GOD means what He says; But many Christians do not believe it, They believe HE meant This. and , He didn't mean that. He wants you to be happy

[B-A-C]

Deut 32:3; "For I proclaim the name of the LORD; Ascribe greatness to our God!
Deut 32:4; "The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and upright is He.

Deut 32:18; "You neglected the Rock who begot you, And forgot the God who gave you birth.

2Sam 22:2; He said, "The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer;
2Sam 22:3; My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge; My savior, You save me from violence.
2Sam 22:32; "For .who is God, besides the LORD? And who is a rock, besides our God?
2Sam 22:47; "The LORD lives, and blessed be my rock; And exalted be God, the rock of my salvation,

Psa 18:2; The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, My God, my rock, in whom I take refuge; My shield and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.
Psa 18:31; For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God,
Psa 42:9; I will say to God my rock, "Why have You forgotten me? Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy?"
Psa 62:7; On God my salvation and my glory rest; The rock of my strength, my refuge is in God.
Psa 71:3; Be to me a rock of habitation to which I may continually come; You have given commandment to save me, For You are my rock and my fortress.

Isa 26:4; "Trust in the LORD forever, For in GOD the LORD, we have an everlasting Rock.
Isa 44:8; 'Do not tremble and do not be afraid; Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.'"

Matt 7:25; "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.

Rom 9:33; just as it is written, "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE, AND HE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED."

1Pet 2:8; and, "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE"; for they stumble because they are disobedient to the word, and to this doom they were also appointed.

 

[Rhema]

GOD cannot DIE.

Well I guess that tells you something about Jesus.

Rhema

JESUS can NEVER DIE as we know death

When nothing can mean what it says, then everything said becomes nothing.

DEAD is Dead!

How would you know that?

 

[Rhema]

'And did all drink the same spiritual drink:
for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them:
and that Rock was Christ.'
(1Co 10:4)

Was Christ Jesus' last name?

Rhema
(And thank you most kindly for the scripture reference.)

 

[Rhema]

Matt 7:25; "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.

Uh... Jesus was speaking of his teachings, no?

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[PloughBoy]

Was Christ Jesus' last name?

Rhema
(And thank you most kindly for the scripture reference.)
[/QUOTE
sad

 

[Gregoryp]

And all I see is false teaching, arguing, aminosty, division, typical mankind behaviour, still rearing its ugly head. Only the chosen and the elect are going to make it, the rest.... well.

 

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And all I see is false teaching, arguing, aminosity, division, typical mankind behaviour, still rearing its ugly head. Only the chosen and the elect are going to make it, the rest.... well.

Hello @Gregoryp,

Your words make me think of the words of Paul to Timothy, who was surrounded by the strife of tongues, debate and argument there in Ephesus, but Paul sought to draw Timothy up out of the mire around him, onto higher ground:-

'Of these things put them in remembrance,
charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit,
but to the subverting of the hearers.
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
And their word will eat as doth a canker:
of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred,
saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure,
having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are His.
And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.'
(2 Timothy 2:14-19)

Within the love of Christ,
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[Rhema]

sad

So... PloughBoy thinks a question is sad..... how sad to think no one is permitted to ask a question.


(And Chris... who knows what Chris thinks.)

 

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Was Christ Jesus' last name?

Rhema
(And thank you most kindly for the scripture reference.)

' Concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness,
by the resurrection from the dead:'
(Rom 1:3)

'(Israelites) Whose are the fathers,
and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came,
who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.'
(Romans 9:5)

Hello @Rhema,

Forgive me for not answering your question. I admit that I have not sought to know what the Lord's surname (in the flesh) would have been. Though the Son of God, we know that He was of the tribe of Judah, and maybe his surname reflected that, eg., 'Bar-Judah' (ie., 'son of Judah', or 'son of Joseph'), for though the Son of God, He was, by law, the son of Joseph. I really do not know Rhema.

If it were necessary, in God's eyes, for us to know that, then it would have been included in the Biblical record that we have, don't you think? We know by the titles given to Him, 'Son of God', 'Son of Man' etc., that He is both God and Man. That, for the purpose of redemption, is really all that we need to know regarding His name, in the flesh.

Regarding the word 'Rock' and it's application to the Lord Jesus, I agree with you concerning it's meaning in (Matthew 16:15-18), that it was the truth of God concerning Him, made known to Peter by revelation of God, upon which Christ's Church would be built (v.16)t: namely, ' Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.'

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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@Ploughboy - Subject Heading
GOD means what He says; But many Christians do not believe it,
They believe HE meant This. and , He didn't mean that.
He wants you to be happy.

Hello @PloughBoy,

I also believe that God says what He means, and means what He says. Believe also that the Bible interprets itself: and that we should not attempt to impose our own understanding upon it. Regarding God wanting us to be happy, I believe He does: but the happiness He gives is not the result of circumstances, but regardless of them: nor is it by our nature in the flesh; but because of what we have been given, by promise, through the Lord Jesus Christ in spirit. For example, we are told in Ephesians chapter one, that God has blessed us (ie., made us happy) , with ALL spiritual blessings in Christ Jesus:-

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of His will,
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In Whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;
Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Having made known unto us the mystery of His will,
according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ,
both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance,
being pre-destinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will:
That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
In Whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:
in Whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession,
unto the praise of His glory.'
(Eph 1:3-14)

 

[Rhema]

I admit that I have not sought to know what the Lord's surname (in the flesh) would have been.

My post was somewhat tongue in cheek, because I HAVE met people who thought Christ was Jesus' last name. My question was more a inquiry into the word Christ, though, than surnames.

We find both the phrases "Jesus Christ" and "Christ Jesus" in the New Testament documents, and I have wondered whether or not the order of these names might have a deeper significance.

And while "Christ" is typically translated as "anointed one," I have encountered credible linguistic evidence that asserts Christ means Anointing, and we would then render these phrases, "Jesus of the Anointing" and the "Anointing of Jesus" (to mean that of which Jesus had been anointed, i.e. the Holy Spirit.) While I am not 100% convinced yet, it seems a bit more credible that we should, for example, have the mind of the Holy Spirit, as opposed to the mind of Jesus. There are some scripture passages that make more sense to me when I read "the anointing (by the Holy Spirit)" as opposed to Christ meaning just "Jesus".

Perhaps it's a bit moot though. While I see Jesus referring to the ROCK as his teachings, one might not necessarily need to draw a distinction between the teacher and his teachings. In centuries past, they would have been seen as one in the same. Today? I'm not so sure. I run into a lot of Christians that seem to have separated Jesus from His teachings.

maybe his surname reflected that, eg., 'Bar-Judah' (ie., 'son of Judah', or 'son of Joseph')

Well we do have the ossuary that states, "Jesus son of Joseph". I don't think "last names" as we know them were a common social practice back then.

But thank you kindly for the reply. (Sometimes I cannot resist the temptation to be cryptic.)

Rhema

We know by the titles given to Him, 'Son of God', 'Son of Man' etc., that He is both God and Man.

Well I must admit that I find such a conclusion to be a bit "thin." But I'm sure we can both agree that scripture never calls Jesus "God" nor is the phrase God the Son found within.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

and not Jesus Christ?

 

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My post was somewhat tongue in cheek, because I HAVE met people who thought Christ was Jesus' last name. My question was more a inquiry into the word Christ, though, than surnames.

We find both the phrases "Jesus Christ" and "Christ Jesus" in the New Testament documents, and I have wondered whether or not the order of these names might have a deeper significance.

And while "Christ" is typically translated as "anointed one," I have encountered credible linguistic evidence that asserts Christ means Anointing, and we would then render these phrases, "Jesus of the Anointing" and the "Anointing of Jesus" (to mean that of which Jesus had been anointed, i.e. the Holy Spirit.) While I am not 100% convinced yet, it seems a bit more credible that we should, for example, have the mind of the Holy Spirit, as opposed to the mind of Jesus. There are some scripture passages that make more sense to me when I read "the anointing (by the Holy Spirit)" as opposed to Christ meaning just "Jesus".

Perhaps it's a bit moot though. While I see Jesus referring to the ROCK as his teachings, one might not necessarily need to draw a distinction between the teacher and his teachings. In centuries past, they would have been seen as one in the same. Today? I'm not so sure. I run into a lot of Christians that seem to have separated Jesus from His teachings.


Well we do have the ossuary that states, "Jesus son of Joseph". I don't think "last names" as we know them were a common social practice back then.

But thank you kindly for the reply. (Sometimes I cannot resist the temptation to be cryptic.)

Rhema

Well I must admit that I find such a conclusion to be a bit "thin." But I'm sure we can both agree that scripture never calls Jesus "God" nor is the phrase God the Son found within.


and not Jesus Christ?

Hello @Rhema,

Yes, I also believe that the order in which the words 'Jesus Christ' and 'Christ Jesus' are used is worthy of note.. I notice that the words, 'Christ Jesus', are used following the resurrection of Christ (first usage in Acts 19:4), which has to be significant, don't you think?

* In my Bible appendix notes, it says in regard to the order in which these two words are placed:-

* 'Jesus Christ' the former of these two names becomes emphatic by its position, the second being subsidiary and explanatory. In the Gospels it means 'Jesus the Messiah'. In the Epistles it means Jesus Who humbled Himself but is now exalted and glorified as Christ.

* 'Christ Jesus':- This being the converse of 'Jesus Christ', denotes the now exalted One, Who once humbled Himself.

I read this some time ago, and since doing so, I have found it a blessing to take note of the order in which these words come, and in doing so rejoice in their significance.

Thank you Rhema.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Our Lord, and Head .
Chris

 

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@Rhema said:-
Well I must admit that I find such a conclusion to be a bit "thin." But I'm sure we can both agree that scripture never calls Jesus "God" nor is the phrase God the Son found within.

Hello @Rhema,

This is a subject that would need a whole new thread to elaborate on, isn't it?

I believe in the deity of Christ. I will not elaborate here, for it is quite a study in itself.

With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[PloughBoy]

Hello @PloughBoy,

I also believe that God says what He means, and means what He says. Believe also that the Bible interprets itself: and that we should not attempt to impose our own understanding upon it. Regarding God wanting us to be happy, I believe He does: but the happiness He gives is not the result of circumstances, but regardless of them: nor is it by our nature in the flesh; but because of what we have been given, by promise, through the Lord Jesus Christ in spirit. For example, we are told in Ephesians chapter one, that God has blessed us (ie., made us happy) , with ALL spiritual blessings in Christ Jesus:-

'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as he hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of His will,
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.
In Whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;
Wherein He hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Having made known unto us the mystery of His will,
according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself:
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ,
both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him:
In whom also we have obtained an inheritance,
being pre-destinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will:
That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
In Whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation:
in Whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession,
unto the praise of His glory.'
(Eph 1:3-14)

Yes, I agree, But, many think, the "us" written in "Holy Scripture" means "Them" and the "we" in "Holy Scripture" also is referring to "Them" and the "all" in "Holy Scripture" means "everybody". And many think "GOD want's "us" to gain the Whole World and everything in it, it is suppose to bow to our feet". Happy home, happy wife, submissive husband, obedient children, a well paying and good job, a nice house and car, great retirement, a wonderful, church to go to, wonderful parents, outstanding pastor and choir, beautiful neighborhood, outstanding Schools and teachers"

"For GOD wants Us to be happy" seeking things of this world will not make Us happy, Seeking the things of this world to make you happy or so call bless, is a "Fleeting Fool's Gold" with every passing day, you will need "More" for what made you happy to day, will not make you happy tomorrow. The man who "rang" your bell today, might not ring you bell tomorrow, The women that "Floated" your boat today, might sink it tomorrow. For abandonment, "cancer", sickness, and diseases, adulteries, is alive today and they are not dead yet.
Let a "ADAM" think on this, We are not in "Heaven" yet. And just because "we" who are the "Children of GOD" does not mean "we" are " immune" to "Calamities" for "our" wives still die, "our" husbands still passes away, "our" children still die in our arms, The floods of waters still come, The Tornados, The waves of the tsunamis, and The heat of the Sun, still brings The Drought ,and The waters , still dry out in The River Beds... And Our Father controls all of these things. Our children still kills their parents, Fathers still kills their children, Our mothers still kills their babies.
and "we "still take hold on to "The TRUTH". "For in all these things "we" are Blessed" Interpretation, "for in all these things "we" are happy"

New American Standard Bible
"And "we "know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose."

"for The LORD giveth and The LORD taken it away" for Blesseth is The name of The LORD"
Why are these things "such"?

Because HE is; "SHAPING & MOLDING "us" into The Image, of HIS Only Begotten SON [That only a "GOD" can do.] For HE is The ONE , who Knows "The RECIPE" to get it Done. And He is "Creating "us" in "Christ JESUS" He is Creating "us" and Not Them but "US" And in that, "we" are "in The very BODY of "Christ our LORD"! For in that "we" are Blessed, "The Happiness of The LORD"

NASB 1977 (LUKE 11)
[JESUS] said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and observe it.”

Yes He do wants us to be Happy! He said it: "HAPPY are those who hear the WORD of GOD and "Keep it""

Shalom, my sister in Christ., and I will love you forever and ever and evermore, that will have no end. and after we have been there more than 10 Billion years my love will Never fail for you, and the blessing you brought this day.

I wish , someone would say "AMEN AMEN, AMEN." which is, a way in "HEBREW" Form.

 

[theQuestion]

Psalm 103:8-21 (NLT2) The LORD is compassionate and merciful, slow to get angry, and filled with unfailing love.
He will not constantly accuse us, nor remain angry forever.
He does not punish us for all our sins; he does not deal harshly with us, as we deserve.
For his unfailing love toward those who fear him is as great as the height of the heavens above the earth.
He has removed our sins as far from us as the east is from the west.
The LORD is like a father to his children, tender and compassionate to those who fear him.
For he knows how weak we are; he remembers we are only dust.
Our days on earth are like grass; like wildflowers, we bloom and die.
The wind blows, and we are gone— as though we had never been here.
But the love of the LORD remains forever with those who fear him. His salvation extends to the children’s children of those who are faithful to his covenant, of those who obey his commandments!
The LORD has made the heavens his throne; from there he rules over everything.
Praise the LORD, you angels, you mighty ones who carry out his plans, listening for each of his commands.
Yes, praise the LORD, you armies of angels who serve him and do his will!

From a defiled translation.

 

[theQuestion]

This is not what Jesus said.

And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, 'Given to me was all ἐξουσία (power/authority) in heaven and on earth;​

(Matthew 28:18 YLT)​

I don't understand why Christians don't believe this.

Rhema

___________________________
Because they accept Church Dogma over what Jesus said!

 

[TheWordIsOne]

From a defiled translation.

Romans 8:36-39 (NKJV) As it is written: "For Your sake, we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[PloughBoy]

Well I guess that tells you something about Jesus.

Rhema



When nothing can mean what it says, then everything said becomes nothing.


How would you know that?

Well when he died where did he go? Death could not hold him neither could the grave, Then where did He go? He didn't go to heaven. He went some where. And matter of fact where was HE at, when He created heaven, earth, space and time. Was He laying down or standing up? And did he have hands, eyes and feet? Well was He something or was HE nothing. Have you learn anything with That "FINITE"mind of yours about "Jesus" or The Father? I hope plenty.

 

[theQuestion]

Romans 8:36-39 (NKJV) As it is written: "For Your sake, we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

_____________________________________

" the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord ".
How do YOU take that, believing Jesus IS God?

A typo? It should have read " the love of God"?
" the love of the Trinity which is Christ Jesus our Lord is one of three?

 

[theQuestion]

Well when he died where did he go? Death could not hold him neither could the grave, Then where did He go? He didn't go to heaven. He went some where. And matter of fact where was HE at, when He created heaven, earth, space and time. Was He laying down or stand up? And did he have hands, eyes and feet? Well was He something or was HE nothing. Have you learn anything with That "FINITE"mind of yours about "Jesus" or The Father? I hope plenty.

He as a person DIED. No 'going' until he was resurrected on the THIRD DAY. JUST as he told his followers he would!