Where is the real body of Christ these days ?

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Hello Every One,
My heart is troubled and heavy burdened for what I have been seeing these days with those who are the Body Of Christ. I know how I am feeling and it brings tears to my eyes and I am to the place that I am almost embarrassed
to identify my self as a Christian in many area's of this world. So this brings me to my question, How would God see us if we did not have the Blood of Jesus covering us ? Here is what I am talking about.

Jesus died on the cross so we could live life abundantly and free from the curse of the law. Through Christ God has given us everything we will ever need to live a victorious life through Christ Jesus from glory to glory. He heals us of our diseases and blesses our food and multiplies our seed sown.
He gives us peace and power over the enemy the devil. Jesus made the way that we can go boldly to the throne of God any time we want. The things Jesus has done for us could fill up this entire forum.

So here we are dwelling in this earth with all the resources we could ever need right at our finger tips. God said to us to BE HIS HANDS AND MOUTH while we are here on this earth. His light shining brightly in this dark world.
To be His example of Blessed people amongst those lost and hurting people.
He is counting on us. Jesus is ever praying for us and this should be the easiest things we ever do for when God calls you to something He AUTHORISES you to do it which means HE HAS SUPPLIED EVERYTHING that we will need and has EMPOWERED US to carry out the task.

So look around and tell me what you see ? You will find the body of Christ fighting amongst each other and living a sloppy life full of lack and sickness and cant even agree on the WRITTEN WORD OF GOD. You have believers falsely accusing servants of God of preaching false doctrines and such and claiming those ministries that grow big in every way are steeling from the people to live a fat life for them selves and so forth.

Christians are even making the news these days. Oh yea watch their foul evil protest claiming to speak for God Himself. Oh don't they look so cute with their little signs reading God hates Gays and so forth. We attack churches for allowing gay and drunkards and such into their churches and condemn those who are not of the christian life style. Sad sight in Heaven we must be.

No where in the written word of God does it command us to tear down another Mans ministry. No place does it tell us to judge them and broadcast it all over the world. It does say that if you judge some one then this same judgement will be upon you or another words you just took the level of how you must be so high that you will not be able to rise above it. WE are to judge our selves. Judge what is good for us. If it is not of God it will eventually fall but if it is of God you may find your self fighting against God.

God is not holding anything against any of these people. He loves them. He hates their sin but He hates the sin in our life too and why is this ? Because it destroys man, for God hates anything that destroys man. However look at the body of Christ.. So caught up on who will get into Heaven and who will not and those gays wont ever get in unless they change and live life like us. I got some news for you.......that is simply words from the dung hill.

God loves them all and is not holding anything against them. John 3:16 is for each and every one of them....Just as they are they can receive Christ and be born again and saved and washed with the Blood of Christ and get into Heaven. God will work on cleaning them up and perfecting them. Our Job is to LOVE them and show them the LOVE OF GOD, as far as changing them that is Gods place and out of our hands.

God teaches us to LOVE our enemies and neighbors and those who persecute us and those who are lost. He commands us to and He commands us to forgive them as well. Well now Brother Jim it will be a sad day in hell before my church lets gays make out in the pews. Yea well guess what.......Come hell or high water NO CHRISTIAN COUPLES will make out in my church either.. Get a grip.....We got Christians fighting for their so called Christian rights to refuse doing any kind of business with any person who is not correct according to their religion.....

Yep that's showing them the love of Christ alright...... God commands us to love them. Sad thing is if they continue to pass these laws they are hurting their own communities way beyond acceptable.

So in all of this I ask where is THE REAL BODY OF CHRIST ? The ones that Jesus died for and redeemed and only ask to share His love and see the captives set free and bring the lost into the light ? What chance does the lost have with a bunch of fighting so called believers these days ? The devil our enemy is having a field day within the church getting us to fight and bicker and become sloppy all the while hindering our ability to destroy his strong holds and kingdom on this earth. He hood winks the body of Christ and he gets an easier time in steeling - killing and destroying...

Wow Just think........Him ( Jesus ) with our sins and US with His RIGHTEOUSNESS........and look at us.......God help us all......

I hope this will wake some of you up and if it angers you that I speak these words good because it angers me just as well. Please lets get back to the BASE, the written word of God and lets live it according to His word and not our beliefs of the day.
Blessings and Love in Christ
Jim

 

[Fragrant Grace]

What chance does the lost have with a bunch of fighting so called believers these days ? The devil our enemy is having a field day within the church getting us to fight and bicker and become sloppy all the while hindering our ability to destroy his strong holds and kingdom on this earth. He hood winks the body of Christ and he gets an easier time in steeling - killing and destroying...

Greetings Jim @Wired 4 Fishen

A very thought provoking and pertinent thread.

Looking around it is so sad to see the disputing amongst believers, the loss of moral and Biblical standards within churches and the love of money
This only pushes the lost away rather than drawing them in....O Lord shouldn't we be heartbroken about this and crying rather than accepting it as normal

I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism,One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Ephesians 4:1-5

 

[Curtis]

James 4:1.. From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
James 4:2.. Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
James 4:3.. Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
James 4:4.. Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
James 4:5.. Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
James 4:6.. But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
James 4:7.. Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:8.. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
James 4:9.. Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
James 4:10.. Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
James 4:11.. Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Jamss 4:12.. There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

 

[amadeus2]

Not every group that says it is of the body of Christ is. Not everyone that says he is a Christian in the best meaning of the word is. Remember these words:

"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isaiah 55:11

And also these:

God's Word will accomplish God's purpose. His Son is to have a body and He is to have a people who are Christ-like. Whether or not any group or person we know will be a part of them is really up to them, isn't it?

"Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matt 7:19-23

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Not every group that says it is of the body of Christ is. Not everyone that says he is a Christian in the best meaning of the word is. Remember these words:
"So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." Isaiah 55:11
And also these:
God's Word will accomplish God's purpose. His Son is to have a body and He is to have a people who are Christ-like. Whether or not any group or person we know will be a part of them is really up to them, isn't it?
"Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Matt 7:19-23

Hello Amadeus,
I agree with you very much and there is still another side that is not being seen correctly.
It does not matter if we know some say they are Christians and are not and if we know some churches are not operating correctly under the Lord Jesus Christ. However it DOES MATTER VERY MUCH that the world which is in the dark does not understand this and see's this all as one, "His Church and Body"

We are His light in this world. All the excuses the body of Christ can make will NOT remove the picture the lost are seeing daily.
Google Christian things and find so many so called Christians with direct revelation from God about all these false teachers and such. You find churches fighting churches and the body of Christ fighting over preachers having to much money.
It is all orchestrated from HELL issued by satan to turn the body of Christ into carnal minded christians all the while he is operating within the shadows penetrating deep within the church.

It's time we wake up for the time for excuses and sweeping this under the rug has come and gone. It has reached His throne room and He is going to raise up some young Sheppard's who Love Him and will preach His Righteousness and Grace and are NOT afraid of the so called religious circles. This is the day....Ever hear hear Christians talk about "SOME DAY" Well God said this is THAT DAY and if you are not able to go with His flow then you wont be of the ones He will use.... in this day and hour.

It's past time for the Body of Christ to wake up,
This is what I am talking about
Blessings
Jim

 

[Curtis]

Brother, the world in which we are living is I believe to be in the end of times before the coming of Christ for his Church! Things are going from worse to worse, and the Church has been infiltrated with false teachers, Prophets that have deceived it's members. Like you have said in another post, God is shaking every thing that can be shaken so only the things that can not be shaken shall remain. God's sure foundation is the only thing that can be shaken. Those who have built on this foundation will remain and all the others must leave. The Church is Holy and pure, and there can no "leaven" among its members, or it will contaminate everyone. The Church must come out from behind it four walls for all the world to see the Glory of God within Christs body. Let the false prophets and teaches have these buildings we don't need them for we are God building! If we do not separate from these their names which the world is calling them will stick to us.

2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. It is because of them the way of truth is being evil spoken of.

2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

 

[rag4aCrown]

Many are plugged in, but they are not being charged.

He is not in the house made with hands, because the majority of houses made without hands has not entered in themselves.
When God sends one in fill of the Spirit, they hate you and can not wait to bite and rip and tear at the Lords servant.
God have mercy on us ALL.
Fight the good fight of faith. Paul was in many disputation with so called "believers".
Do you know Him? Is He consuming your heart? If thine eye be single, thy whole body is full of light. Just as, the mouth defiles the whole body; not just this one body but false teachers defile many bodies. For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. What is your mouth speaking?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Brother, the world in which we are living is I believe to be in the end of times before the coming of Christ for his Church! Things are going from worse to worse, and the Church has been infiltrated with false teachers, Prophets that have deceived it's members. Like you have said in another post, God is shaking every thing that can be shaken so only the things that can not be shaken shall remain. God's sure foundation is the only thing that can be shaken. Those who have built on this foundation will remain and all the others must leave. The Church is Holy and pure, and there can no "leaven" among its members, or it will contaminate everyone. The Church must come out from behind it four walls for all the world to see the Glory of God within Christs body. Let the false prophets and teaches have these buildings we don't need them for we are God building! If we do not separate from these their names which the world is calling them will stick to us.


2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. It is because of them the way of truth is being evil spoken of.


2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

Curtis my Brother and Friend,
This is all true but not my point. The church has gotten off course and out of whack. This end times and false prophet stuff is going to be a down fall to the body of Christ if they do not wake up. Not because of any false prophet or false teacher but because the body is to busy pulling down what is of God and walking in a man tainted Gospel.

Yes the word talks about false prophets in the last days. So what has the body been doing ? Running full blast on this scripture and attacking ALL OTHERS that do not except the written word of God in the way they do. How can I say this..........It is so simple.

Lets take one line out of the books of acts and not as a direct command of God but lets just say COMMON SENSE.
In fact I will post 2 verses both in KJ and NL......
Acts 5:34-39 and I will write 38-39 ....I do not copy and paste and that's a lot of writing but 38-39 says what I want and 34-38 will show it is in true context to what I am saying....

KJV.....38... And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone; for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought.
KJV... 39.. But if it BE OF GOD, ye can not overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God;

NLT... 38 So my advice is, Leave these men alone. If they are teaching and doing these things merely on their own, it will soon be overthrown.
NLT....39.. But if it is of GOD, you WILL NOT be able to stop them. YOU MAY EVEN find your self FIGHTING AGAINST GOD.

YES PAUL wrote about how he called out some in a church in which HE WAS SENT BY GOD to build and get inline with His word.
NOTICE........ these were the FIRST CHURCHES being built on the nerw COVENANT........Not churches over 2000 years later. We are also told many places how to properly do this in a church.

Now all the big name ministries that today's Christians are trying to pull down....well open up your eyes....They bounce right back and grow stronger......Why ? Because they are of GOD.......... There have been a few that were not walking right and where are they ? Gone that's where. God does not call any of His body to go around speaking out against His servants. However His servants twist His word in order to make it so. Truly ask your self why ?? Brother it is so easy to see, if satan can and has gotten the church to do so then he has an easy time of getting his false words of crap spoken through the body of Christ.

Do a google search about false teachers............you will get the same names always..........their accusers are small churches and ignorant of the word, people, claiming to hear from God....Read all they say about every one. Then go to all their web sites and church sites or calling sites etc. Read everything and write down how many things limit God or change what even you know to be true.

People say all these bible sites are Gods answer to His word. I have heard it said that all of what they say lines up with the scriptures they use. You got to be kidding me.... I can pull scripture and write reasons why so and so is in sin because they have pink hair and drank a beer with breakfast.... My point is unless you know His word or have spiritual understanding you can be deceived so easy like and not even know it. This day and age, most believers do a 3 second google search and copy and paste and it is GODS way. That is so false it stinks of the dung hill it came from. I do not care how pretty their web page looks or what words they use
If the Holy Spirit does not confirm it to me then it is trash,,,,Point blank.

One ministry that gets accused of heresy and false doctrine and speaking prosperity messages against the written word of God and false word of faith believing , is very much prospering in the wealth of God. Another words God is moving BIG TIME through their ministry.

How about this.....it's not one ministry that is under fire like this but MANY.
NOW THEN LISTEN UP PLEASE..................
Has any of these accusers of the brethren (which we are warned not to do) ever done any of the following ?
Purchased a 100 foot vessel and had it refurbished unto a new state and then sowed it into another ministry that is using it to......
This miraculous 100 foot ship is serving in the South Pacific as a mobile bible school, evangelistic platform, humanitarian aid, and transportation tool that can access islands completely isolated due to lack of airfields and ship routes. Instead of the people having to get to us we are going to the nations. She is a trademark of God’s Goodness throughout the South Pacific!
This tool has enabled us to reach the uttermost parts of the earth and fulfill Acts 1:8. We believe she will reach the last place on earth with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

How about Jets and cars and trucks and buildings and seeding and sowing into other ministries as well. Have any of these accusers gone and paid off homes for partners and others that the Lord places in their path, that fell to hard times and were going to loose it all? These did and do.

Have any of these accusers taken the gospel to Russia and seen a revival over there ? No they have not and yet these so called congregation pilchars have.

Have these accusers taken the gospel across the globe and had healing services where multitudes of sick and lame and bound by the devil were set free and thousands upon thousands of people were documented to have received the Lord Jesus as their savior? No but the accused have.

My point is those who accuse have no understanding how the kingdom of God operates. It is seed time and harvest time. Everything in this kingdom starts from a seed. The body can continue to falsely accuse these ministries and servants of God until Jesus comes but the only thing they accomplish is hurting them selves and believers who are ignorant of His written word and follow them and the sad part......the lost who are seeking something better.

Yea the lost. Remember them ? That is our assignment while we are here to take His love to them and help usher them into the family of God. Now how does this work when His body is fighting everything but satan and his works ? honestly Brother tell me this.

I am so tired of people ( you know the forum and whom I am speaking of ) using bits and pieces of scripture to prove their point and leave out 7 to 20 other scriptures that keep the scripture they use in context. Use His word correctly or don't use it at all. Oh Paul did this and should we tell paul he is wrong and this one said this so we must take it as a direct command from God and judge, condemn and act like a big fish in a very little pond.....

Does this paint a clearer picture in what I am saying ?
God Help Us all
Blessings
Jim

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Many are plugged in, but they are not being charged.

He is not in the house made with hands, because the majority of houses made without hands has not entered in themselves.
When God sends one in fill of the Spirit, they hate you and can not wait to bite and rip and tear at the Lords servant.
God have mercy on us ALL.
Fight the good fight of faith. Paul was in many disputation with so called "believers".
Do you know Him? Is He consuming your heart? If thine eye be single, thy whole body is full of light. Just as, the mouth defiles the whole body; not just this one body but false teachers defile many bodies. For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. What is your mouth speaking?

True, true , true my sister HOWEVER the body of Christ today attacks any ministry that has grown beyond their views or rather what they think a ministry should be and attacks those who teach truth of the very written word of God because they want to keep limiting God to their little box of beliefs passed down through tradition and religion.....
I am not against the body of Christ........Just against twisitng scripture to make your stand or to get praise for your self. You know I just saw it.........Many churches today are full of pharisee PRIDE........They want the praise and respeck from man and not God and convinced them selves it is of God.....

 

[rag4aCrown]

Brother, I know all about it. I have been preaching this message throughout the world for several years now. And, a few is waking up. God is turning the church.
God is preparing His people for His return.
All we can do is speak forth the testimonies of what we have seen, heard and felt; we can not make them believe; just plant those testimonies and God will do the rest. Amen
I was on the floor in a small church and I heard an audible voice in my ear, "remember, I will not put more on you than you can stand." And I felt this weight come across my shoulders(my back); it pushed my face into the carpet. I said, "Lord, what is that?" I tried to push my face up out of the floor and it got heavier. I heard, " How does that feel? Jesus felt the entire weight of the worlds sins on Him; you felt one little church with a handful of people." I cried, "Lord forgive them, they know not what they do." Then I was picked up, by the preacher, taken to a separate room and called the devil.
So, yes, I know..