Why do some Christians think lying is OK even little Pretty Lies & they know well That a Little, Leavens the Whole Bunch the Little damage the Whole

[PloughBoy]

The Child of God we know different.. we are not the people of This world,, They are dead to our kind of Life. it is impossible for the world to knows us.

I am beginning to think, The True Children of God could be "10,000 to 1". For every 10,000 people there is only 1 true Child of GOD
But churches are full.

Notice where a child of God mind is:
Putting on the New Self
…2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.… [ you life is hidden]


Example:
What does God say about lying to people?
Biblical passages

One of the Ten Commandments is "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour"; for this reason, lying is generally considered a sin in Christianity. The story of Naboth in 1 Kings 21 provides an example where false witness leads to an unjust outcome.

Christian views on lying - Wikipedia​

this is in "The Public Domain,"

 

[Bill Taylor]

In my personal life experience, I have many brothers and sisters that I have Points Of Issue with. I enjoy Productive Conversations on these issues but find that most people calling themselves Christian are only Pew Whales and wait to pounce and demonstrate their Complete lack of understanding of the Scriptures. These people have fallen victim to the chapter-and-verse division of the Letters from YHWH and Yashua, written to and for us to learn to live for our Creator/Savior. Too many stupid people find zero importance in the Ten Commandments, the model, none can attain but all should attempt to live because it is the perfect word-picture of the Savior we must seek to live like.

And before I forget; Pew Whale, fills their chosen pew position, every Sunday with an obvious, "Feed me, feed me," attitude but are clearly not guilty of reading the Holy Scriptures.

 

[PloughBoy]

The story of Naboth in 1 Kings 21 provides an example where false witness leads to an unjust outcome.

◄ 1 Kings 21 ►

New International Version Par ▾ Naboth’s Vineyard 1Some time later there was an incident involving a vineyard belonging to Naboth the Jezreelite. The vineyard was in Jezreel, close to the palace of Ahab king of Samaria. 2Ahab said to Naboth, “Let me have your vineyard to use for a vegetable garden, since it is close to my palace. In exchange I will give you a better vineyard or, if you prefer, I will pay you whatever it is worth.” 3But Naboth replied, “The Lord forbid that I should give you the inheritance of my ancestors.” 4So Ahab went home, sullen and angry because Naboth the Jezreelite had said, “I will not give you the inheritance of my ancestors.” He lay on his bed sulking and refused to eat. 5His wife Jezebel came in and asked him, “Why are you so sullen? Why won’t you eat?” 6He answered her, “Because I said to Naboth the Jezreelite, ‘Sell me your vineyard; or if you prefer, I will give you another vineyard in its place.’ But he said, ‘I will not give you my vineyard.’ ” 7Jezebel his wife said, “Is this how you act as king over Israel? Get up and eat! Cheer up. I’ll get you the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite.” 8So she wrote letters in Ahab’s name, placed his seal on them, and sent them to the elders and nobles who lived in Naboth’s city with him. 9In those letters she wrote: “Proclaim a day of fasting and seat Naboth in a prominent place among the people. 10But seat two scoundrels opposite him and have them bring charges that he has cursed both God and the king. Then take him out and stone him to death.” 11So the elders and nobles who lived in Naboth’s city did as Jezebel directed in the letters she had written to them. 12They proclaimed a fast and seated Naboth in a prominent place among the people. 13Then two scoundrels came and sat opposite him and brought charges against Naboth before the people, saying, “Naboth has cursed both God and the king.” So they took him outside the city and stoned him to death. 14Then they sent word to Jezebel: “Naboth has been stoned to death.” 15As soon as Jezebel heard that Naboth had been stoned to death, she said to Ahab, “Get up and take possession of the vineyard of Naboth the Jezreelite that he refused to sell you. He is no longer alive, but dead.” 16When Ahab heard that Naboth was dead, he got up and went down to take possession of Naboth’s vineyard. 17Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite: 18“Go down to meet Ahab king of Israel, who rules in Samaria. He is now in Naboth’s vineyard, where he has gone to take possession of it. 19Say to him, ‘This is what the Lord says: Have you not murdered a man and seized his property?’ Then say to him, ‘This is what the Lord says: In the place where dogs licked up Naboth’s blood, dogs will lick up your blood—yes, yours!’ ” 20Ahab said to Elijah, “So you have found me, my enemy!” “I have found you,” he answered, “because you have sold yourself to do evil in the eyes of the Lord. 21He says, ‘I am going to bring disaster on you. I will wipe out your descendants and cut off from Ahab every last male in Israel—slave or free. a 22I will make your house like that of Jeroboam son of Nebat and that of Baasha son of Ahijah, because you have aroused my anger and have caused Israel to sin.’ 23“And also concerning Jezebel the Lord says: ‘Dogs will devour Jezebel by the wall of b Jezreel.’ 24“Dogs will eat those belonging to Ahab who die in the city, and the birds will feed on those who die in the country.” 25(There was never anyone like Ahab, who sold himself to do evil in the eyes of the Lord, urged on by Jezebel his wife. 26He behaved in the vilest manner by going after idols, like the Amorites the Lorddrove out before Israel.) 27When Ahab heard these words, he tore his clothes, put on sackcloth and fasted. He lay in sackcloth and went around meekly. 28Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah the Tishbite: 29“Have you noticed how Ahab has humbled himself before me? Because he has humbled himself, I will not bring this disaster in his day, but I will bring it on his house in the days of his son.”

 

[Soyeong]

The Child of God we know different.. we are not the people of This world,, They are dead to our kind of Life. it is impossible for the world to knows us.

I am beginning to think, The True Children of God could be "10,000 to 1". For every 10,000 people there is only 1 true Child of GOD
But churches are full.

Notice where a child of God mind is:
Putting on the New Self
…2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.… [ you life is hidden]


Example:
What does God say about lying to people?
Biblical passages

One of the Ten Commandments is "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour"; for this reason, lying is generally considered a sin in Christianity. The story of Naboth in 1 Kings 21 provides an example where false witness leads to an unjust outcome.

Christian views on lying - Wikipedia​

this is in "The Public Domain,"

Some of God's laws appear to conflict with each other, such as when God commanded priests to rest on the Sabbath while also commanding them to make offerings on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10), however, it was not the case that they were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commands no matter what they chose to do, but that the lesser command was never intended to be understood as preventing the greater command from being obeyed, hence why there is so much discussion in Judaism about which is the greatest commandment. So this is why Jesus said in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests who did their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why he defended his disciples as being innocent. Likewise, this is why it is lawful to circumcise a baby on the 8th day if it happens to fall on the Sabbath or why it is lawful to get an ox or a child out of a ditch on the Sabbath.

Some Pharisees had reasoned that it is unlawful to do work on the Sabbath and that the Sabbath is work, therefore it is unlawful to heal on the Sabbath, however, no command was ever intended to prevent us from obeying the greatest two commandments, and it would not be loving our neighbor to refuse to heal someone who needed our help, which is why it was lawful for Jesus to heal on the Sabbath.

All of that being said, there are conceivable situations where someone needs to decide between following the greatest two commandments or following the commandment against bearing false witness, where they should choose to follow the greatest two commandments. However, in such a situation we should be very careful that bearing false witness is out of love and not because it is to our perceived advantage because it can be easy to justify not following God's commandments for the wrong reasons when it is to our perceived advantage not to follow them.

 

[PloughBoy]

Some of God's laws appear to conflict with each other, such as when God commanded priests to rest on the Sabbath while also commanding them to make offerings on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10), however, it was not the case that they were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commands no matter what they chose to do, but that the lesser command was never intended to be understood as preventing the greater command from being obeyed, hence why there is so much discussion in Judaism about which is the greatest commandment. So this is why Jesus said in Matthew 12:5-7 that priests who did their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why he defended his disciples as being innocent. Likewise, this is why it is lawful to circumcise a baby on the 8th day if it happens to fall on the Sabbath or why it is lawful to get an ox or a child out of a ditch on the Sabbath.

Some Pharisees had reasoned that it is unlawful to do work on the Sabbath and that the Sabbath is work, therefore it is unlawful to heal on the Sabbath, however, no command was ever intended to prevent us from obeying the greatest two commandments, and it would not be loving our neighbor to refuse to heal someone who needed our help, which is why it was lawful for Jesus to heal on the Sabbath.

All of that being said, there are conceivable situations where someone needs to decide between following the greatest two commandments or following the commandment against bearing false witness, where they should choose to follow the greatest two commandments. However, in such a situation we should be very careful that bearing false witness is out of love and not because it is to our perceived advantage because it can be easy to justify not following God's commandments for the wrong reasons when it is to our perceived advantage not to follow them.

Oh. you can lie and steal to commends His righteousness,, "But he is Going Get You" He is going tear your Behind Up!!! You see He cannot abandon His Holiness. I didn't say "grace or Mercy", I said "His Holiness" you do know, for a "CHILD OF GOD" To learn the meaning of "God's Holiness" it might take Him or her about 10 years of faithfulness to come to a small understand ing of "God's Holiness", you just can't look in a dictionary and get a definition of "The Holiness of GOD"

So go ahead "Lie" or steal to commend God's righteousness You are going to be a Genius, when he get through with you..
Romans 3 KJV
5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? 7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

You will find out ,the hard way, He can accomplish it without your lies! been here in Christ almost 50 years. it is called "Experience"
Romans 5 KJV
3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

and you are 40 years old,, and I Have been 'In Christ" almost 50 years with my nose "To the Plow". in the mud, The snow, The sand, The floods, The quick sand and "Slough of Despond" and I heard The Wolves Howl in The Night and there was not a Star in sight. The winds blew and made strange Sounds, and the bump in the night, when I could not Sleep, and you hum out "As I walk through the Valley of Darkness and heard the Hounds of death on your trail. And it is real!!! when you find that those demons are real, and they going for your soul.

Now you know what is going on, you will not be wondering about feeding the poor, and visiting the sick, when that demon jump on you, and you know you cannot tell nobody because they might lock you up in Jacket!!!! If the hounds of Hell are not on your trail, yo are not the real McCoy.



Do you feel me. When That devil grab you Soul and you feel those Talons cutting into Soul, You are Going to know it is Real. The Christian life token a completely New meaning!!! He has gotten real! And nobody can help you but Jesus!!! They did tell you about this! you know why. because, every body is not a Child of The living GOD!!! they are nothing but "Nominal christians" and the devil he is not after them! he is after you!!!!

sorry I am having Fun.

New International Version
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

 

[Soyeong]

Oh. you can lie and steal to commends His righteousness,, "But he is Going Get You" He is going tear your Behind Up!!! You see He cannot abandon His Holiness. I didn't say "grace or Mercy", I said "His Holiness" you do know, for a "CHILD OF GOD" To learn the meaning of "God's Holiness" it might take Him or her about 10 years of faithfulness to come to a small understand ing of "God's Holiness", you just can't look in a dictionary and get a definition of "The Holiness of GOD"

So go ahead "Lie" or steal to commend God's righteousness You are going to be a Genius, when he get through with you..
Romans 3 KJV
5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? 7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

You will find out ,the hard way, He can accomplish it without your lies! been here in Christ almost 50 years. it is called "Experience"
Romans 5 KJV
3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

and you are 40 years old,, and I Have been 'In Christ" almost 50 years with my nose "To the Plow". in the mud, The snow, The sand, The floods, The quick sand and "Slough of Despond" and I heard The Wolves Howl in The Night and there was not a Star in sight. The winds blew and made strange Sounds, and the bump in the night, when I could not Sleep, and you hum out "As I walk through the Valley of Darkness and heard the Hounds of death on your trail. And it is real!!! when you find that those demons are real, and they going for your soul.

Now you know what is going on, you will not be wondering about feeding the poor, and visiting the sick, when that demon jump on you, and you know you cannot tell nobody because they might lock you up in Jacket!!!! If the hounds of Hell are not on your trail, yo are not the real McCoy.



Do you feel me. When That devil grab you Soul and you feel those Talons cutting into Soul, You are Going to know it is Real. The Christian life token a completely New meaning!!! He has gotten real! And nobody can help you but Jesus!!! They did tell you about this! you know why. because, every body is not a Child of The living GOD!!! they are nothing but "Nominal christians" and the devil he is not after them! he is after you!!!!

sorry I am having Fun.

New International Version
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

I see that you're having fun, though I'm not sure how what you said relates to what I said. Can you acknowledge that God commanded priests to both rest and make offerings on the Sabbath, so needing to understand which commands are greater is inherently part of the system? In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and he walked in obedience to the Torah, so do you do that?

 

[PloughBoy]

I see that you're having fun, though I'm not sure how what you said relates to what I said. Can you acknowledge that God commanded priests to both rest and make offerings on the Sabbath, so needing to understand which commands are greater is inherently part of the system? In 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, and he walked in obedience to the Torah, so do you do that?

I am not into that years and years ago maybe in the 1980's I was. ok do as you like. I don't care. Torah march coral Lora what ever I don't care.

 

[Twistie]

Oh. you can lie and steal to commends His righteousness,, "But he is Going Get You" He is going tear your Behind Up!!! You see He cannot abandon His Holiness. I didn't say "grace or Mercy", I said "His Holiness" you do know, for a "CHILD OF GOD" To learn the meaning of "God's Holiness" it might take Him or her about 10 years of faithfulness to come to a small understand ing of "God's Holiness", you just can't look in a dictionary and get a definition of "The Holiness of GOD"

So go ahead "Lie" or steal to commend God's righteousness You are going to be a Genius, when he get through with you..
Romans 3 KJV
5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man) 6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world? 7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? 8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

You will find out ,the hard way, He can accomplish it without your lies! been here in Christ almost 50 years. it is called "Experience"
Romans 5 KJV
3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

and you are 40 years old,, and I Have been 'In Christ" almost 50 years with my nose "To the Plow". in the mud, The snow, The sand, The floods, The quick sand and "Slough of Despond" and I heard The Wolves Howl in The Night and there was not a Star in sight. The winds blew and made strange Sounds, and the bump in the night, when I could not Sleep, and you hum out "As I walk through the Valley of Darkness and heard the Hounds of death on your trail. And it is real!!! when you find that those demons are real, and they going for your soul.

Now you know what is going on, you will not be wondering about feeding the poor, and visiting the sick, when that demon jump on you, and you know you cannot tell nobody because they might lock you up in Jacket!!!! If the hounds of Hell are not on your trail, yo are not the real McCoy.



Do you feel me. When That devil grab you Soul and you feel those Talons cutting into Soul, You are Going to know it is Real. The Christian life token a completely New meaning!!! He has gotten real! And nobody can help you but Jesus!!! They did tell you about this! you know why. because, every body is not a Child of The living GOD!!! they are nothing but "Nominal christians" and the devil he is not after them! he is after you!!!!

sorry I am having Fun.

New International Version
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

Many don't understand Plough..

Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.
2
For we also have had the gospel preached to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because those who heard did not combine it with faith. [1]
3
Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, "So I declared on oath in my anger, `They shall never enter my rest.'" [2] And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world.

Twistie

 

[PloughBoy]

Title thread:

"Why do some Christians think lying is OK even little Pretty Lies & they know well That a Little, Leavens the Whole Bunch the Little damage the Whole"​

1 Peter 4:15
…14If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. 15Indeed, none of you should suffer as a murderer or thief or wrong doer, or even as a meddler. 16But if you suffer as a [follower of Christ], do not be ashamed, but glorify God that you bear that name.…


New American Standard Bible
A false witness will not go unpunished, And one who declares lies will not escape.


1 Kings 13:18
Then the prophet replied, "I too am a prophet like you, and an angel spoke to me by the word of the LORD, saying, 'Bring him back with you to your house, so that he may eat bread and drink water.'" The Old Prophet Was Lying To Him,
Trust not in men.

Proverbs 14:5
An honest witness does not deceive, but a dishonest witness pours forth lies.

16There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

1 King 13 NIV
16The man of God said, “I cannot turn back and go with you, nor can I eat bread or drink water with you in this place. 17I have been told by the word of the Lord: ‘You must not eat bread or drink water there or return by the way you came.’ ”

18The old prophet answered, “I too am a prophet, as you are. And an angel said to me by the word of the Lord: ‘Bring him back with you to your house so that he may eat bread and drink water.’ ” (But he was lying to him.) 19So the man of God returned with him and ate and drank in his house.

20While they were sitting at the table, the word of the Lord came to the old prophet who had brought him back. 21He cried out to the man of God who had come from Judah, “This is what the Lord says: ‘You have defied the word of the Lord and have not kept the command the Lord your God gave you. 22You came back and ate bread and drank water in the place where he told you not to eat or drink. Therefore your body will not be buried in the tomb of your ancestors.’ ”


Beware do not trust these so called God fearing men. and beware of their nice and charming good words. they Have taught their tongues to Lie in the Name Of JESUS.


International Standard Version Psalm 146: 3
Do not look to nobles, nor to mere human beings who cannot save.

Trust in JESUS and GOD ALONE. You need no help from another.

Psalm 23
Christian Standard Bible
A psalm of David. The LORD is my shepherd; I have what I need.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
A Davidic psalm. The LORD is my shepherd; there is nothing I lack.

American Standard Version
A Psalm of David. Jehovah is my shepherd; I shall not want.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

"Why do some Christians think lying is OK even little Pretty Lies & they know well That a Little, Leavens the Whole Bunch the Little damage the Whole"

good question.

Some even sugar coat words to impress upon others as if to be horrified by lies.

It is good that the Lord knows our hearts and is not fooled.
He also reveals lies to those who seek Him.

I know that in times past i have been found wanting, having repeated to myself a lie or two to appease the flesh, after hearing the whisperings of the enemy, taking no heed to caution that the Word declares... only to become brutally oppressed by my foolish actions, and even worse, hurting innocents in the process.

Even if we think our little lies to ourselves be private, they create ripples unseen, that manifest as tsunami in other's lives.

What good does it do the Body if we lie one to another, though?
Is it excusable in self defense?

Some schools of thought validate a little protective lie or two, if a person has had damage done or fears of being found out, or that they might be seen by others to be less than perfect.

Little they perhaps believe that confession and forgiveness heal not only the situation at hand but also the very fears and insecurities that they had, which made 'safety' excuses, for in order to feel safe.

Perhaps also they neglect that safety is in and of the Lord and if we would come unto Him we would find a Shepherd, Who protects and feeds and waters and gives much needed rest.


Bless you ....><>

 

[PloughBoy]

Greetings,



good question.

Some even sugar coat words to impress upon others as if to be horrified by lies.

It is good that the Lord knows our hearts and is not fooled.
He also reveals lies to those who seek Him.

I know that in times past i have been found wanting, having repeated to myself a lie or two to appease the flesh, after hearing the whisperings of the enemy, taking no heed to caution that the Word declares... only to become brutally oppressed by my foolish actions, and even worse, hurting innocents in the process.

Even if we think our little lies to ourselves be private, they create ripples unseen, that manifest as tsunami in other's lives.

What good does it do the Body if we lie one to another, though?
Is it excusable in self defense?

Some schools of thought validate a little protective lie or two, if a person has had damage done or fears of being found out, or that they might be seen by others to be less than perfect.

Little they perhaps believe that confession and forgiveness heal not only the situation at hand but also the very fears and insecurities that they had, which made 'safety' excuses, for in order to feel safe.

Perhaps also they neglect that safety is in and of the Lord and if we would come unto Him we would find a Shepherd, Who protects and feeds and waters and gives much needed rest.


Bless you ....><>

quote:
Some even sugar coat words to impress upon others as if to be horrified by lies.

It is good that the Lord knows our hearts and is not fooled.
He also reveals lies to those who seek Him.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the LORD are flawless, like silver refined in a furnace, like gold purified sevenfold.
Psalm 119:103
How sweet are Your words to my taste--sweeter than honey in my mouth!

Psalm 119:127
Therefore I love Your commandments more than gold, even the purest gold.

Proverbs 8:11
For wisdom is more precious than rubies, and nothing you desire compares with her.


Proverbs 24:13
Eat honey, my son, for it is good, and the honeycomb is sweet to your taste.


But that heart, he knows about that.

New American Standard Bible
“The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it?

What ever you do ,do not trust that Heart.

Mark 7:21
For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness.

Genesis 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man wasgreat in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Love the Lord GOD with all Your Right MIND and strength ! and trust not in Your HEART!! which is Desperately Wicked! God does not Change your Heart He gives us, A New SPIRIT, A heart will not Inherit Eternal Life! it is evil and no man can know. O Thank God I learn in the the late 1970's fromHis Word and He gave me Understanding. and he cannot clean your Heart, he gives you a New SPIRIT and He cleanse your Spirit when you sin and he cleans it with The washing of the "WORD."

He has taught us to guard against our hearts.

New International Version
Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.

The Heart Is Where All Evil Comes From A Man. When You Follow Your Heart You Commit Evil.

Matthew 15:18
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a man.
Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, and slander.
Mark 7:21
For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,


Never Trust Your Heart! Evil comes from it, and In the End GOD will Destroy it.

And there is only one reason a Child of God should not tell a lie,, And Only One reason only, because Our Father told us not to lie.

But the world have many reasons not to tell a lie and to tell a lie.. We only have , One reason. and that is good enough for us, because, Our Father told us not to.

is that good enough for us, for it cannot get any better than that ! Child of the LIVING GOD do you hear, what I have just said! do you hear Him? Do You HEAR HIM! because he said so, and he does not have to explain to You! To not tell a lie. what is more profitable for you to tell the truth or Tell a lie? A fool will tell a lie why would a child of GOD, tell a lie, if God is your FATHER!. I Have counsel many in my years go back and tell the TRUTH!, And tell them you lied and now you repent, and you want to tell the truth! I Had them go back to court. and they thought I was crazy, Now I am referring to a real Child of GOD, ! Not a nominal christian, I give them no counsel, I have not that authority from God to do so to nominal christians. I give them no counsel.

A Child of God, has to be a Fool to tell a lie, when your daddy is GOD!~

 

[B-A-C]

I get a little concerned when we take parts of two different verses and combine them into a new verse.

1Cor 5:1; It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife.
1Cor 5:2; You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.
1Cor 5:3; For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.
1Cor 5:4; In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
1Cor 5:5; I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Cor 5:6; Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?
1Cor 5:7; Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.
1Cor 5:8; Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
1Cor 5:9; I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
1Cor 5:10; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.
1Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

There is really nothing about lying specifically in this passage at all. Now don't get me wrong, we shouldn't lie. Lying is a sin to be sure.
But this passage about a little leaven ruining the whole lump, doesn't mention lying anywhere.

This passage is more about the company you keep. Don't hang around with people who say they are "Christian brothers" but live in sin.
Removing these false Christians, is how we remove the leaven.

1Cor 15:33; Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals."

 

[PloughBoy]

I get a little concerned when we take parts of two different verses and combine them into a new verse.

1Cor 5:1; It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father's wife.
1Cor 5:2; You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.
1Cor 5:3; For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present.
1Cor 5:4; In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
1Cor 5:5; I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Cor 5:6; Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough?
1Cor 5:7; Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed.
1Cor 5:8; Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
1Cor 5:9; I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people;
1Cor 5:10; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world.
1Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.
1Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
1Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

There is really nothing about lying specifically in this passage at all. Now don't get me wrong, we shouldn't lie. Lying is a sin to be sure.
But this passage about a little leaven ruining the whole lump, doesn't mention lying anywhere.

This passage is more about the company you keep. Don't hang around with people who say they are "Christian brothers" but live in sin.
Removing these false Christians, is how we remove the leaven.

1Cor 15:33; Do not be deceived: "Bad company corrupts good morals."

I am going to say it again to a child of the living GOD and You speak to your Father everyday every night every hour And God is you Father, why do you have to lie?? And you have a personally relationship with Him,,Why do you have to Lie about anything? Somebody is lying about GOD. and they got to lie and make excuses.

i would never pray to a God that i have to lie about something and he is my Father!

 

[Hekuran]

I am going to say it again to a child of the living GOD and You speak to your Father everyday every night every hour And God is you Father, why do you have to lie?? And you have a personally relationship with Him,,Why do you have to Lie about anything? Somebody is lying about GOD. and they got to lie and make excuses.

i would never pray to a God that i have to lie about something and he is my Father!

I think you're aiming at the wrong target @PloughBoy. @B-A-C has been on these forums for a long time and has earned his reputation for being straightforward, honest and true.

 

[PloughBoy]

I would never question God top hand man! I am quite sure I would never be endured, which should wisdom and manesfestions of GOD given gifts to me. For I am retired from the ministry he has given me, for over 8 -10 years. I would not dare think I am better that God's other man. I know I cannot complete with God's best.


NASB 1977
Do nothing from selfishness or empty conceit, but with humility of mind let each of you regard one another as more important than himself;


Being of the lessor brother growing up in Detroit, mi is humbling enough since I have been a small child. you should try being and growing up "Black" and see how much pride is in you. for over 70 years, you do not forget, And that Devil will not let you forget every day of your life, your children life, you bear their shame too and their tears too. and sorrows for being the color of their skin too. and if not for Jesus Christ I am nothing nothing . No white person want to here my words of shame and pain. because the color of My skin and how they treated me and my children. and my mother and father. They do not want to here it. But GOD did, yes he Did and the others hatred the words I spoke to GOD about it all.


every time I write some thing about My life as being a black man or my mother or father on how Jesus Christ help us, they deleted it off of Talk Jesus especially The moderator Bear! They do not want nothing good to be said what Jesus has Done for the black Families of GOD!

and they will delete this off too!

Christians do not even know that christianity started in Africa and Jesus was Born in Bethlehem that was in "North east Africa" and not the middle east. It was "North East Africa before the name middle east even existed.


Jesus Christ was born in "North East Africa", Bethlehem.

I do not care where he was born, but I do like to know " The TRUTH"
"The Truth" means A lot to me!
you have me so Leary of writing anything about my black family. Why do you delete the stories about my black family, I love them, just like you love yours.
This world is not going to take this stuff to long,,the world is getting fed up..The world loves their own, and the whites will fight for their black brothers and sisters in this world.

Like my mother has said, if that white man get on your side and he is for God can no other white man stop you! From attacking that devil! who attacks us all! My enemy is the devil not the man, but I have became "Bears" enemy and he is attacking me, because I am against the devil and all of The enemies of the "Sons of the Living GOD" and no-one is saying anything but a few and only a few is praying for me, against this enemy that is lurking in dark places.

Ephesians 6 ASV
17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
18with all prayer and supplication praying at all seasons in the Spirit, and watching thereunto in all perseverance and supplication for all the saints, 19And on my behalf, that utterance may be given unto me in opening my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

I am Battling for The Saints of GOD and not nominal christians in church buildings!

 

[PloughBoy]

Normal way of life for a black man

 

[PloughBoy]

Do not delete this. this is for edifingy

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

"edifingy" [edifying] or making noise and using racism to justify something that does not need justifying?
Such avenues of reply are not needed and not welcome.

@PloughBoy Please take a break and consider your double talk and your over reaction to other members, especially anyone who questions what you write.
Perhaps resist logging in for two weeks?


Bless you and yours ....><>

ps.. I am well aware that you delight in the Lord. Please be assured that most members here at TalkJesus do likewise.
Can a particular member say to another that they have no need of them? Of Whose Body do we belong, who believe in the Son of God?
How does one become a son but by grace with faith in Him Who gave Himself that we might be quickened and translated out of darkness into His glorious Light?
It is He Who gives increase and increase He does, to all His Body according to His will and for His pleasure, not ours.

We can fight and bicker and asccuse all day long but does that bring glory to Him, Who only deserves praise and Who alone can justify?

Our Father.
Not mine nor yours, but our Father.

What fruit are we known by?

While i am aware of your early Christian days and your much learning and your testimony of God's work in your life, please remember that each has his/her story to tell and while it is good to tell others what the Lord has done, we ought do so in love, unfeigned and pure, from pure hearts.
Who can produce a pure heart in us? Not I and not you. But Him Who has called us and welcomes faith in His Son.

Let us press on to the high calling we have and put those things that so easily provoke and defile our testimony aside, that the name of our Lord be magnified by our love for one another, His Body and His people; His glory

....><>

 

[Garee]

Like my mother has said, if that white man get on your side and he is for God can no other white man stop you! From attacking that devil! who attacks us all! My enemy is the devil not the man, but I have became "Bears" enemy and he is attacking me, because I am against the devil and all of The enemies of the "Sons of the Living GOD" and no-one is saying anything but a few and only a few is praying for me, against this enemy that is lurking in dark places.

Ephesians 6 ASV
17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God
18with all prayer and supplication praying at all seasons in the Spirit, and watching thereunto in all perseverance and supplication for all the saints, 19And on my behalf, that utterance may be given unto me in opening my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel, 20for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.

I am Battling for The Saints of GOD and not nominal christians in church buildings!

I would think turning your weapons' of warfare against as it seems "nominal Christians" into gospel plow could bring comfort yoked with Christ, the Spirit of God. The same Spirit that works in mankind. . . to both will and do the good pleasure of our God.

With Him we can rest from our own labor . .and have a living hope of a new incorruptible body after the grave .

Some like Jesus the Son of man according to his dying flesh did know Christ that worked in him. . empowering him to do the will of the Father..

But as born again sons of God we are not what we will be neither male nor female Jew nor gentile . no shades of color or mind set.

2 Corinthians 5:16-17 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is

Pray for one another. Let the Holy Spirit give us His rest. .

Not the accuser of the brethren called the Legion (many gods) he looks to accuse each other based on dying fleshly things and not the mercy mixed with grace. . .

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Skin color discrimination is a spiritual issue of light and darkness .It would seem the father of lies uses it as a false sign of what is good and what not turning the will of God upside down. . . inspired earthly taking away the understanding of the Potter. . .God never called darkness or night good. Satan uses it to his hateful advantage. Just a swith women its a Mans world .that does not show it uses the flesh of nations in a similar way. It's a white people's world with nothing to show other than anger . . .again making it about the flesh what the eyes see as the god of this world spoken of in 1 John. . the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh the building blocks of false pride. (1 John 2:16)


Genesis 1;1-4 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Not light skinned mankind compared to darker skin. . shades of melanin . That seemed to occur at the Tower of Babble .Again Satan the murderer from the beginning using it to promote murdering mankind he hates all flesh subject to salvation. . .

Acts17:24-27 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

 

[Brother Paul]

The Child of God we know different.. we are not the people of This world,, They are dead to our kind of Life. it is impossible for the world to knows us.

I am beginning to think, The True Children of God could be "10,000 to 1". For every 10,000 people there is only 1 true Child of GOD
But churches are full.

Notice where a child of God mind is:
Putting on the New Self
…2Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.… [ you life is hidden]


Example:
What does God say about lying to people?
Biblical passages

One of the Ten Commandments is "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour"; for this reason, lying is generally considered a sin in Christianity. The story of Naboth in 1 Kings 21 provides an example where false witness leads to an unjust outcome.

Christian views on lying - Wikipedia​

this is in "The Public Domain,"

Yes but do not forget, Rehab lied because she believed God. She saved the Israelites and helped them win through which eventually Messiah could be born.