Why No One Can Hear the Word of God Any More

[GodB4Us]

I blame it on the many modern Bible versions as many say that not all Bibles are saying the same thing.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. 13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst. 14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

How are they fainting for thirst? Those slain in the spirit & holy laughter movement and any phenomenal assumed claim of the Holy Spirit where saved believers or new believers lose self control & fall in do so by believing they are receiving the Holy Spirit again by that sign or by that phenomenon. That is why Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father by and no sign will be given any one except His burial & resurrection on the third day.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And if you note Amos 8:14, USA is a nation that swears a lot and on the Bible too.

This judgment in Revelation prophesied of USA as that Babylon that causes many to commit fornication; not only physically, but spiritually as sinning unto the Bridegroom. Revelation 18:1-13 KJV

It was the Nicene creed of 318 A.D. that had broadened the way in the worship place to include the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son for how many saved believers go astray when spirits of the antichrist come in and seduce them into chasing after them thinking those visitations are the Holy Spirit to receive by a sign, even by that sign of tongues which does not come with interpretation because it is not the real God's gift of tongues.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Tongues for private use is the voice of strangers.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: ...........

That is how saved believers in Babylon USA are committing fornication unto the Bridegroom in these latter days where faith is hard to find and many faint and fall for not heeding His words. Matthew 7:13-27 KJV

The solution to avoid that iniquity and those phenomenon that comes by that iniquity, is to narrow the way back to the straight gate with no partiality by only honoring the Son in worship in order to honor the Father.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

When modern Bibles are not all saying the same thing, it is no wonder why many saved believers are falling away from the faith and are at risk of being left behind as doubts are sown in the word of God as if God really meant that.

 

[Samson2020]

I blame it on the many modern Bible versions as many say that not all Bibles are saying the same thing.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: 12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. 13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst. 14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.

How are they fainting for thirst? Those slain in the spirit & holy laughter movement and any phenomenal assumed claim of the Holy Spirit where saved believers or new believers lose self control & fall in do so by believing they are receiving the Holy Spirit again by that sign or by that phenomenon. That is why Jesus is the only way to come to God the Father by and no sign will be given any one except His burial & resurrection on the third day.

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

And if you note Amos 8:14, USA is a nation that swears a lot and on the Bible too.

This judgment in Revelation prophesied of USA as that Babylon that causes many to commit fornication; not only physically, but spiritually as sinning unto the Bridegroom. Revelation 18:1-13 KJV

It was the Nicene creed of 318 A.D. that had broadened the way in the worship place to include the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son for how many saved believers go astray when spirits of the antichrist come in and seduce them into chasing after them thinking those visitations are the Holy Spirit to receive by a sign, even by that sign of tongues which does not come with interpretation because it is not the real God's gift of tongues.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Tongues for private use is the voice of strangers.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door: ...........

That is how saved believers in Babylon USA are committing fornication unto the Bridegroom in these latter days where faith is hard to find and many faint and fall for not heeding His words. Matthew 7:13-27 KJV

The solution to avoid that iniquity and those phenomenon that comes by that iniquity, is to narrow the way back to the straight gate with no partiality by only honoring the Son in worship in order to honor the Father.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

When modern Bibles are not all saying the same thing, it is no wonder why many saved believers are falling away from the faith and are at risk of being left behind as doubts are sown in the word of God as if God really meant that.

It was prophesied so who do you think is bringing it to fruition?

 

[Samson2020]

Romans 9:18 "Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth."

 

[God's Truth]

We are given hearing by obeying God.

Many teach faith alone, and many who teach to obey they teach things God says not to do.

 

[GodB4Us]

It was prophesied so who do you think is bringing it to fruition?

The Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 9:18 "Therefore hath He mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardeneth."

Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

I can see it be the Lord's will to have vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wrath fitted to destruction in being damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, vessels of mercy in testifying to the power of God in salvation for all who believe in Him, even in His name.

Thanks for sharing. He will help me to let go when it is time to go when the Bridegroom comes since it is His ministry and I am nothing in that regard. I trust Him to take me no matter what I am in the middle of, like making this post.

 

[God's Truth]

The Lord Jesus Christ.



Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

I can see it be the Lord's will to have vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wrath fitted to destruction in being damned as vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth, vessels of mercy in testifying to the power of God in salvation for all who believe in Him, even in His name.

Thanks for sharing. He will help me to let go when it is time to go when the Bridegroom comes since it is His ministry and I am nothing in that regard. I trust Him to take me no matter what I am in the middle of, like making this post.

Those scriptures are about WHY God hardened Pharaoh and why God hardened some of the Jews while Jesus walked the earth.

God hardened Pharaoh so he wouldn't believe and release the Israelites because God wanted Pharaoh punished, and, God hardened SOME of the Jews while Jesus walked the earth because Jesus was to come first for the lost sheep of Israel. Not all Jews were called lost sheep, only the Jews who obeyed God and had faith in Him before Jesus came.
Not all Jews had faith in God, for they only had to be circumcised in the flesh and adhere to the rest of the works of the law which are the purification works. The old law was not based on faith, but the new law is.

The cut off Jews can be grafted in since the time of the New Testament in the Bible, if they come to in obedience to Jesus, which requires faith.

 

[Samson2020]

Thanks for sharing. He will help me to let go when it is time to go when the Bridegroom comes since it is His ministry and I am nothing in that regard. I trust Him to take me no matter what I am in the middle of, like making this post.

Like your thread title says WHY NO ONE CAN HEAR THE WORD OF GOD, it should be why only a FEW can hear.
The times and the seasons are not here yet so your going nowhere any time soon unless you were to die in the flesh.

Those scriptures are about WHY God hardened Pharaoh and why God hardened some of the Jews while Jesus walked the earth.

God hardened Pharaoh so he wouldn't believe and release the Israelites because God wanted Pharaoh punished, and, God hardened SOME of the Jews while Jesus walked the earth because Jesus was to come first for the lost sheep of Israel. Not all Jews were called lost sheep, only the Jews who obeyed God and had faith in Him before Jesus came.
Not all Jews had faith in God, for they only had to be circumcised in the flesh and adhere to the rest of the works of the law which are the purification works. The old law was not based on faith, but the new law is.

The cut off Jews can be grafted in since the time of the New Testament in the Bible, if they come to in obedience to Jesus, which requires faith.

While what you say is true about God hardening Pharaoh, it still holds true to this day. As was mentioned earlier "He hath mercy on whom He will, and whom he will He hardeneth"

I am the LORD and I change not! Mal 3:6

 

[God's Truth]

While what you say is true about God hardening Pharaoh, it still holds true to this day. As was mentioned earlier "He hath mercy on whom He will, and whom he will He hardeneth"

I am the LORD and I change not! Mal 3:6

God says that ALL the Jews can be grafted back in IF they start to have faith...the Jews who obviously knew we had to OBEY God didn't all have faith in Him, they just did the purification works of the law and that is all it took back then. Those Jews were cut off WHILE Jesus walked the earth, but when Jesus was lifted up from the earth, crucified, then the cut off Jews could get grafted back in if they come with obedience and faith to Jesus Christ.

That could be any Jew to this day.

 

[God's Truth]

God says that ALL the Jews can be grafted back in IF they start to have faith...the Jews who obviously knew we had to OBEY God didn't all have faith in Him, they just did the purification works of the law and that is all it took back then. Those Jews were cut off WHILE Jesus walked the earth, but when Jesus was lifted up from the earth, crucified, then the cut off Jews could get grafted back in if they come with obedience and faith to Jesus Christ.

That could be any Jew to this day.

@Samson2020

Want to also say that Paul spoke to the Jews who would wonder why God hardened them for not having faith when the Gentiles were given mercy---even though they were ENEMIES of God's for not obeying God and coming into the covenant with Him.

God is all wise and knows what He is doing.

 

[Samson2020]

Those Jews were cut off WHILE Jesus walked the earth, but when Jesus was lifted up from the earth, crucified, then the cut off Jews could get grafted back in if they come with obedience and faith to Jesus Christ.

That could be any Jew to this day.

Everybody was cut off from the promises until after the New Testament was ratified by the death of Jesus.
The Jews are blinded in part until the fullness of the Gentiles come in.
Keep in mind that several Jews such as Peter, Mark, luke, Matthew, John, James etc... were the first to be born again.
His death made the two, one new man. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, free nor bond, neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
No man can come to the Son except the Father which sent Jesus, draw Him. Thus it is and always will be up to God to decide who, when, and where each soul will come to His Son.

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time, His (Gods) righteousness: that He (God) might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Without faith given from the Father you will not come to Jesus, therefore you will not realize you have been justified until that happens. Which still leaves everything in Gods hands,
and seeing as "He works all things after the counsel of His own will", this fits perfectly.

Romans 5:18 "Consequently just as one trespass RESULTED IN CONDEMNATION FOR ALL people, so also one righteous act RESULTED IN JUSTIFICATION AND LIFE FOR ALL PEOPLE."

NOW WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE ONE RIGHTEOUS ACT WAS, AND IT IS A FINISHED PRODUCT. BUT THE JUSTIFICATION PROCESS INVOLVES THAT FAITH GIVEN ACCORDING TO
GRACE FROM THE FATHER TO BELIEVE. THUS GOD IS IN COMPLETE CONTROL AND WILL EVENTUALLY JUSTIFY ALL THROUGH THAT SAME FAITH ONCE IT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ALL.

1 Co 15:22-23 As in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be MADE ALIVE. But EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER........................
1 Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is DEATH. That will happen when the last human has received his/her justification through faith and come
into life purchased by that one righteous act spoken of in Romans 5:18

It's completely up to God who comes and when. After all I chose you, you did not choose me. The secret is that he chose us ALL before the foundation of the
world and also promised eternal life to the same ALL. Otherwise you would not exist.

Now maybe you can see that disobedience is by design (Mystery of Iniquity) to mature Gods elect, but eventually all the disobedient will be obedient according to the Fathers timing.
We do not know what the specific timing is for each dispensation, but to miss the end of the first one might require several thousand years in the grave, another life time on earth as
a human, even being a vessel to disobedience while the wrath of God abides on you, while another group of elect are matured and come into life.
This is why Paul did not want to be left out of the first and better resurrection. And if one were to study hard enough you would find that even though all are thrown into the lake of fire
in Revelation, they are judged according to their works prior to being put back in to the fire. This is not an eternal torment but an AGE long torment that lasts only until the Father gives
faith for the one to believe unto salvation. A second harvest. It is only in this way that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father.
There is no glory in a never ending torment but there is glory is bringing many sons unto glory that look, act, think, and do just as their Father.
After all "I said, Ye are gods, and ALL of YOU ARE CHILDREN of the Most High."
It;s only a matter of time dispensations until this becomes reality as God calls it as it will be.

 

[Samson2020]

God is all wise and knows what He is doing.

Agreed. And He reveals His secrets to those that really want to know, and spend the time to find them.

Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter."

 

[GodB4Us]

Like your thread title says WHY NO ONE CAN HEAR THE WORD OF GOD, it should be why only a FEW can hear.

I agree.

The times and the seasons are not here yet so your going nowhere any time soon unless you were to die in the flesh.

I disagree.

2 Thessalonians 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first,...........

Those who preach another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues ( and it used to be known as the other baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues ) which does not come with interpretation and thus assumed in error that it is for private use are preaching the same rudiment that others lose self control over in slain in the spirit and holy laughter movement as they look for the visitations of the "Holy Spirit" by those sensational signs in the flesh too,

The irony is that those who use tongues for private use will judge slain in the spirit and holy laughter movement as not of Him at all but yet it is by the same rudiment, the very same tree that they got tongues for private use by; receiving the Holy Ghost by a sign apart from salvation or for proof of salvation and yet tongues were not to serve in that capacity towards the believers as proof or a as sign for anything but only towards the unbelievers 1 Corinthians 14:21-22 KJV.

And this apostate calling has gone out from media USA by how other nations are committing acts of fornication against the Bridegroom per Matthew 12:39-40 KJV & Revelations 18:1-13 KJV

The iniquity of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son is everywhere because of that ecumenical creed of 381 A.D. as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles. The solution is to only honor the Son in worship if any one wishes to honor the Father John 5:22-23 KJV & Philippians 2:5-11 KJV thus striving to enter through that straight gate to avoid that iniquity and thereby the hope in Him that we are abiding in Him in all things before the Bridegroom comes or else risk being left behind from the Marriage Supper with the O.T. saints Luke 13:24-30 KJV So in an era of mass media where everyone is following the crowd for signs & wonders, many go in the broad way and fall Matthew 7:13-27 KJV.

Best keep our eyes on the Bridegroom because that is Who the indwelling Holy Ghost is pointing us to go to in living that reconciled relationship with the Father through Jesus Christ; I am praying my Good Shepherd will help keep my eyes on him thru the Holy Spirit in me and not allow the spirit of the antichrist out there take my eyes off of the Son which is what an antichrist does.. "instead of Christ" as in "instead of the Son".

 

[God's Truth]

Agreed. And He reveals His secrets to those that really want to know, and spend the time to find them.

Proverbs 25:2 "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter."

That is right, so let's talk and I'll show you where you are wrong.

 

[Samson2020]

Those who preach another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues ( and it used to be known as the other baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues ) which does not come with interpretation and thus assumed in error that it is for private use are preaching the same rudiment that others lose self control over in slain in the spirit and holy laughter movement as they look for the visitations of the "Holy Spirit" by those sensational signs in the flesh too,

You seem to have a one doctrine mind, that of second Holy Ghost baptism being a falling away. It may just be a deception. But in the world there is no mark of the beast as there is no global cooperation, and until that starts to gel the great tribulation doesn't even begin for the first 1/2 of the anti Christs rule. So show me where you believe, other than second drink where anything
lines up to support your any day now idea.

also keep in mind that as we get closer and closer the miracles, signs and wonders should decieve even the very elect IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. It 's not going to be so simple as you imply.

 

[Samson2020]

That is right, so let's talk and I'll show you where you are wrong.

Fire away!

 

[God's Truth]

Everybody was cut off from the promises until after the New Testament was ratified by the death of Jesus.

The Jews who already had faith were NOT cut off.

The Jews are blinded in part until the fullness of the Gentiles come in.

That already happened.

Keep in mind that several Jews such as Peter, Mark, luke, Matthew, John, James etc... were the first to be born again.

That's right, and that proves not all Jews were cut off.
And, Paul getting saved proves that Jews can be grafted in.

His death made the two, one new man. Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, free nor bond, neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
No man can come to the Son except the Father which sent Jesus, draw Him.

You are mixing up scriptures now.
You are mixing up God drawing only the NOT cut off Jews, the lost sheep, with Jesus drawing ALL later when he is crucified. We are ALL drawn to him by his loving kindness...Jesus dying for us. HOWEVER, some still resist, and that is on their own freewill, though, God can harden people when He wants.

Thus it is and always will be up to God to decide who, when, and where each soul will come to His Son.

You are getting that Calvin and Luther thing mixed in and it doesn't belong anywhere ANYWHERE in the scriptures.

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time, His (Gods) righteousness: that He (God) might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Without faith given from the Father you will not come to Jesus, therefore you will not realize you have been justified until that happens. Which still leaves everything in Gods hands,

No such thing that you speak.

and seeing as "He works all things after the counsel of His own will", this fits perfectly.

Romans 5:18 "Consequently just as one trespass RESULTED IN CONDEMNATION FOR ALL people, so also one righteous act RESULTED IN JUSTIFICATION AND LIFE FOR ALL PEOPLE."

NOW WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE ONE RIGHTEOUS ACT WAS, AND IT IS A FINISHED PRODUCT. BUT THE JUSTIFICATION PROCESS INVOLVES THAT FAITH GIVEN ACCORDING TO
GRACE FROM THE FATHER TO BELIEVE. THUS GOD IS IN COMPLETE CONTROL AND WILL EVENTUALLY JUSTIFY ALL THROUGH THAT SAME FAITH ONCE IT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ALL.

1 Co 15:22-23 As in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be MADE ALIVE. But EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER........................
1 Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is DEATH. That will happen when the last human has received his/her justification through faith and come
into life purchased by that one righteous act spoken of in Romans 5:18

It's completely up to God who comes and when. After all I chose you, you did not choose me. The secret is that he chose us ALL before the foundation of the
world and also promised eternal life to the same ALL. Otherwise you would not exist.

Now maybe you can see that disobedience is by design (Mystery of Iniquity) to mature Gods elect, but eventually all the disobedient will be obedient according to the Fathers timing.

Again, you are speaking Calvin and Luther mumbo jumbo.

We do not know what the specific timing is for each dispensation, but to miss the end of the first one might require several thousand years in the grave, another life time on earth as
a human, even being a vessel to disobedience while the wrath of God abides on you, while another group of elect are matured and come into life.
This is why Paul did not want to be left out of the first and better resurrection. And if one were to study hard enough you would find that even though all are thrown into the lake of fire
in Revelation, they are judged according to their works prior to being put back in to the fire.

You are so mixed up.

This is not an eternal torment but an AGE long torment that lasts only until the Father gives
faith for the one to believe unto salvation. A second harvest. It is only in this way that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father.
There is no glory in a never ending torment but there is glory is bringing many sons unto glory that look, act, think, and do just as their Father.
After all "I said, Ye are gods, and ALL of YOU ARE CHILDREN of the Most High."
It;s only a matter of time dispensations until this becomes reality as God calls it as it will be.

We have to talk more about that.

 

[Samson2020]

That already happened.

well according to you anyway.

The Jews who already had faith were NOT cut off.

But they were as there was no new covenant and nobody could keep the law in its entirety. I.E no Holy Ghost for 50 days after His resurrection, that is when the justification truly was
recognized.

That's right, and that proves not all Jews were cut off.

Again it happened AFTER His resurrection, AFTER the New Covenant was established.

some still resist, and that is on their own freewill, though, God can harden people when He wants.

Well which is it? Free will, or God doing the hardening? It can't be both as God has not abdicated His throne in favor of our will, nor has He changed His mind from the beginning of creation.

No such thing that you speak.

You just can't understand it. You havn't spent the time or your not allowed to see it yet.

Again, you are speaking Calvin and Luther mumbo jumbo.

It's just over your head. But thats OK for now, you'll eventually see it.

You are so mixed up.

Just over your head for now.

We have to talk more about that.

That would probably be a waste of my time, as you cannot HEAR me. That has been established a few times.
And seeing as your rebuttals are nothing more than personal OPINION, whats the point? I say yes, you say no, I say blue, you say green.
It would appear that you have nothing better to do than be on the site and finding anyone that will oblige you in a debate but you cannot debate scripture properly because you cannot
rightly divide it.
Many have cut you off from discussions and one would think you might get the hint but apparently not yet.
I do not say anything that was said to demean or mean mouth you but yet to the contrary to your benefit that you might examine yourself as to your motives in responding to what you
clearly do not understand.

 

[GodB4Us]

You seem to have a one doctrine mind, that of second Holy Ghost baptism being a falling away. It may just be a deception. But in the world there is no mark of the beast as there is no global cooperation, and until that starts to gel the great tribulation doesn't even begin for the first 1/2 of the anti Christs rule. So show me where you believe, other than second drink where anything
lines up to support your any day now idea.

also keep in mind that as we get closer and closer the miracles, signs and wonders should decieve even the very elect IF IT WERE POSSIBLE. It 's not going to be so simple as you imply.

Just to clarify, the falling away from the faith is to happen first for why Jesus will come as the Bridegroom first to judge the House of God first at the pre great tribulation rapture event.

That is when and why there are vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity before the Bridegroom had come as they will be resurrected after the great tribulation to be vessels of wood & earth in His House.

His coming as the King of kings will be to deal with the world's armies marching unto Jerusalem and once defeated, then Satan will be in the pit for a thousand years and then He will resurrected those saints after the great tribulation.

That means Jesus is not meeting those saints in the air when He is already on earth having defeated the world's armies and Satan is in the pit for a thousand years. These be the saints left behind with new believers after the rapture event.

As per your reference....

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Saved believers are doing that when they believe the Spirit of Christ is moving here or there like they do for Pensacola Outpouring, Toronto's Blessings, slain in the spirit and holy laughter movement, and yet why go there as if the Spirit of Christ is not in you? It is against our faith in Jesus Christ when He is in us ( 2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV ) as opposed to those preaching another Jesus or another Holy Spirit to receive and yet still receiving...( 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 KJV ) which is not the real indwelling Holy Spirit but the spirit of the antichrist which is in the world.

That is why because of this great apostasy and the falling away from the faith is Jesus Christ judging His church first at the pre great tribulation rapture event before He comes back as the King of kings to judge the world.

Thank you for sharing, brother.

 

[Samson2020]

pre great tribulation rapture event.

Scripture to support that please.

then He will resurrected those saints after the great tribulation.

Again scripture to support. As it sounds like your espousing a pre trib rapture event (and of who), then a post trib resurrection of saints? Bible says that we who are alive shall not prevent those that died, and the dead will not prevent us and that we are all gathered at the, basic, same time.As the dead are raised first then we all meet Him in the air and corruption puts on incorruption.

pre great tribulation rapture event

Supporting scripture????

 

[God's Truth]

well according to you anyway.

The Jews who already had faith were NOT cut off.
Jesus came to make a new covenant based on faith.
The old covenant was not based on faith.
Some Jews had faith and some did not.
The Jews who had faith in God when Jesus had his earthly ministry---those are the Jews who were drawn to Jesus---those Jews were God's and now they had to go through Jesus to remain Gods.

John 17:6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

But they were as there was no new covenant and nobody could keep the law in its entirety.

God didn't give us a new covenant because people couldn't keep the old one.
God made the plan for salvation to be through Jesus before He made the world or anything.

There were many people who kept the old law, and blamelessly.
Here are two scriptures to prove it was done:

Genesis 26:4-5I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."

Luke 1:5In the time of Herod king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah, and whose wife Elizabeth was a daughter of Aaron. 6They were both righteous in the sight of God, walking blamelessly in all the commandments and decrees of the Lord.

I.E no Holy Ghost for 50 days after His resurrection, that is when the justification truly was
recognized.

That does not mean all the Jews were cut off.

Again, only the Jews who did not already belong to God by faith were cut off and hardened only while Jesus walked the earth.

Luke 19:42 and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes.

Luke 8:10 He said, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, "'though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.'

John 12:40 "He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn--and I would heal them."

Matthew 13:14 In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: "'You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.

Mark 4:12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

Mark 8:17 And Jesus, aware of this, said to them, "Why do you discuss the fact that you have no bread? Do you not yet see or understand? Do you have a hardened heart? 18"HAVING EYES, DO YOU NOT SEE? AND HAVING EARS, DO YOU NOT HEAR? And do you not remember


Jesus said when he is crucified then all could come to him to be saved:

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."


They can be grafted in if they don't continue in unbelief.
Romans 11:23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

Again it happened AFTER His resurrection, AFTER the New Covenant was established.

There were many Jews who were not cut off, for they are the ones who were water baptized by John and Jesus' disciples.

Well which is it? Free will, or God doing the hardening?

We have freewill or a hardening wouldn't be necessary.

It can't be both as God has not abdicated His throne in favor of our will,

See that, you say things like that and it has nothing to do with what we are talking about, it is just some kind of power play you are doing to try to make what you said sound truer.

nor has He changed His mind from the beginning of creation.

You just can't understand it. You havn't spent the time or your not allowed to see it yet.

It's just over your head. But thats OK for now, you'll eventually see it.

Just over your head for now.

You keep saying that to me and you are wrong.

That would probably be a waste of my time, as you cannot HEAR me. That has been established a few times.

I hear what you are saying, and it is still wrong.

And seeing as your rebuttals are nothing more than personal OPINION, whats the point?

I give scriptures and prove my beliefs with scriptures.

I say yes, you say no, I say blue, you say green.

So who are all these people on this site that you are only speaking with since they believe and say only what you believe and say?
See what I mean?
You say things that are just rude and not true.

It would appear that you have nothing better to do than be on the site and finding anyone that will oblige you in a debate but you cannot debate scripture properly because you cannot
rightly divide it.

Not true.

Many have cut you off from discussions and one would think you might get the hint but apparently not yet.

Oh have you all gathered together to make that evil decision?

I do not say anything that was said to demean or mean mouth you but yet to the contrary to your benefit that you might examine yourself as to your motives in responding to what you
clearly do not understand.

You are the one who should examine yourself.