When Will The Rapture Happen?

[PloughBoy]

Was Abraham, Isaac or Jacob a “Christian”? Was Moses a Christian, or David or Solomon a Christian ? Was Isaiah or Ezekiel, Jeremiah or Amos a Christian. Did Jesus ever called anyone a Christian? How many times the word Christian appeared in the Bible? What about 3 times? And who used it ? Peter used it once, king Agrippa once, and when the pagans classified or called them Christian at “Antioch”. Total out the whole Bible the word Christian is only mention 3 times. Don’t you think that is kinda strange. One word, applied wrongly with mix emotions can cause centuries Of problems. Let us use the word “believers” in Christ.
During the tribulation, they are the “believers in Christ”.

 

[B-A-C]

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Rev 14:12; Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
Rev 14:13; And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, "Write, 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them."

Who are these people who are keeping the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus during the tribulation (while others are taking the mark of the beast). Are they not Christians?

 

[PloughBoy]

I'd be interested to get a list of those passages. As far as I can see, there isn't a single passage in the Bible that talks of people being snatched off the earth.

Do you have a “Vines dictionary of NT words”” and “Englishman Greek” concordance? Surely you will find what you couldn’t . shalom.

 

[B-A-C]

2Thes 2:1; Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him,
2Thes 2:2; that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
2Thes 2:3; Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,
2Thes 2:4; who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
2Thes 2:5; Do you not remember that while I was still with you, I was telling you these things?
2Thes 2:6; And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.
2Thes 2:7; For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.
2Thes 2:8; Then that lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will slay with the breath of His mouth and bring to an end by the appearance of His coming;
2Thes 2:9; that is, the one whose coming is in accord with the activity of Satan, with all power and signs and false wonders,
2Thes 2:10; and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved.
2Thes 2:11; For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
2Thes 2:12; in order that they all may be judged who did not believe the truth, but took pleasure in wickedness.

I notice here it talks about Jesus coming back and gathering us together with Him. But I also notice it says this won't happen until...
The apostasy happens, and the man of lawlessness (perdition).. the beast.. is revealed. He will put himself in the temple of God (most believe the temple in Jerusalem will be built a 3rd time)
So it seems the "coming of Jesus to gather the saint with Him will not happen until "after" these things happen.

I also notice here, Jesus "will slay (the beast) with the breath of His mouth" when He returns. So it seems the beast will run his course through the tribulation before Jesus return to get the church.

 

[Hekuran]

Do you have a “Vines dictionary of NT words”” and “Englishman Greek” concordance? Surely you will find what you couldn’t . shalom.

Better than that I've got a decent English translation of the Bible. I've read it end-to-end, and to my understanding there's nowhere that talks about people being snatched off the earth.

There are moments -- such as John in the Book of the Revelation -- when people are temporarily transported in a vision to the heavenly places, but that's not what most people mean by the Rapture.

To what passages do you look to confirm your belief about the Rapture?

 

[PloughBoy]

You cannot get juice out of a “Solid Rock” no matter how hard you squeeze.

(Matthew 24).
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

If God said “No man” God meant that!
Noah, didn’t even know what day it was going to rain. For it had never rain on the earth before. So he look like a fool to the people and most likely he felt like one for a 120 years but it still rain, and 1st time it ever rain.

 

[PloughBoy]

Better than that I've got a decent English translation of the Bible. I've read it end-to-end, and to my understanding there's nowhere that talks about people being snatched off the earth.

There are moments -- such as John in the Book of the Revelation -- when people are temporarily transported in a vision to the heavenly places, but that's not what most people mean by the Rapture.

To what passages do you look to confirm your belief about the Rapture?

I do perceive, you don’t know what those two books are. Ok have a nice day. Bye.

 

[Hekuran]

You have a great day too. Don't see what my knowledge of vines has to do with rapture theology though.

 

[Sue D.]

For the rapture -- look at 1 Thessalonians 4:13 - 18 and Matthew 24:40 -42 1 Corinthians 15:51 - 52