Why is this not being taught in Church?

[Samson2020]

Point taken

 

[Bill]

Your right that was a bad attempt at getting around the question in stead of answering it.

How could they CHOOSE evil if it did not exist as a choice?

Scripture states that Satans choice to deem equality with God was his sin . The failure to recognize God as the creator.

The Eastern thiking of ying and yang, is the idea that good and evil , or light and dark are interwoven . This is mans thinking trying to grasp Gods fulness. Thier failure comes because trying to grasp all Holiness is beyond our intellect .

Jesus is the Light of the World. The darkness would have us think , if there is light then there is dark. But in Gods mind , there is no dark . Only light .

The same with all that is Good . The darkness will tell us . If there is good , then there must be evil. But in God's mind , all is good.

Have you not read in Genesis, at the end of Each new creation God sees " it is good "

Another term for God saying " it is good " is " it is Holy " . Jesus tells His Apostles, Be Holy for your Father in Heaven is Holy " there is no opposite of God , because God is Holy.

 

[Bill]

The tree containing the knowledge of good and evil was placed in the garden of eden by who?

I have to say again, the translation is off . Where your bible says tree of good and evil, mine says tree of knowledge of good and evil. There is a difference. Knowing what it is to cause evil and being evil are two different things altogether

 

[Bill]

Evil was what the translators of the KJV did, not me.
I would also add that the tree containing the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil was placed in the Garden of Eden by God himself.

AND AGAIN I WOULD ASK WHERE DID EVIL COME FROM SINCE GOD CREATED ALL THINGS?

Do you believe that God gave job over to Satan for a positive outcome? And that in the EVIL, CALAMITY, whichever you prefer, that befell him was simply Gods wisdom to bring job into a better relationship with God?

God allows all manner of calamity to come into peoples lives . We seem to be our best during such things

 

[Bill]

I must say . To the rest of the onlookers . Why remain so quiet . If God is speaking to your hearts , then say something

 

[Samson2020]

My post that you reposted in #163 says knowledge of good and evil, I'm starting to wonder if your actually reading what I post. And in seeing that your missing words in simple posts makes me think your doctrine may be full of holes as well.
And again you failed to answer the question of who put the tree in the garden in the first place?

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is what the carnal mind feeds on all ones unregenerate life. At salvation the evil that we have done is shunned because we can see it for what it is, but yet we still classify everything as either good or evil though both are the FRUIT OF THE SAME TREE which brings death if consumed. In order to have access to the TREE OF LIFE then the idea of GOOD must also be put away just as evil was. For in the putting away of evil we are exposed to the hearing of God and his words but in the putting away of good we SEE God as the instigator of every event in our lives as well as all others for the maturing of the elect at a minimum. Both of these actions require suffering on our part as the carnal mind dies when it cannot classify things as good or evil anymore. It has been shown that it is not in control. It is the experience of good and evil and the destruction of both that bring us to the mind of Christ and the ability then to follow in his steps. If God had not included the knowledge of both good and evil in the fruit then there would have never been a carnal mind to destroy nor a need for Jesus. So it can be concluded that God created both good and evil for our good, and his good pleasure to bring us to spiritual maturity as full grown SONS, and JOINT-HEIRS with our LORD.

 

[Samson2020]

Just an FYI sir Bill,
LUCIFER is NOT SATAN. Lucifer is the last and most powerful ANTI-CHRIST. If you continue to read the chapter of Isaiah 14 you will see it says in verse 16
"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, IS THIS THE MAN THAT MADE THE EARTH TO TREMBLE, that did shake kingdoms."

Completely understandable that it would get misunderstood as they teach it that way. Never finishing the latter verses.

 

[rhern53]

Just an FYI sir Bill,
LUCIFER is NOT SATAN. Lucifer is the last and most powerful ANTI-CHRIST. If you continue to read the chapter of Isaiah 14 you will see it says in verse 16
"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, IS THIS THE MAN THAT MADE THE EARTH TO TREMBLE, that did shake kingdoms."

Completely understandable that it would get misunderstood as they teach it that way. Never finishing the latter verses.

Do I need to get the paty wagon

 

[rhern53]

Just an FYI sir Bill,
LUCIFER is NOT SATAN. Lucifer is the last and most powerful ANTI-CHRIST. If you continue to read the chapter of Isaiah 14 you will see it says in verse 16
"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, IS THIS THE MAN THAT MADE THE EARTH TO TREMBLE, that did shake kingdoms."

Completely understandable that it would get misunderstood as they teach it that way. Never finishing the latter verses.

Revelation 20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[rhern53]

Do I need to get the paty wagon

The anitchrist

2nd Thessalonians 2

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

 

[Samson2020]

The verse 9 in the 2 Thessalonians speaks of the same MAN.

 

[Bill]

Just an FYI sir Bill,
LUCIFER is NOT SATAN. Lucifer is the last and most powerful ANTI-CHRIST. If you continue to read the chapter of Isaiah 14 you will see it says in verse 16
"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, IS THIS THE MAN THAT MADE THE EARTH TO TREMBLE, that did shake kingdoms."

Completely understandable that it would get misunderstood as they teach it that way. Never finishing the latter verses.

Well like i said before . You and i will just have to disagree. May God Bless you

 

[Bill]

My post that you reposted in #163 says knowledge of good and evil, I'm starting to wonder if your actually reading what I post. And in seeing that your missing words in simple posts makes me think your doctrine may be full of holes as well.
And again you failed to answer the question of who put the tree in the garden in the first place?

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is what the carnal mind feeds on all ones unregenerate life. At salvation the evil that we have done is shunned because we can see it for what it is, but yet we still classify everything as either good or evil though both are the FRUIT OF THE SAME TREE which brings death if consumed. In order to have access to the TREE OF LIFE then the idea of GOOD must also be put away just as evil was. For in the putting away of evil we are exposed to the hearing of God and his words but in the putting away of good we SEE God as the instigator of every event in our lives as well as all others for the maturing of the elect at a minimum. Both of these actions require suffering on our part as the carnal mind dies when it cannot classify things as good or evil anymore. It has been shown that it is not in control. It is the experience of good and evil and the destruction of both that bring us to the mind of Christ and the ability then to follow in his steps. If God had not included the knowledge of both good and evil in the fruit then there would have never been a carnal mind to destroy nor a need for Jesus. So it can be concluded that God created both good and evil for our good, and his good pleasure to bring us to spiritual maturity as full grown SONS, and JOINT-HEIRS with our LORD.

Again i disagree with you here as well . Ive stated my position repeatedly . You come across as one who just wants to argue some outlandish point . I think for my part . Time to shake the dust from my sandles .

 

[Samson2020]

I was actually trying to help you understand the Mystery of Iniquity and who created good and evil. The Sovereignty of God is unquestionable and to deny that anything that exists comes from other than him is to say that someone or something else created it. But the scriptures say that ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM. We only have to ask why, and take them at face value.

 

[Samson2020]

Lets start at 2 Thess 2:3

"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day(The day of the Lord) shall not come. except there come a great falling away first, and that MAN of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4-Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sittieth in the temple of God, Showing himself to be God. We all know that Satan is a spirit so we can't SEE him but this MAN is sitting in the temple of God showing himself to be God, so we can SEE THE MAN. Could I be correct that this scripture lines up with Isaiah 14:12-13 How art thou fallen from heaven , O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart , I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north." But when we go a little lower in Isaiah 14:16
"They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying is this the MAN THAT MADE THE EARTH TO TREMBLE, THAT DID SHAKE KINGDOMS;" Is this the display of the MAN after death who is not buried??
18- All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory;(in their graves respectfully), every one in his own house. 19-But thou art CAST OUT OF THE GRAVE like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain.......
This is not a doctrinal issue it's just a name and understanding issue of who or what is Lucifer. From the above passages we are told that he is a MAN. And that he when dead is cast out of his own GRAVE. So knowing that Satan is a spirit and not a MAN we have a difference, and as a spirit that is eventually
locked up in the bottomless pit for 1000 years and let loose again, does that fit with being cast out of his own grave? Does a spirit need a grave or just a man?
Personally I struggled with the lack of witness concerning the name Lucifer in the Bible. It's only there once and thats not normal with God to only give one witness. There are usually at least two. So for any one to make assumptions about who or what Lucifer is makes me wonder and the conclusions that I have come to are listed above and referenced as best as possible. And again I do not see this as doctrinal, or necessary for salvation, or putting on the mind of Christ, it's just about a name and who that name belongs too. It could even be possible that the son of perdition spoken of here will be named LUCIFER
when he takes the reigns of the worlds government at the end.

And again I'm not trying to create a new doctrine just thoughts for consideration.

 

[PloughBoy]

The deep ness of Lucifer I never look into out side of His name meaning. Here I will refer to him as Satan for conversation. But this we know, His meaning is “deceiver”, So this is “God’s creation. God created the “perfect” deceiver [adversary], the term “perfect” there is done like him. [deceiver]. So that is who He or she. [LOL]. Like you have mention or pointed out, for our training and development. That is why we will be amaze when we see him. “How could we be so easily “deceived”. Because, HE was Created by GOD the Father, “The PERFECT Adversary Deceiver” none like him. He belongs to GOD! And Obeys Him, just like the Sun raises in the East. “You know the rest”. That is as far as I have reach into him. You have a good mission. I got one too, I have the scars just like you. LOL.

 

[Bill]

God makes allowances in some cases and wipes off the rest of the impurities!!

I might have misread your thoughts on this post , my origional reply was " absolutely not . " but i see where you are coming from . ' the blood of the Lamb

 

[Bill]

Just to let you two know Samson2020 and rhem53 , im lodging a complaint to Bro. Bear . And i never complain . But your sarcasm is not of the Lord . There is no place here for comments like those. I had told you i was at work , but because i could not make instant answers you have to put me down , tell me to dust off my bible and so on . You have no clue of my work both Spiritual or physical .

Good day . May God Bless you still

 

[PloughBoy]

This is also how we also glow. Bill, They are our brother and sisters in Christ. Our love for one another is different from the love we have for people of this world. “They will know you by the love you have for “one another”. “Let yourself be cheated, abused, talked about, especially if you feel it has been done by your sisters and brothers in Christ” So that the world may see and feel how “you love” them anyhow. “So did your Father in Heaven loved you”. We all must go through this! Do not come up some other way. This road is narrow, many miss it, only a few finds it. Stay on the path no matter what. So precious, is the tears that fell. It gives a healing fragrance, for all to smell.

 

[rhern53]

Just to let you two know Samson2020 and rhem53 , im lodging a complaint to Bro. Bear . And i never complain . But your sarcasm is not of the Lord . There is no place here for comments like those. I had told you i was at work , but because i could not make instant answers you have to put me down , tell me to dust off my bible and so on . You have no clue of my work both Spiritual or physical .

Good day . May God Bless you still

Brother Bill I had nothing to do with it.
It's all Samsons2020's fault.
He lured me into finding those passages.
I promise I'll be good.
please don't put a hex on me.