and china as trouble (44)
AC stops where armageddon happens
The gathering together happens (45)

12:1 book of life is taking out
12:2 win or loose...

12:2 is when every eye sees him (rev 1:7) and Rev 6:12-17
 
Also... as far as the "man of perdition" revealing himself before all these things happen has very little bearing on the rapture. ( 2 Thess 2:1-11; )
There are of course several view about when the rapture will happen... if it is a mid-trib or post-trib rapture, then obviously the beast will already be revealed.
But even if it is a pre-trib rapture, the beast could be revealed before he takes power.
It does have bearing on the rapture since it wont come until After these happen..

Jesus says dont be decieved into believeing the gathering together happens Before these things happen... dont believe the pre trib rapture as the master will be delayed

which is why the first thing after the trib has started scoffers will say.

Wheres the pre trib promise of his coming (2pet 3:3-4). see this is the first thing in the Last days to happen...pre trip is over so pre trib Jesus cant show which brings the virgins to loose faith when the master is delayed... the falling away will happen and then man of sin comes
 
Now we are brought to focus on the most glaring inconsistency of the rapture theory, and that is that the Antichrist will not appear until after the saints are caught away - seven years before the end of the world. Paul settles the entire matter for us in the first few verses of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [of our gathering together unto Him] shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin [Antichrist] be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (vs. 1-4).

The words of Paul are so plain that it is difficult to comment on them. How can they be plainer? Christ's coming will not take place "except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed." Show these words to any child who has learned to read; show them to anyone not prejudiced by "private" interpretations, and he will say, "These verses say that the man of sin (Antichrist) is going to be revealed before Jesus comes."


I think you've misunderstood this ves
Now we are brought to focus on the most glaring inconsistency of the rapture theory, and that is that the Antichrist will not appear until after the saints are caught away - seven years before the end of the world. Paul settles the entire matter for us in the first few verses of 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day [of our gathering together unto Him] shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin [Antichrist] be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (vs. 1-4).

The words of Paul are so plain that it is difficult to comment on them. How can they be plainer? Christ's coming will not take place "except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed." Show these words to any child who has learned to read; show them to anyone not prejudiced by "private" interpretations, and he will say, "These verses say that the man of sin (Antichrist) is going to be revealed before Jesus comes."

So the antichrist does not appear until "he who lets is taken out" vs 7. The wicked one cannot show himself until the one who letteth is taken out of the way. Back to 'Who is he that letteth"?
2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 (CJB)
6 And now you know what is restraining, so that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For already this separating from Torah is at work secretly, but it will be secretly only until he who is restraining is out of the way. 8 Then the one who embodies separation from Torah will be revealed, the one whom the Lord Yeshua will slay with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the glory of his coming.

So...Someone is taken out, removed, caught up..... Who is it?
 
How is it that scripture says That Day will Not come until AFTER and somehow you then use speculation that goes against something that was plainly said?

Cause it doesnt go along with a pre trib rapture belief
 
How is it that scripture says That Day will Not come until AFTER and somehow you then use speculation that goes against something that was plainly said?

Cause it doesnt go along with a pre trib rapture belief

As I said The antichrist does not come until after the One is taken out. I don't understand your problem....Pulease elucidate. :-)
 
You said that someone was taken out of the way.... like the rapture happened so then the man of sin could be revealed but they are there After he is revealed
 
Should put an end to the pre trib rapture but it wont... its for certain this is the one paul waits for and ask us to wait with him
 
You said that someone was taken out of the way.... like the rapture happened so then the man of sin could be revealed but they are there After he is revealed

Yup That is what I said I do believe that the rapture or catching up will come before the antichrist is made known. BUT!! I do not believe that all of the church will be caught up. I believe that the bride will come out of the church.. I know I know Here comes another argument.
 
So you say that believers are taken out of the way and then the antichrist can be revealed...

But scripture says:

Not to believe that the gathering together can happen BEFORE the antichrist is revealed....


So it says gathering is after
You say its before.... who is correct?


Also I say satan sits as god Not the antichrist
 
So you say that believers are taken out of the way and then the antichrist can be revealed...

But scripture says:

Not to believe that the gathering together can happen BEFORE the antichrist is revealed....


So it says gathering is after
You say its before.... who is correct?


Also I say satan sits as god Not the antichrist

Ah? Where does it say that?
 
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