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Who are the Sons of God?

Johanabrahams

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Jehovah spoke in Jesus very clearly about this.

John 10:
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

So of course we have to answer accordingly when we are asked.
 
Jehovah spoke in Jesus very clearly about this.

John 10:
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

So of course we have to answer accordingly when we are asked.
I have always been confused with John 10:30 I and my Father are one ... does that mean that they work as one, as in the trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit OR is Jesus the Father too?
 

Who are the Sons of God?​


I would say angels, per Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD.

Christians are called the following in scripture:

1. Sons and daughters 2 Cor 6:18, 2. Bride of Christ Rev 17:7-9, 3. Disciples, 4. Followers, 5. Believers, 6. Saints, 7. Nazarenes, 8. Elect, 9. Brother and 10. Friend.

Angels are called:

1. Sons of God, 2. Mighty ones, 3. Powers, 4. Dominions and authorities, 5. Watchers, 6. Hosts and 7. Stars.

Jesus is called:

The Son of God, the Messiah, Lord, God almighty.
 
I would say angels,
Angels are created to be servants of the Children/Sons of God.

Hebrews 1:
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Christians are called the following in scripture:

1. Sons and daughters
But mostly Sons because in God's Faith there is no difference between His "Boys and Girls". Just as with any human father too.



Gal. 3: 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal. 4:
1 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
2 But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Angels are called:

1. Sons of God,
Nope. They are servants of the Sons of God.
Jesus is called:

The Son of God,
He is The Word of the Son of God. Meaning the Word of the Living God, Jehovah, which creates the Real Son of God.
 
I have always been confused with John 10:30 I and my Father are one ... does that mean that they work as one, as in the trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit OR is Jesus the Father too?
Hi moon, John 10.30 obviously means Jesus is GODs son and has exactly the sàme ideals, standards and aims as his father God.
Holy spirit is literally spirit gifts given all true believers but it ix not a real being floating round God.
 
Hi moon, John 10.30 obviously means Jesus is GODs son and has exactly the sàme ideals, standards and aims as his father God.
Holy spirit is literally spirit gifts given all true believers but it ix not a real being floating round God.
Thank you : )
 
Sons of GOD are the angels.and archangels.
Sons of Man are humans.
Sons of God are messenger of God called apostles how beautiful are there feet

Abel the second born the first born again son of God as a apostle and martyr

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

No such creation called angels a fake word.

Sons of men or daughters of men when converted as born again become sons of God.

They are not what they will be when they receive their new incorruptible bodies as the bride of Christ no longer male and female Jew and gentile

1 John 3:1-2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
I have always been confused with John 10:30 I and my Father are one ... does that mean that they work as one, as in the trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit OR is Jesus the Father too?
Listen to what the Jews themselves said Jesus stated. The Jews were there in person, not 2000 years later reading their Greek grammar textbooks. The Jews who knew the language stated exactly what Jesus meant:

"The Jews answered, 'It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, though only a human, are making yourself God.'” (Joh 10:33 NRSVue)

The Jews did NOT misunderstand Jesus, because John tells us when the Jews misunderstood something important, as demonstrated in them hearing Jesus words about destroying the temple:

Jesus answered them, 'Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.' The Jews then said, 'This temple has been under construction for forty-six years, and will you raise it up in three days?' But he was speaking of the temple of his body." (Joh 2:19-21 NRSVue)

Jesus' statement in John 10:30 is a very important statement for John to not explain it, if the Jews had misunderstood!
 
Lots of angels.
Proof of one.

Lots of Apostles sent messenger or in Hebrew Malak .even today many on this board share what they think Christ is teaching

Cain murdered the first apostle Abel sent with the gospel first martyr .Buried him under the corn and when asked the father of lies that worked in Cain a murder from that very beginning gave lying words to Cain

Genesis 4:8-9;And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.9And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper?

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning (genesis 4) , and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

God replace Abel the second born with another second born called born again .It was then born again believer were empowered to hear God and do what he requires .

That seed Christ the spiritual was passed on until the time of the Son of man, Jesus who then became the born again Son of God

Geneisis4:25-26;And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew. And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

Many think you must be born again from above is a new testament principle and not establish in the Genesis 4 . Marvel not why wonder?
 

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WHO ARE THE SONS OF GOD?​


The term translated "the Sons of God" is, in the Hebrew, B'nai HaElohim, "Sons of Elohim," which is a term consistently used in the Old Testament for angels, and it is never used of believers in the Old Testament. It was so understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, by the Septuagint translators in the 3rd century before Christ, and by the early church fathers.

The Biblical term "Sons of Elohim" (that is, of the Creator Himself), is confined to the direct creation by the divine hand and not to those born to those of their own order. In Luke's genealogy of Jesus, only Adam is called a "son of God." The entire Biblical drama deals with the tragedy that humankind is a fallen race, with Adam's initial immortality forfeited. Christ uniquely gives them that receive him the power to become the sons of God. Being born again of the Spirit of God, as an entirely new creation, at their resurrection they alone will be clothed with a building of God and in every respect equal to the angels. The very term oiketerion, alluding to the heavenly body with which the believer longs to be clothed, is the precise term used for the heavenly bodies from which the fallen angels had disrobed.

The attempt to apply the term "Sons of Elohim" in a broader sense has no textual basis. The designation 'Sons of God' is never applied in the Old Testament to believers, whose sonship is distinctly a New Testament revelation.
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Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Php 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
OT: angels
NT: [as per Curtis' post ("perfection pending")]
The Hebrew word for sent messenger (apostle) Is Malak not angel .

The Greek word is Angelos .it describes the beautiful feet of those sent with prophecy.

Angel a fake word that was coined in the tenth century to give the illusion as a lying wonder. Taking away the "Let there be" Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. . . the mighty power of Christ faith. Given it over to a legion of Greek\Roman gods in the likeness of men. today we would call the patron saint gods familiar spirt guides. His and hers gods. The same kind Saul sought after when Christ removed all forms of prophecy.

1 Samuel 28:13And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods (patron saints) ascending out of the earth.

They called Barnabas, Jupiter; The father of his and hers gods and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker that preached to gospel

Satan robing the priesthood of believers. Jupiter as if our Holy father and Aaron the chief speaker the prophet apostle

Exodus 7:1-2 And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

Acts 14:7-14 And there they preached the gospel.(the let there be good power of God unto salvation); And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked: The same heard Paul speak: (the words of the unseen Holy Father)who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith (coning from Christ )to be healed,Said with a loud voice (of Christ ), Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.And when the people (faithless)saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.;And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.

Born again Abel the first apostle sent with prophecy and first martyr .
 

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WHO ARE THE SONS OF GOD?​


The New Testament boldly refers to the great "manner of love the father has given unto us, that we should be called the sons of God." (I John 3:1) While the emphasis is on God's love, the text pointedly tells us that, as a result of the New Covenant, it is the Christians that are now to be considered "the sons of God."

In the Old Testament, we see that the angels were referred to as "the sons of God." In the book of Job, in a very instructive series of passages, we find "there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them." (Job 1:6). The phrase "sons of God" (B'nai Elohim) is also used in conjunction with the notorious Nephilim account wherein the fallen ones (Nephilim) "came in unto the daughters of men" and mated with human women. In the reference in the book of Job, we also learn that these "sons of God" were present when the LORD created the world.

It is self evident that these fallen angels have forfeited the privilege of being referred to as the sons of God. However, there were many of the angels that did not take part in Lucifer's great rebellion and, as such, must still be considered sons of God. Indeed, in Revelation we see an angel tell John that he is of his "brethren" - an apparent reference to a spiritual kinship that speaks of a familial relationship between the redeemed human "sons of God" and the ancient "sons of God" seen in the angelic host. (Revelation 19:10; 22:9)

In the book of Romans, the Apostle Paul refines our understanding of the qualifications for this blessed position when he states that "as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Romans 8:14). It should be readily apparent that the Spirit of God leads all who will follow to the person of JESUS CHRIST. Thus, the identity of the sons of God is relational to the identity and response to the activities of the "Spirit of God."

This is a significant understanding, for in it we can see that God did not sever the sonship of the "angels that kept not their first estate" simply because they sinned in the great angelic revolt. The logic found in the reference in Romans is indicating they lost their prior standing when they refused to allow the Spirit of God to continue to "lead" them.

Throughout the New Testament, we find the concept that the actions and deeds of created beings demonstrate which Spirit their lives are manifesting. The classic example is found in the confrontation between YAHSHUA (Jesus' Hebrew name) and the unregenerate establishment priests commonly referred to as the Pharisees.

In that illustrative account, the Jewish leaders were following a 'Spirit of religion,' and it had led them astray. Seeking to repudiate Christ's emerging position in the LORD's wonderful program for the salvation of Israel, they defensively stated "Abraham is our father." (John 8:39).

This statement was clearly intended to affirm their historical standing as the seed, or children of Abraham. It was to Abraham that many key prophetic promises were made and, using the scriptures, the priesthood sought to claim that their legitimacy was derived from their relationship to Abraham. Although Jesus conceded "I know that ye are Abraham's seed," He contrasted that statement by pointing out that "ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you." (John 8:37)

The Lord then speaks about spiritual parentage as He informs the priests that "I speak that which I have seen with my father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father" (John 8:38). After Jesus firmly implies they cannot be the offspring of Abraham because they were not doing the works of Abraham (John 8:39), the confrontation narrows to the subject of spiritual lineage.

This exchange is one of the most divisive moves in Christ's earthly ministry. In this crucial interaction, Jesus cuts to the heart of the conflict, and the direction that He turns His mission leaves no doubt whatsoever that He considers the Jewish religious establishment to be of the most vile character imaginable.

Jesus bluntly informs the Judean religious leadership that their works manifest whose children they are:

"Ye are of your father the devil. And the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him, when he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:44).

Before this fiery denunciation is over, JESUS will have called the priestly leaders liars, murderers, and those that have used their position to lust after their own desires. The stinging repudiation was all the more egregious as the elders were categorically told by Jesus that He is, indeed, deity (John 8:58). The predictable result of this spiritual collision was an attempt at murdering Jesus of Nazareth through stoning.

What is truly amazing in this passage is how deep this truth actually runs. So-called "Christian" interpreters of every stripe have taken this passage and sought to bend it to validate their own perspective. Of course, any perspective apart from the pure truth of God is not their own, for this text itself tells that it is but a manifestation of whose child they are.

The Aryan Nations have tried to turn this passage into some bizarre biological doctrine wherein they claim Jesus was telling us the Jews are physical descendants of the devil - the so called 'serpent seed' doctrine. The Catholics have tried to show this means that God abandoned the Jews and their "church" has replaced Israel in the Lord's great plan.

The Rapture Cult has stated that Christ's program of salvation put the Jews into what they call a "parenthesis" - sort of a theological holding pattern - until all the Gentiles that are scheduled to be saved come to salvation. They then say the "church" gets "raptured" and then the Jews are back on the 'front burner' again in the final "dispensation."

The Preterist Apostasy tells us the devastation of Jerusalem in 70 AD concluded the tribulation, and that Christ has already returned. This blasphemy postulates that the "tribulation" was God was bringing about a final end of the Jewish era, and forcing the Christian church to take a path independent of its predecessor role as a Jewish sect with a post-messianic perspective.

All these doctrinal groups (and many others with variations on a theme) are in a fatal error - and as they continue to cling to their error, they are demonstrating that they are spiritually related to the unregenerate Pharisees. Jesus Christ's word are even more breathtakingly relevant right now than they were then - "He that is of God, heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God" (John 8:47).

Indeed, in one of the most ironic role reversals of all time, the overwhelming majority of what passes for Christianity is now manifesting the role of the Pharisees - in that they are refusing to hear the truth that is being told them concerning the Lord's plan for the last days and their immediate future.

As literally thousands of denominational corporations vie for commercial survival utilizing every doctrinal weapon they have to sustain their perceived standing, the truth militates against them. The convoluted mess that organized religion has become is evocative of the ominous verse that speaks of "multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision, for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision" (Joel 3:14).

The Remnant of Israel is just that: a remnant of believers that have followed the LORD's program even as He "confirm[ed] the covenant with many" (Daniel 9:27) just as He was prophesied to do. The Apostle Paul provided a second witness of Christ's epic accomplishment that "the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ..." was indeed fulfilled - thus re-affirming the promises that God made to Israel.

Yet "they are not all Israel which are of Israel" (Romans 9:6). Those that have followed God into the truth of salvation in His only begotten son Jesus Christ are no longer Jews or Gentiles - they are now the sons of God. Those sons are not in a separate construct called the "church" or the "bride" or some other term lifted out of the context of scripture. They are the Remnant of Israel - a spiritual body of believers that "doeth truth [and] cometh to the light, that his deeds may be manifest, that they are wrought in God." (John 3:21).

Ephesians tells us "all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light; for whatsoever doth make manifest is light." (Ephesians 5:13) This profound truth is plainly telling the reader that it is the increasing of the light, manifested in a vessel of honour, that is the catalyst for the spiritual clash that is steadily increasing in severity.

The incredible truth here is that "the sons of God" are seen "in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world...." (Philippians 2:15) As that light shines into the darkness, the darkness comprehends it not; and as the world continues to deteriorate into evil, the "sons of God" continue the process of the externalization of the powerful Spirit of God that is growing in us.

Writing early in the first century, the Apostle Paul brings the study full circle in the book of Romans. In a futurist context, we learn that "the whole creation groaneth and travaileth together in pain until now" (Romans 8:22). This verse poignantly speaks of how all aspects of creation are under the same curse of sin.

Paul also articulates the great hope that at some point this physical bondage will be destroyed. He tells us that before that release occurs, "the earnest expectation of the creature [creation] waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God" (Romans 8:19). This statement is pointing to a time when the "sons of God" will lead the entire creation to a state of release from the spiritual decay that presently plagues the world. This "manifestation" will only occur in its fullness when Jesus Christ returns.

The Preterist pretenders would say this has already occurred, yet it is clear the creation is still in an abominable condition. The Rapturists would say this "manifestation" occurs at the so-called "rapture" - but their twisted version still has a world that "groaneth and travaileth" in the tribulation after they've managed their unscriptural evacuation.

The truth is very straightforward, and in the end times it will occur very much like it did in the time of Christ. As Jesus Christ confronted the corrupted priesthood, they became defensive of their position and standing, and progressively increased their opposition to Him. The same thing occurred in the lives of the Apostles as the power of God increased exponentially in the face of the opposition they encountered. Remember, "that which maketh manifest is light." The first century Christians ended up ministering outside of the "church" and, as they began to move supernaturally, and they loved not their lives unto the death.

The Tribulation Saints will do the same. As the Spirit of God grows in us, the darkness reacts to it. It is the light which causes the darkness to manifest itself - even when the vessel that hosts it is posing as a minister of righteousness. The wickedness in Christianity Incorporated will be exposed for all to see.

Believing themselves to be in favor with God, the "Christian" leadership is already manifesting which spirit actually empowers them. That spirit will ultimately drive the corporate church to work within the prevailing political order to facilitate the destruction of those that tell the truth.

As the world deteriorates to unheard of levels of spiritual desolation, the power that works in Jesus Christ as the head of the church will be manifested in the lives of the Remnant, and the world will hate us for it. But Jesus Christ sustains us when He says "In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." (John 16:33).

-- James
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Proof of one.
Take a look at Matthew 18:10.
[Mat 18:10 KJV] 10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Now it is true that in the Greek the word used is as follows:

ἄγγελος ággelos, ang'-el-os; from ἀγγέλλω aggéllō (probably derived from G71; compare G34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

So, yes, the word mentioned in the above verse in the Greek can also be used to also identify a pastor or messenger. However, you have to look at the entirety of the verse to understand that Jesus was not talking about a human person, but rather an "angel" if you will, because of the location of these individuals being "heaven" (twice) and that they "behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." So, that He mentioned it twice there can be no confusion of the location.

You are welcome to look up heaven that is used here in the Greek, but the location of which is clearly not available to humanity in those days. Maybe if you were talking about in these days, with jet packs etc. You might be able to reason it, but as you can see below it is also identified as "as the abode of God", which goes hand in hand with Matthew 18:10, and the words of Jesus that these "...angels do always behold the face of my Father...":

οὐρανός ouranós, oo-ran-os'; perhaps from the same as G3735 (through the idea of elevation); the sky; by extension, heaven (as the abode of God); by implication, happiness, power, eternity; specially, the Gospel (Christianity):—air, heaven(-ly), sky.

Whether you believe in them or not, at least the faith or unbelief of their existence does not undermine or confirm one's salvation. :)

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Take a look at Matthew 18:10.
[Mat 18:10 KJV] 10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Now it is true that in the Greek the word used is as follows:

ἄγγελος ággelos, ang'-el-os; from ἀγγέλλω aggéllō (probably derived from G71; compare G34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

Not a creation not spoken of any where. He finished all the work in six days

I would offer it is Christ alone working in us not a legion of what some call shape shifters .or giants before the flood

One Spirit of the Father strengthened the Son of man Jesus

Luke 22:43 And there appeared an angel (message) unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

Can't entertain the things not seen even today with a Bluetooth.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels (apostles prophets ) unawares.

The word angel is a fake word coined in the 10 century sounds the same as the Greek Angelos. It just will not work with the Hebrew word Malak Sent messenger as in how beautiful are the feet of those sent with prophecy. Abel the first martyr, apostle, prophet.

The heavenly messengers are sons of God, prayers of the saints along with our prayers comes the deceiver the accuser of brethren.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Job1: 6-7;Now there was a day when the sons of God (Christian's) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

In order to establish a false religion the idea of angels invisible spirit gods is necessary to sell the false doctrine of what some call patron saints workers with disembodied spirits in the likeness of men and women.

The kind King Saul sought after when God refused to commune. The Witch. I saw a multitude of gods coming up in the likeness of men. The same false gospel spoken of in Acts


Acts 14:7-11 ;And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:;The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people (Unbelievers) saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.;And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius,(the messenger) because he was the chief speaker.
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No queen mother in heaven beginning with the Jews. The goal of gods in the likeness of dying mankind And not Christ alone in us.
 
Not a creation not spoken of any where. He finished all the work in six days

I would offer it is Christ alone working in us not a legion of what some call shape shifters .or giants before the flood

One Spirit of the Father strengthened the Son of man Jesus

Luke 22:43 And there appeared an angel (message) unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

Can't entertain the things not seen even today with a Bluetooth.

Hebrews 13:2 Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels (apostles prophets ) unawares.

The word angel is a fake word coined in the 10 century sounds the same as the Greek Angelos. It just will not work with the Hebrew word Malak Sent messenger as in how beautiful are the feet of those sent with prophecy. Abel the first martyr, apostle, prophet.

The heavenly messengers are sons of God, prayers of the saints along with our prayers comes the deceiver the accuser of brethren.

Revelation 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Job1: 6-7;Now there was a day when the sons of God (Christian's) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

In order to establish a false religion the idea of angels invisible spirit gods is necessary to sell the false doctrine of what some call patron saints workers with disembodied spirits in the likeness of men and women.

The kind King Saul sought after when God refused to commune. The Witch. I saw a multitude of gods coming up in the likeness of men. The same false gospel spoken of in Acts


Acts 14:7-11 ;And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:;The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked. And when the people (Unbelievers) saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.;And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius,(the messenger) because he was the chief speaker.
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No queen mother in heaven beginning with the Jews. The goal of gods in the likeness of dying mankind And not Christ alone in us.
I just presented only scripture, and what the Greek could mean in translation from Strongs.
It's up to you on whether to believe what Jesus said or not, also according to scripture.
You are not arguing with me but with what Jesus said. To me anyway, that's a no-win situation, but you make your own decisions.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Whether you believe in them or not, at least the faith or unbelief of their existence does not undermine or confirm one's salvation. :)
Yes, not a salvation issue .More of how can we hear the voice of Christ rightly dividing the parables. The comparing of the temporal historical things seen to the eternal gospel of faith not seen the spiritual understanding hid from men

Parables, which without Christ spoke not. They teach us how to walk after the eternal not seen of faith rather than the temporal seen.

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2 Corinthians 4:18While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal(historical) ; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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