Why is it so hard for most christians cannot believe That Jesus is The WORD of GOD and That He is The GOD of The OT and The Creator Of Heaven & Earth

[PloughBoy]

And that Jesus The Anointed One, Is the Creator Of the devil and all of The Angels, All and not some but all. The demons and The Devil are Angels. Why they Cannot believe The Voice that spoke to Moses was JESUS that Spoke out of The Bush that was burning and not consumed, Why cannot they believe, that Jesus IS "The Eternal "I AM" For Jesus is also, "THE GOD" in THE Old Testament, He is The GOD of ABRAHAM , ISAAC and JACOB and that JESUS is Not THE FATHER but THE SON OF The GOD ALMIGHTY" who is Our FATHER "INDICATIVE" Who establish us Before ALL CREATION and sent HIS only Son into The WORLD to REDEEM US and Not the PEOPLE of THIS WORLD. HE had a mission to accomplish and that Mission was To REDEEM every One THAT GOD sent him here to Redeem. and he will redeem The ALL, and He will not lose not even One that The FATHER has given HIM.

New American Standard Bible

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John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2[a]He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him John 1 New American Standard Biblenot even onething came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [c]grasp it.

John 8
58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, "I AM.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and left the temple grounds.

John 14
New American Standard Bible
You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away, and I am coming to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I am going to the Father, For The Father Is Greater Than I.

Next post, POST 2 please and read its entirety.

 

[PloughBoy]

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Berean Standard Bible Par ▾ 1When Jesus had spoken these things, He lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son may glorify You. 2For You granted Him authority over all people,a so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. 3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent. 4I have glorified You on earth by accomplishing the work You gave Me to do. 5And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed. Prayer for the Disciples of The GOD the Father had given CHRIST His WORDS ARE INDICATIVE! In other words it is a "DONE DEAL" and complete! For the Septics that do not Know The Languages of GOD as it written in The BIBLE. [For in the gospels as he walked the earth as they heard they really didn't believe, But in The Theological is a sure deal, the "Parakletos" was coming without fail, To Empower them what The LORD had told and taught them, to Quicken Them, to what He had Spoken. Without Power there cannot be a "TRUE WITNESS" It must be carried Out by a "TRUE MESSENGER" Who has been Empowered from on HIGH! And others are not nothing but a False messenger and not sent by GOD, to carry "The GOSPEL ACCORDING TO Jesus Christ" but they might be a messenger to carry a message about Jesus by a mere man.] 6I have revealed Your name to those You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours; You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7Now they know that everything You have given Me comes from You. 8For I have given them the words You gave Me, and they have received them. They knew with certainty that I came from You, and they believed that You sent Me. 9I ask on their behalf. I do not ask on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those You have given Me; for they are Yours. 10All I have is Yours, and all You have is Mine; and in them I have been glorified.11I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to You. Holy Father, protect them by Your name, the name You gave Me,b so that they may be one as We are one. 12While I was with them, I protected and preserved them by Your name, the name You gave Me. Not one of them has been lost, except the son of destruction, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. 13But now I am coming to You; and I am saying these things while I am in the world, so that they may have My joy fulfilled within them. 14I have given them Your word and the world has hated them; for they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 15I am not asking that You take them out of the world, but that You keep them from the evil one.c16They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17Sanctify them by the truth; Your word is truth. 18As You sent Me into the world, I have also sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify Myself, so that they too may be sanctified by the truth. The Prayer for All The Believers that Believe in CHRIST through Their MESSAGE! The original ones The true Apostles of GOD 20I am not asking on behalf of them alone, but also on behalf of those who will believe in Me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I am in You. May they also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22I have given them the glory You gave Me, so that they may be one as We are one— 23I in them and You in Me—that they may be perfectly united, so that the world may know that You sent Me and have loved them just as You have loved Me. 24Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25Righteous Father, although the world has not known You, I know You, and they know that You sent Me. 26And I have made Your name known to them and will continue to make it known, so that the love You have for Me may be in them, and I in them.”

 

[Mutant]

And that Jesus The Anointed One, Is the Creator Of the devil and all of The Angels, All and not some but all. The demons and The Devil are Angels. Why they Cannot believe The Voice that spoke to Moses was JESUS that Spoke out of The Bush that was burning and not consumed, Why cannot they believe, that Jesus IS "The Eternal "I AM" For Jesus is also, "THE GOD" in THE Old Testament, He is The GOD of ABRAHAM , ISAAC and JACOB and that JESUS is Not THE FATHER but THE SON OF The GOD ALMIGHTY" who is Our FATHER "INDICATIVE" Who establish us Before ALL CREATION and sent HIS only Son into The WORLD to REDEEM US and Not the PEOPLE of THIS WORLD. HE had a mission to accomplish and that Mission was To REDEEM every One THAT GOD sent him here to Redeem. and he will redeem The ALL, and He will not lose not even One that The FATHER has given HIM.

New American Standard Bible

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John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2[a]He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him John 1 New American Standard Biblenot even onething came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. 5And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not [c]grasp it.

John 8
58Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly I say to you, before Abraham was born, "I AM.” 59Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus hid Himself and left the temple grounds.

John 14
New American Standard Bible
You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away, and I am coming to you.’ If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I am going to the Father, For The Father Is Greater Than I.

Next post, POST 2 please and read its entirety.

Oh, where to start. Why is it so hard for people to believe that Jesus is God? Maybe, because it is not written anywhere in scripture that Jesus is God.

John 1:1 is not proof of Jesus being God, preexisting or in any way the same as God. If John 1:1 is read as it is, it says "In the beginning was the word". The first question is what is the word? In Greek it is logos. Is this some mystical way to refer to Jesus as God? It would be a mistake if we did. Logos is defined reason, discourse, speech, plan, thought. Nowhere can I find it defined as Jesus being God.

Now, if I bring in the philosophy of Plato, or the writings of Filo I can get there, but I have suspend reason, logic and common sense.

If the Bible is taken at face value without outside, Hellenistic influences the word is just a word and Jesus, being God's son, is an exceptional man sent to bring us the message his Father assigned him to bring.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Oh, where to start. Why is it so hard for people to believe that Jesus is God? Maybe, because it is not written anywhere in scripture that Jesus is God.

John 1:1 is not proof of Jesus being God, preexisting or in any way the same as God. If John 1:1 is read as it is, it says "In the beginning was the word". The first question is what is the word? In Greek it is logos. Is this some mystical way to refer to Jesus as God? It would be a mistake if we did. Logos is defined reason, discourse, speech, plan, thought. Nowhere can I find it defined as Jesus being God.

Now, if I bring in the philosophy of Plato, or the writings of Filo I can get there, but I have suspend reason, logic and common sense.

If the Bible is taken at face value without outside, Hellenistic influences the word is just a word and Jesus, being God's son, is an exceptional man sent to bring us the message his Father assigned him to bring.

Dear Mutant,
Before getting too deeply into this, I hope you have read the site's statement of faith (SOF), which can be found by link, at the bottom of each page.
We too often get a variety of individuals from a wide range of backgrounds and faiths, who decide they rather have discussions of their own beliefs, all the while they disregarding the SOF which they agreed to abide by in joining Talk Jesus.

Of course, there is always a leeway given in these discussions, but it is always a good idea to be reminded of when one is posting.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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