Who is Jesus?

[Christ4Ever]

This was done by Billy Graham in the early 70's, but it holds just as true for us today!
Thanksgiving is coming for those who live in USA, and so let's give thanks to Jesus who gave it all!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[BubbleFlower]

I doubt there are many people who do not know Jesus yet. It is like saying: Where is the Sun?

Far more people do not know themselves.

 

[Curtis]

I doubt there are many people who do not know Jesus yet. It is like saying: Where is the Sun?

Good discovery on your part. Jesus who is God is like the "sun"

Psa 84:11 The LORD God is like the sun that gives us light. He is like a shield that keeps us safe. The LORD blesses us with favor and honor. He doesn't hold back anything good from those whose lives are without blame.

He is surely not far from you! Where is Jesus?

 

[BubbleFlower]

Good discovery on your part. Jesus who is God is like the "sun"

Psa 84:11 The LORD God is like the sun that gives us light. He is like a shield that keeps us safe. The LORD blesses us with favor and honor. He doesn't hold back anything good from those whose lives are without blame.

He is surely not far from you! Where is Jesus?

No other verse defines the Christian faith better than that ONE, but......I can't say more because I am not sure what is not allowed on these forums.

Many other translations says he is OUR sun or just a SUN. The King James Bible is a good example.

Anyway, this man in the video is a very good speaker, but I disagree with him.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Greetings @BubbleFlower

You have picked up this well sister, but there are two issues to consider here.

1 - As you say some Bibles say our Sun, others say Sun.

Firstly there is only one Bible, but there are many translations. Some translations are more to the meaning of the original word(s), others are reworded to sound like todays speaking, that said, the latter ones are often like translations of translations, which is not good. The Bible translations that expound The Word are nearer to the true meaning, but they cannot always be translated as accurately as one would want. A common word that causes issues is Love, we use one word 'love' to cover so many ways or types of love, the Bible has at least seven different types of love, so translating from a specific word, with a specific meaning is not easy in western world language. The first issue is therefore translation, with best intentions it is not easy.

2 - What the verse quoted is trying to explain is God's Light, like the light of the Sun.

Psalm 84:11 (NKJV)
11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield; The LORD will give grace and glory; No good thing will He withhold From those who walk uprightly.

Psalm 84:11 (NLT2)
11 For the LORD God is our sun and our shield. He gives us grace and glory. The LORD will withhold no good thing from those who do what is right.

Looking at the word Sun used here in Hebrew
Hebrew Strong's Number: 8121
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.
Hebrew Word: ‏שֶׁמֶשׁ‎
Transliteration: shemesh
Phonetic Pronunciation: sheh'-mesh

Root: from an unused root meaning to be a brilliant light

Looking at the word Shield used here in Hebrew
Hebrew Strong's Number: 4043
Hebrew Word: ‏מָגֵן‎
Transliteration: māgēn
Phonetic Pronunciation: maw-gane'
Hebrew Word: ‏מְגִנָּה‎
Transliteration: meginnâh
Phonetic Pronunciation: meg-in-naw'

also (in plural) femine meginnah, meg-in-naw'; from <H1598> (ganan);
a shield ;figurative a protector;

There for from the Hebrew we see
God is like a brilliant light (as compared to the sun as there is no light brighter to compare with)
God is our shield in this life (protection against the devil)

Although God is like a brilliant light, to use our in the translation at this stage is not right.
But to use our as He is our shield is correct in meaning and in the text.

This is why some translations used the word 'our' and some didn't.
It all comes down to translation, the Truth is always in the Word, the Original Word. Hebrew (Old Testament), Greek (New Testament) have far better meaning for the words used, written and spoken. Sadly we in the West have a very sloppy language, the example above with the word 'love' is typical of our language. In Psalm 84:11 we see clearly how the translators have done their best to provide as near as possible an accurate translations, we can see why some translations used the word 'our' yet others haven't. God is Light, in Him is no darkness, it is an amazing light, human eyes could not look directly at, the nearest comparison to put into words is the sun.

God is a brilliant light, that light is our shield against the darkness in this world. Those who are saved, come into the light, those who are not will not come into the light, because it reveals them as they are, it reveals their sins to them.

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil [sin] hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

Peace be with you.

 

[BubbleFlower]

Greetings @BubbleFlower

You have picked up this well sister, but there are two issues to consider here.

1 - As you say some Bibles say our Sun, others say Sun.

Firstly there is only one Bible, but there are many translations. Some translations are more to the meaning of the original word(s), others are reworded to sound like todays speaking, that said, the latter ones are often like translations of translations, which is not good. The Bible translations that expound The Word are nearer to the true meaning, but they cannot always be translated as accurately as one would want. A common word that causes issues is Love, we use one word 'love' to cover so many ways or types of love, the Bible has at least seven different types of love, so translating from a specific word, with a specific meaning is not easy in western world language. The first issue is therefore translation, with best intentions it is not easy.

2 - What the verse quoted is trying to explain is God's Light, like the light of the Sun.

Psalm 84:11 (NKJV)
11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield; The LORD will give grace and glory; No good thing will He withhold From those who walk uprightly.

Psalm 84:11 (NLT2)
11 For the LORD God is our sun and our shield. He gives us grace and glory. The LORD will withhold no good thing from those who do what is right.

Looking at the word Sun used here in Hebrew
Hebrew Strong's Number: 8121
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.
Hebrew Word: ‏שֶׁמֶשׁ‎
Transliteration: shemesh
Phonetic Pronunciation: sheh'-mesh

Root: from an unused root meaning to be a brilliant light

Looking at the word Shield used here in Hebrew
Hebrew Strong's Number: 4043
Hebrew Word: ‏מָגֵן‎
Transliteration: māgēn
Phonetic Pronunciation: maw-gane'
Hebrew Word: ‏מְגִנָּה‎
Transliteration: meginnâh
Phonetic Pronunciation: meg-in-naw'

also (in plural) femine meginnah, meg-in-naw'; from <H1598> (ganan);
a shield ;figurative a protector;

There for from the Hebrew we see
God is like a brilliant light (as compared to the sun as there is no light brighter to compare with)
God is our shield in this life (protection against the devil)

Although God is like a brilliant light, to use our in the translation at this stage is not right.
But to use our as He is our shield is correct in meaning and in the text.

This is why some translations used the word 'our' and some didn't.
It all comes down to translation, the Truth is always in the Word, the Original Word. Hebrew (Old Testament), Greek (New Testament) have far better meaning for the words used, written and spoken. Sadly we in the West have a very sloppy language, the example above with the word 'love' is typical of our language. In Psalm 84:11 we see clearly how the translators have done their best to provide as near as possible an accurate translations, we can see why some translations used the word 'our' yet others haven't. God is Light, in Him is no darkness, it is an amazing light, human eyes could not look directly at, the nearest comparison to put into words is the sun.

God is a brilliant light, that light is our shield against the darkness in this world. Those who are saved, come into the light, those who are not will not come into the light, because it reveals them as they are, it reveals their sins to them.

John 3:18-21 (NKJV)
18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For everyone practicing evil [sin] hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.
21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."

Peace be with you.

Is that everything that you can say about this. I truly believe that verse and I am not even a Christian.

I can write way more than you did on this subject here. There is tremendous information I do know about this subject.

So . . . I appreciate all that you wrote here, and I probably could add way more to the "Who is Jesus?"

But, I noticed the things I write here get removed/deleted often. So, I am only staying passive, and try to read what you say without discussing it.

 

[Chad]

So . . . I appreciate all that you wrote here, and I probably could add way more to the "Who is Jesus?"

With all due respect, you cannot write about Jesus when you do not know Him. You stated in the same post you are not a Christian. So you cannot write about someone you do not know and have a relationship with. This is God, not some celebrity or another human being we're talking about.

 

[BubbleFlower]

With all due respect, you cannot write about Jesus when you do not know Him. You stated in the same post you are not a Christian. So you cannot write about someone you do not know and have a relationship with. This is God, not some celebrity or another human being we're talking about.

Jesus said, "IS it not written in your law, I said, you are Gods?" (John 10:34)

Maybe others will understand better if you allow them to ask questions, or share what they know. I do not see that happening here.

Yes, I know Jesus, but I do not worship him. He is your God. I am alone, there is no God where I am.

 

[Chad]

Jesus said, "IS it not written in your law, I said, you are Gods?" (John 10:34)

Maybe others will understand better if you allow them to ask questions, or share what they know. I do not see that happening here.

Yes, I know Jesus, but I do not worship him. He is your God. I am alone, there is no God where I am.

Yes, I do allow people to ask questions since. Going on 16 years next February as a matter of fact.

Regarding understand Scripture...


1 Corinthians 2:10-16

10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.[a]

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[BubbleFlower]

Yes, I do allow people to ask questions since. Going on 16 years next February as a matter of fact.

Regarding understand Scripture...


1 Corinthians 2:10-16

10 these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 11 For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.[a]

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one. 16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

Thank you but . . .

I had a post named the Spiritual Path today, but it was deleted. Is not that a waste of my time when you we do not even know what kind of posts we are allowed to post here? I can not even find rules, or anything of that kind here. I asked few questions, but instead it got deleted? Before that, I had a post about the Holy Spirit, and it got deleted, too.

So yeah you are looking for people who agree with you. When you find yourself unable to answer something the post will be just removed.

Good verse. I am the Spiritual person. Also I can identity with the natural person. It is more of a balance of both.

Actually some Christian concepts influenced my Spirituality, but well not going to post everything I have written before. I am not an atheist or a believer.

 

[BubbleFlower]

With all due respect, you cannot write about Jesus when you do not know Him. You stated in the same post you are not a Christian. So you cannot write about someone you do not know and have a relationship with. This is God, not some celebrity or another human being we're talking about.

Jesus is a God and man. So yeah he is both. I think you also agree with that. "Christian" is a title. It does not matter what you call yourself.

 

[Curtis]

Jesus is a God and man. So yeah he is both. I think you also agree with that. "Christian" is a title. It does not matter what you call yourself.

The word, "Christain" is what unbelievers called believers thousands of years ago. The word, "Christain" means, "Christ-like". The reason why they are called Christ-like is that Jesus Christ himself lives inside them! (2 Cor 13:5)

 

[Hekuran]

Jesus is a God and man. So yeah he is both. I think you also agree with that. "Christian" is a title. It does not matter what you call yourself.

Agree that labels and names count for little on their own. But it does matter who or what you put your trust in, who you follow, and how you live.

 

[Curtis]

It does not matter what you call yourself.

It only matters what God calls you!

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

 

[BubbleFlower]

The word, "Christain" is what unbelievers called believers thousands of years ago. The word, "Christain" means, "Christ-like". The reason why they are called Christ-like is that Jesus Christ himself lives inside them! (2 Cor 13:5)

That is not of my concerns what you call yourself. I do not even want to debate what you believe because that is not of my business what others believe as long as they do not harm others.

I was just wondering what is a Spiritual path. It means different things for different people. All I see is dogmatic thinking and a religion. Basically, people telling others what they should believe. They are also quick to tell you how to run your life when they are doing nothing of a Spiritual nature! Just talk talk talk and talk. . . . How about doing something?

I mentioned this concept in the previous deleted post. I mentioned that only the Gnostic Christians, which I consider to be a genuine Spiritual path seem to walk in the Spirit, but It got deleted. I am not even Christian in any shape or form. I am just stating an opinion. I also mentioned Pentecostals seems to be a bit Spiritual-focused of all the mainstream sects.

Most believers turned Christ into a piece of paper, and doctrines to debate, rather than 'WORKING' towards becoming "Christ-like" through the Holy Spirit. I am not interested in carrying a title otherwise I would tell you "the title" people choose to call themselves in my Spirituality. I only prefer to say Spiritual or an esotericist. I do not even want to mention it to people. It is what you do that matters. If your Spiritual path is supposed to make you Christ-like, then I can respect that but it is Spiritual WORK that makes you that way, not faith.

 

[BubbleFlower]

Agree that labels and names count for little on their own. But it does matter who or what you put your trust in, who you follow, and how you live.

I did not come to this Earth to be a follower. Did you come to this world just to follow someone's way?

Why put trust in someone? Do not trust anyone. It does not usually ends well for me. I put trust in my instincts. They never betray me.

I agree it mattes how you live your life, regardless of what you believe.

 

[BubbleFlower]

It only matters what God calls you!

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

I accept that. I call myself the daughter of the Stars. These Stars are the Gods.

I am not sure, if they will allow us to discuss the root of Christianity here. I happened to believe Christianity is a Solar faith. Jesus is truly God's SUN.

My Spirituality is not very different at all. Mine is a Stellar tradition. All religions/Spiritual paths have roots in the planets and the stars. I admit that and it does not bother me.

 

[Andyindauk]

Hi Bubble,

You've got an interesting take there on the Christian faith but I'm not sure as to its basis. Quite a lot of people really struggle to get their heads around the Bible, they look at it, they read it but somehow it's not quite believable. I know quite a lot of people get stuck on creation due to big bang theories, Prof Hawkins etc. Me, I believe God could have created Earth with a big bang, maybe 6,000 or maybe 4 mill years ago, I'm not 100% when but I am 100% who. Others find it just too good to be true - Massive, all-powerful God creates Earth, space, stars, nature and us, we go off the rails and He sends His Son Jesus to take our consequences for going wrong. He's so loving He can't bear to see us die, just because our predecessors made a bad choice. It doesn't make sense to us; something you made and treasured goes wrong, you try and fix it but if the cost of fixing it is way too much, reluctantly you just chuck it. But not God.

Some pretty brainy people that can't get their heads around that make up either alternative religions like Islam, Hindu or variant religions like JW, Mormons, Unitarian etc. But in order for them to get off the ground they need to completely diss the Bible. People tell me it's fake. I'm pretty sure that most people that claim that haven't actually read it. It's been written by dozens of people over thousands of years and it's all very consistent, it's message is really very clear; God loves us to death - literally! For me, if you really want to know someone, a good place to start is read their autobiography. If you want to know someone even better, read their biography and then talk to them.

I'm interested to know what your take is on the Bible? If you can't believe it, you're going to struggle hacking the Christian faith John 6:60-71. But before you turn away and follow Him no more, look for the answers to some very basic questions like: is God as loving as He claims? Is He as holy and perfect as He claims? Then why would He give us a Bible that was a pack of lies? For me the choice is do you believe God, do you accept Him and do you love Him. If the answer to those questions is yes, then you are quite clearly His anointed daughter and you can look forward to an absolutely amazing future without end that even the Bible can't describe! If the answer to those questions is no, then fingers crossed, let's hope that the Bible is fake. Either way, please, please, please make sure you're absolutely sure and if there's any doubt, read and study the Bible until you are and then you can make a decision as to which team you want to be on. A good way of reading the Bible is to download an app called YouVersion. It's the Bible and you can choose whichever translation you like best (New International is one of the most popular) and there are various reading plans on different subjects, including doubt, that will take you through the relevant passages.

In the Bible there are references to your take on worshipping the sun, moon and stars and to brutally frank, God says He really doesn't like that Deuteronomy 4:19. That's a problem only if the Bible is not fiction. That's why you need to make an informed choice that you're confident in.

Hope you do find time to research this thoroughly and do come to a conclusion of which you're sure. Meantime me and few dozen others in here will pray for you. Do let us know how you get on.

Love, best wishes and a really happy Christmas,



Andy x

 

[Curtis]

I accept that. I call myself the daughter of the Stars. These Stars are the Gods.

I am not sure, if they will allow us to discuss the root of Christianity here. I happened to believe Christianity is a Solar faith. Jesus is truly God's SUN.

My Spirituality is not very different at all. Mine is a Stellar tradition. All religions/Spiritual paths have roots in the planets and the stars. I admit that and it does not bother me.

Since God is a Spirit, and he is invisible to the human eyes, the Lord created the known universe in a "way" that would "reveal" not only himself but how the unseen spiritual reality is.

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

God is "like" the sun.!

Psa 84:11 The LORD God is like the sun that gives us light. He is like a shield that keeps us safe. The LORD blesses us with favor and honor. He doesn't hold back anything good from those whose lives are without blame.

God is NOT the sun in our solar system, he is only "like" the sun that gives us light!

People thousands of years ago, and even today worship the "sun" as their God. It is never good to worship something that was created by God that represented himself more than the one who created it! That is called "idol worship"

Rom 1:25 They chose a lie instead of God's truth. They worshiped and served created things. They didn't worship the Creator. But he must be praised forever. Amen.

The Bible refers to angels as "stars", (Job 38:7) and all of God's children are referred to as stars. (Dan 12:3) Stars are NOT angels neither are God's children stars they are only symbolic of them!

Spiritually blind people needed these symbols (A visual aid) so they could have a clue to how God himself and his children are in his spiritual Kingdom of light.

 

[Alter2Ego]

This was done by Billy Graham in the early 70's, but it holds just as true for us today!
Thanksgiving is coming for those who live in USA, and so let's give thanks to Jesus who gave it all!
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick

Christ4Ever:

If, as you say, Jesus "gave it all," why did Jesus give the credit to his heavenly father by saying the following?

"I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me." (John 5:30)

How do you answer?

Alter2Ego

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