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Mabalot

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ROMANS 8:1
[ Life Through the Spirit ] Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

If there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
why is Confession necessary?

Are we to confess any sins before God will hear our prayers?

Thank you to all who reply.
 
As the light penetrates, it brings confession with it.If one believes, it will be manifest in a confession: if one really repents, he will believe, for the evidence of faith is in his repentance.The confession here is real, of course, as being produced by the light, and cannot in any way be divorced from faith in the Son of God.Inwardly there is faith counted for righteousness.Outwardly with the mouth the faith of the heat is followed.
 
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Good question, I believe the answer is among the lines of " the first step towards recovery is admitting theres a problem in the first place"
 
Also, confession makes us more aware of our sin so that we can always be working on it. Christ as the light cant have union with darkness so if our darkness remains unchecked then that separates us from Him. I dont think its as much of a formality as it may sound. God will always hear our prayers I just think having unconfessed sin or living unrighteously makes it more of a whisper
 
Confession to a priest is only confessing to a person. We need to confess our sins to Jesus; a priest is only a man. Only He can forgive us.
Ephesians 1:17: That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ,the father of glory,may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation inthe knowledge of Him
 
Confession to a priest is only confessing to a person. We need to confess our sins to Jesus; a priest is only a man. Only He can forgive us.
Ephesians 1:17: That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ,the father of glory,may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation inthe knowledge of Him
To God be the glory
 
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Just "thinking it" isn't enough.

Jas 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.

How can a brother or sister pray for you and where you might be struggling if you don't tell them? Where is your accountability?

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

The flip side of this.. if we DON'T confess our sins, then....
 
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Just "thinking it" isn't enough.

Our sense of hearing is essential to the process of forming words. So, when we form the words spoken of in Ro 10:9 we are, in a sense, speaking to ourselves - teaching ourselves the message of the verse. That is why "confess with your mouth" is so important.

SLE
 
well im not so experienced about the bible stuff; but for me its whole different to confess your sins like "praying" than confessing through a priest. It like SpiritLedEd said, the sense of hearing is essential. When you hear yourself telling all the sins you made, you became aware easier how wrong you were. Then, you feel confessing directly to God.

The important part is to repent the sin, and if you are really aware of it, and you repent, why you dont share it with a priest? To try to hide it?
 
Romans10:8-10 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach). that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

First let me say Hi and welcome to Talk Jesus mabalot...its nice to have you here with us. Your question is a very good one. Confession from our mouths tells what we believe and hold in our hearts...We believe in our hearts that Jesus is Lord and Savior and has saved us so we then want to confess that with our mouths because we want to share whats within our hearts that which we know is truth because we want others to know Jesus and His love and His truth.

When we confess our sins or wrong doings with our mouths...we do this because it is the truth that sets us free...in doing this we release the shame, hurt and aloneless that is in our hearts and make room for the saving grace which is our Lord Jesus..to let it sit and fester in our hearts would only be doing ourselves more damage but when we open our mouths to confess we know then we have nothing to hide anymore..that even though Jesus knew all along that we ourselves don't have to feel we need to keep this a secret anymore...its like cleansing of the heart if you will.

Whether its just between you and God or if its with someone you trust like your preacher, a friend or family member...for me it was my own mother that I went to. I went before God and my mom and confessed my wrongs and my shame, my saddness and when this was done I was set free...there nothing left for me to hide anymore I didn't have to fear the secrets or the shame that goes with them, because i was now free from them and Jesus entered in and brought peace to my heart like ive never known before.

I hope this somehow has answered atleast part of the question of why we confess with our mouths. God bless you my friend may our Lord bless and Keep you always.
 
To me,there is no condemenation,because simply put,we examine ourselves daily,to make sure we are indeed in Christ Jesus.2 Cor 13:5 The test is love with love,there is no fear,no would one hurt anyone else in any area of there life. But if we do nor have love,we have reason to be fearful. and so we confess not just sin,but really our fear.
 
ROMANS 8:1
[ Life Through the Spirit ] Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

If there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,
why is Confession necessary?

Are we to confess any sins before God will hear our prayers?

Thank you to all who reply.


I believe the answer is in the rest of the verse that you have quoted - "who do not walk according to flesh, but according to Spirit". It is also re-interated further down in the passage.

If we are walking according to the Spirit we have no cause for any condemnation as we are washed clean but if we sin we are guilty and we have an advocate with the Father - Jesus. If we confess our sins He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. The whole passage is in regard to not living according to the flesh but the Spirit. So therefore if your flesh is beckoning you to fight with renewing your mind - Romans 12:2. We bring thoughts into captivity and into obedience to Christ - 2 Cor 10:5. So with the mind we serve the law of the Lord - Romans 7:25 - we do not sin and there is therefore no condemnation.
 
The Revised Version correctly omits “who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.” Since the King James translation,
over 300 years ago, many., and the best, most accurate, ancient Greek manuscripts which we have, have been recovered; and
earnest, godly men have gone steadily ahead with the tedious but fruitful work of correcting errors that had crept in in copying.
For, as we all know, we have not the original manuscripts of Scripture: God has been pleased to withhold these from creatures
so prone to idolatry as the sons of men.
We must close verse 1 with the words “in Christ Jesus,” for four reasons: (1) The evidence of the Greek manuscripts is
overwhelmingly in favor of the omission of the clause “who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit” from verse 1,—as the
evidence is universally for including these words in Verse 4. (2) Spiritual discernment also agrees, for the introduction of these
words in verse I makes our safety depend upon our walk, and not upon the Spirit of God, But all in Christ Jesus are safe from
condemnation, as is plainly taught throughout the epistles. Otherwise, our security depends on our walk, and not on our position
in Christ. (3) The clause is plainly in proper place at the end of verse 4,—where the manner of the believer’s walk, not his safety,
from condemnation, is described. (4) That the clause at the end of verse 1 in the King James is a gloss (marginal note by some
copyist) appears not only from its omission by the great uncial manuscripts, Aleph, A, B, C, D, F, G; A, D (corr.); with some
good cursives and ancient versions (see Olshausen, Meyer, Alford, J. F. and B., and Darby’s excellent discussion in his Synopsis,
in loc
); but it also appears from the similarity of this gloss to like additions made through legal fear, found in other passages.
That God chose to have His Word translated and still authoritative is seen from the use in the New Testament of the Greek
translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, the Septuagint.
We should thank God for those devoted men who have spent their lifetimes in profound study of the manuscripts God has
left us, and who have given us so marvelously perfect a translation as we have. We should distinguish such scholars absolutely
and forever from the arrogant “Modernists” (or, in former days, the “Higher Critics”). who undertake to tell us what God ought
to say in the Bible, rather than with deep humility seeking to find out what God has said.
166 Here we have at the very beginning of the chapter, one of the most common words of argument in Paul’s epistles—for (Gr. gar).
It occurs some 17 times in this Eighth Chapter, and about one half as many in Chapter Seven, etc. In general, it assigns the
reason
. Let us not be among those who avoid Paul’s epistles because of the mental attention they demand. Most people would
rather read a novel or go to the picture shows than study. A chapter with 17 “fors” in it, is closely knit, and must be patiently
followed. Unmeasured blessing will result.
 
Confession (3671) (homologia from homoú = together
Confession (3671) (homologia from homoú = together with + légo = say) means literally the statement of the same thing and thus expresses agreement with another. It represents the open expression of one's allegiance to a proposition or a person. Such a confession is the effect of deep conviction regarding the facts (Truth). This word group (verb homologeo, noun homologia) has strong legal connotations. And so a person can confess to a charge in court and thus openly acknowledge guilt. Or one may agree with a court order and thus make a legally binding commitment to abide by it. This last sense is implied in passages that call on us to acknowledge Jesus. We are to express our binding commitment to Jesus publicly and thus acknowledge our relationship to Him as our Lord. John puts the importance of this issue succinctly: In secular documents from New Testament times the related verb homologeo was commonly used to denote agreements between two parties and thus is very common in our sources in the sense "contract," "agreement." In legal formulas it meant to "give consent" to something. Another use of the word was to "acknowledge" or "publicly declare." The noun homologia is found only 6 times in Scripture...2Co 9:13 1Ti 6:12 1Ti 6:13 Hebrews 3:1 Hebrews 4:14 Hebrews 10:23 ;Homologia is used 5 times in the Septuagint (LXX) (Lev. 22:18; Deut. 12:17; Jer. 44:25; Ezek. 46:12; Amos 4:5)
Confess (3670) (homologeo from homoú)
Confess (3670) (homologeo from homoú = together with + légo = say) means to say the same and so to agree in one's statement. Homologeo means to express openly one's allegiance to a proposition or a person, in this context the person of Christ. It is a statement of identification, faith, confidence, and trust. Outward confession stems from a profound inward conviction.Homologeo has strong legal connotations. As a judicial term, the word indicates the binding and public declaration which settles a relationship with legal force. A person can confess to a charge in court and thus openly acknowledge guilt. Or one may agree with a court order and thus make a legally binding commitment to abide by it. This last sense is implied in passages like this one in Romans 10 that call on us to acknowledge Jesus. We are to express our binding commitment to Jesus publicly thus acknowledging our relationship to Him as our Lord and Savior.
to speak the same thing" (homos, "same," lego, "to speak"),
 
I come from an Orthodox-Catholic and family, confessions to priest was never something I liked, I avoided it and I never agreed with it. I stopped going to the Catholic church because I thought they followed their own thing and not just the Bible. We need to confess our sins to Jesus, He is our highest priest and if we believe with our heart, and confess with our tongue, we are forgiven.
 
The Revised Version correctly omits “who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.” Since the King James translation,





over 300 years ago, many., and the best, most accurate, ancient Greek manuscripts which we have, have been recovered; and
earnest, godly men have gone steadily ahead with the tedious but fruitful work of correcting errors that had crept in in copying.
For, as we all know, we have not the original manuscripts of Scripture: God has been pleased to withhold these from creatures
so prone to idolatry as the sons of men.
We must close verse 1 with the words “in Christ Jesus,” for four reasons: (1) The evidence of the Greek manuscripts is
overwhelmingly in favor of the omission of the clause “who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit” from verse 1,—as the
evidence is universally for including these words in Verse 4. (2) Spiritual discernment also agrees, for the introduction of these
words in verse I makes our safety depend upon our walk, and not upon the Spirit of God, But all in Christ Jesus are safe from
condemnation, as is plainly taught throughout the epistles. Otherwise, our security depends on our walk, and not on our position
in Christ. (3) The clause is plainly in proper place at the end of verse 4,—where the manner of the believer’s walk, not his safety,
from condemnation, is described. (4) That the clause at the end of verse 1 in the King James is a gloss (marginal note by some
copyist) appears not only from its omission by the great uncial manuscripts, Aleph, A, B, C, D, F, G; A, D (corr.); with some

good cursives and ancient versions (see Olshausen, Meyer, Alford, J. F. and B., and Darby’s excellent discussion in his
Synopsis,

in loc


); but it also appears from the similarity of this gloss to like additions made through legal fear, found in other passages.

That God chose to have His Word translated and still authoritative is seen from the use in the New Testament of the Greek
translation of the Hebrew Old Testament, the Septuagint.
We should thank God for those devoted men who have spent their lifetimes in profound study of the manuscripts God has
left us, and who have given us so marvelously perfect a translation as we have. We should distinguish such scholars absolutely
and forever from the arrogant “Modernists” (or, in former days, the “Higher Critics”). who undertake to tell us what God ought
to say in the Bible, rather than with deep humility seeking to find out what God has said.








166

Here we have at the very beginning of the chapter, one of the most common words of argument in Paul’s epistles—for (Gr. gar).

It occurs some 17 times in this Eighth Chapter, and about one half as many in Chapter Seven, etc. In general, it


assigns the

reason


. Let us not be among those who avoid Paul’s epistles because of the mental attention they demand. Most people would


rather read a novel or go to the picture shows than study. A chapter with 17 “fors” in it, is closely knit, and must be patiently


followed. Unmeasured blessing will result.



May very well be the case but what do you do with the fact that the whole passage is about putting the flesh to death and walking in the Spirit. The words, "who walk according to the Spirit are reinterated in the whole chapter:


<DIR>Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace:
Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be:
Rom 8:8 and they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwelleth in you, he that raised up Christ Jesus from the dead shall give life also to your mortal bodies through his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:12 So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh:
Rom 8:13 for if ye live after the flesh, ye must die; but if by the Spirit ye put to death the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Rom 8:15 For ye received not the spirit of bondage again unto fear; but ye received the spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit himself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are children of God:
Rom 8:17 and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed to us-ward.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creation waiteth for the revealing of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but by reason of him who subjected it, in hope
Rom 8:21 that the creation itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for our adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24 For in hope were we saved: but hope that is seen is not hope: for who hopeth for that which he seeth?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that which we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Rom 8:26 And in like manner the Spirit also helpeth our infirmity: for we know not how to pray as we ought; but the Spirit himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered;
Rom 8:27 and he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Rom 8:28 And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose.
Rom 8:29 For whom he foreknew, he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren:
Rom 8:30 and whom he foreordained, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Rom 8:31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us?
Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things?
Rom 8:33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth;
Rom 8:34 who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 Even as it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
Rom 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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We find the definite article “the” in the Greek before the word Spirit, where the Holy Spirit’s person or personal action is
emphasized. But where His power, or nature as a sphere of being, and not His person, is before us, the article generally disappears.
To translate literally several instances in this chapter: The Holy Spirit is introduced in verse 2 as “the Spirit of life in Christ
Jesus”; but in verse 4, it is “who walk not according to flesh but according to Spirit.” In verse 5, “they that are according to
Spirit, the things of the Spirit.” Here “according to Spirit” is a matter of characterizing; whereas in “the things of the Spirit,” the
Holy Spirit’s person is brought to the fore. He has certain things—“the things of God none knoweth save the Spirit of God” (II
Cor. 2:11). Again, in Romans 8:9, “Ye are not in flesh but in Spirit.”
 
Rom 8:6 The King James rendering in this verse is hopelessly obscure. God does not say that “to be
carnally minded” is death, but that the mind of the flesh, in which they are, is death. Further, He
does not say, “to be spiritually minded is life and peace,” as if it were a state into which the believer
came; but He does say, the mind of the Spirit is life and peace. In neither case does God speak
of people, but of the flesh and of the Spirit. If you are according to Spirit, having been born of God,
there is indwelling you a mighty One, the Comforter, whose whole mind, disposition, and manner
of being and ruling within you, is life and peace. This “life” is the life of the Risen Christ, which
the Spirit, as “the Spirit of grace,” supplies (Heb. 10:29, Gal. 3:5); and this “peace” is that of Christ
as spoken of in Isaiah: “Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end.”
 
Hey, Mabalot

Peace be unto you,

( If you ever come back to this forum )

If I understand you correctly, you seem to be asking why one has to repent as a Christian when there is supposed to be no more condemnation to those in Christ, according to Romans 8:1.

I also see that you left off the "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit" part too as james g suggests to be the more reliable translation. People who believe in Once Saved, Always Saved like that some of the old texts are missing the last half of Romans 8:1 because it better fits what they believe—no longer having that conditional on the end. They don't care as long as their belief in Once Saved, Always Saved is not compromised, but you run into some real problems with contradiction in the Bible now because of the missing last half. Let's look at a couple of verses here ( for james g's sake I have used the Revised version ):

Luke 6:37 Do not judge, and you shall not be judged: do not condemn, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven:

Who was Jesus talking to here, believers or unbelievers? If you say unbelievers, then you're suggesting that all an unbeliever has to do is to not condemn or judge people and they will not have it done to them, with or without the cross. And when you see that Jesus had to have been talking to believers, the same conditional still applies to the Romans 8 verse. Which, by the way, King'sGirl, I agree with you that the rest of Romans chapter 8 continues to reiterate the missing part of verse one anyway.

I Corinthians 11:34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; so you do not come together to be condemned. And the rest I will set in order when I come.


Just in case you are one of those who maintain that Jesus taught a different message than Paul taught, who was Paul warning here not to come together into condemnation in the letter to the Corinthians? Believers or unbelievers?

I Timothy 3:6 Not a recent convert, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.

A new convert is still a saved Christian no matter how new he may be, and if a new convert can fall into condemnation ...

James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you be teachers, knowing that as such we shall be judged more strictly.

Brethren? We? Judged?

James 5:9 Do not grumble against one another, brethren, lest you be condemned: behold, the judge stands before the door.

Brethren? Condemned?

James 5:12 But above all things, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven, or by the earth, or with any other oath: but let your yes be yes; and your no, no; lest you fall into condemnation.

Brethren? And another threat of condemnation?

Romans 2:1 Therefore you are without excuse, O man, whoever you are, when you pass judgement: for when you pass judgement on another, you condemn yourself; for you who pass judgement do the same things.

Are believers incapable of judging another?

Romans 14:22 Do you have a conviction? keep it for yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in that thing which he approves.

Without the last half of Romans 8:1, explain this seeming contradiction.

Because the above verses condemn sinful works that are done by people who walk in the flesh and not the Spirit, the importance of the missing part becomes clear. Choosing to leave it out seems, to me, to cause God's word to seem errant and contradictory.


james g: Rom 8:6 The King James rendering in this verse is hopelessly obscure. God does not say that “to be
carnally minded” is death, but that the mind of the flesh
, in which they are, is death. Further, He
does not say, “to be spiritually minded is life and peace,” as if it were a state into which the believer
came; but He does say, the mind of the Spirit is life and peace. In neither case does God speak
of people, but of the flesh and of the Spirit. If you are according to Spirit, having been born of God,
there is indwelling you a mighty One, the Comforter, whose whole mind, disposition, and manner
of being and ruling within you, is life and peace. This “life” is the life of the Risen Christ, which
the Spirit, as “the Spirit of grace,” supplies (Heb. 10:29, Gal. 3:5); and this “peace” is that of Christ

as spoken of in Isaiah: “Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end.”

The way that you interpret that verse, james g, is the difference between us. Do you not feel anything that resembles peace that assures you that you have the Spirit in you? You just believe that you do and that's it, right? Nothing at all changed in your life?

Matthew 5:23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you;

Matthew 5:24 Leave your gift before the altar, and go your way; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.

And ...

Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Matthew 6:15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

I choose against the Revised version on this verse, liking the regular KJV better: Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Mabalot, get a Strong's Concordance, and study the Bible for yourself. Read and pray often. Trust in the Lord to show you what is right. If I can be of any help, let me know.


 
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Rom 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.kjv

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. kjv


Matthew 6:14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

Matthew 6:15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
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The way that you interpret that verse, james g, is the difference between us. Do you not feel anything that resembles peace that assures you that you have the Spirit in you? You just believe that you do and that's it, right? Nothing at all changed in your life?

Luke 6:37 Do not judge, and you shall not be judged: do not condemn, and you shall not be condemned: forgive, and you shall be forgiven:
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