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So does that mean I should study only the scholars you approve of? Do you see my point? They're all over the place and most don't agree with early church history.
God's Word: Believe it, Reject it, or Explain why it does not mean what it says.
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1John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
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That's EXACTLY what the Mormons say about their book. That it was magically brought into existence.
C'mon Curtis. At least have the decency to read the question I actually asked.... (Doing so would lead to a civil conversation.)
Curtis, who have you trusted for your translation?
I guess I should also ask, which translation, then, do you think was "Divinely Inspired"? Certainly it didn't just drop out of the sky from heaven.
In the truth of the LOGOS (Jesus' Teaching),
Rhema
(Sorry Curtis, the Stork did not bring you the Bible.)
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Then why do you even read the Bible? By doing so, aren't you teaching yourself?
And what if you're reading from a bad translation? Has your anointing (very serious question)... has your anointing ever said to you, "Those words are wrong. That's not what is written in the Greek." ??
Mine has, and guess what... the anointing was right when I went and looked.
In the Truth of the LOGOS (the Teaching of Jesus),
Rhema
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Obviously you missed the scripture that said...." the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, "
Who is teaching who?
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It appears you don't believe in God, who inspired the Bible.
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The anointing, and not in any man who may have inscribed it.
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"Inscribed" ??? What the heck does that mean? That just means to write down. You don't trust the people who initially wrote down scripture? (Maybe you shouldn't)
Has your "anointing" (very serious question)... has your anointing ever said to you, "Those English words you're reading are wrong. That's not what is written in the Greek." ?? Has it?
Mine has, and guess what... the anointing was right when I went and looked.
If your "anointing" has never spoken to you, then you're living in a fantasy religion that actually has no biblical foundation apart from your own thinking process.
So what translation has this "anointing" told you to trust? And how do you differentiate between the anointing and mere thoughts that pop into your brain? (I don't think you can, and I don't think you can explain.)
In the Truth of the LOGOS (the Teaching of Jesus),
Rhema
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The message (scripture) that came by the Holy Spirit, which is where the anointing comes from, is NOT the words of man.
If you have placed your trust in man, then you are under a curse, as God has already said.
Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD: “Cursed is the man who trusts in man and makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the LORD.
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Who told you what you were reading was wrong, and who told you it was right? Based on what other than another man?
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Paul said to Timothy:-
'Preach the word;
be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort
with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts
shall they heap to themselves teachers,
having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth,
and shall be turned unto fables.
(2Tim. 4:2-4)
' Hold fast the form of sound words,
which thou hast heard of me,
in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.'
(2Tim.1:13)
And the things that thou hast heard of me
among many witnesses,
the same commit thou to faithful men,
who shall be able to teach others also.'
(2 Tim. 2:2)
'Preach the word;
be instant in season, out of season;
reprove, rebuke, exhort
with all longsuffering and doctrine.
For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts
shall they heap to themselves teachers,
having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth,
and shall be turned unto fables.
(2Tim. 4:2-4)
' Hold fast the form of sound words,
which thou hast heard of me,
in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.'
(2Tim.1:13)
And the things that thou hast heard of me
among many witnesses,
the same commit thou to faithful men,
who shall be able to teach others also.'
(2 Tim. 2:2)
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'Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself,
according to the good pleasure of His will,
To the praise of the glory of His grace,
wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.'
(Eph 1:3-6)
Hello @Butch5,
I do not agree that Paul is giving praise to God for what He has done for Israel: as you say; as can be seen by the fact that Paul says that God has blessed Israel with 'all spiritual blessings', 'in heavenly places'. For Israel's blessings are not spiritual but 'in basket and store', and also are 'in the land' promised, and not 'in heavenly place in Christ Jesus'.. Israel are not spoken of as being chosen in Him (Christ) before the foundation of the world, for this is referring to The Church of the One Body of which Christ is the Head. Israel already has the adoption, whereas the adoption spoken of here is that of the members of the Church which is His Body, which consist of both Jew and Gentile united and equal, Israel having no prior position in this calling. We are made 'accepted in the beloved'. Israel have always been His. The Gentile up to this point in time had been far off from God, with no hope, 'without God in the world'. This is why the 'praise to the glory of His grace' is expressed with such strength of feeling by Paul, for God had given all of these wondrous blessings to the undeserving, far off, gentiles, who have believed in His only begotten Son, and been accepted in the Beloved. as' holy and without blame' because they are, 'in Him'. This is unique! Unprecedented! 'Salvation had been sent to the Gentiles' (Acts 28:28), and they would hear it!!
* What amazing grace!
'To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:'
(Eph 3:10-11)
Praise His Holy Name!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Finally, we agree on something.
Indeed, the message that comes through the Holy Spirit is NOT from men. But the word "scripture" means writings. And you darn well that these writing were written in Koine Greek. Why can't you understand this? Why do you fight this simple truth? Because you KNOW that English translators have made mistakes.
Even those who preach the inerrancy of scripture say that there were NO errors in the ORIGINAL monographs - the scripture as initially written. But that's not what we're talking about.
We're talking about the FACT that you don't read the scripture as written in the original language. YOU read an English translation. No? Yes? Don't lie. (And stop lying to yourself.) When you read scripture, do you use the Greek writings or not? I never thought you were a dishonest man, Curtis, so I do expect an honest answer. (I don't think you'll give me one, but at least be honest with yourself.)
So now that we've established the truth that you read English translations, where do THESE ENGLISH writings come from?
(Men.)
Then I guess you are cursed since your translation(s) were made by men, unless you wish to tell me exactly what English translation was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Tell me, PLEASE. It would be fantastic to know which English Translation GOD wrote (besides mine, which isn't published yet).
But you know that there isn't one, so again, you are reliant upon scholars (men) who have learned the Greek and English languages enough to convince you that the English you read is accurate. I wasn't. I wasn't convinced. That's why I went and learned the Greek language for myself (my English skills already being highly proficient).
It's also why that in all of my posts where I find the innumerable English translations to be wrong, I provide a translation with supportive evidence.
I see that you didn't use the KJV. But how do you know that what you posted is correct?
Now since you violated Forum Guidelines which state that one ought to post the version of scripture that one quotes, you put me in the position of having to assume that you think the New KJV is the "correct" one since it's word for word with what you quoted:
Thus says the LORD: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his strength, Whose heart departs from the LORD.
- Jeremiah 17:5 NKJVBut I show:
Cursed is the man who trusts in man, and will lean his arm of flesh upon him, while his heart departs from the Lord.
- Jeremiah 17:1 Brenton (LXX)Thus says the LORD: Cursed are those who trust in mere mortals and make mere flesh their strength, whose hearts turn away from the LORD.
- Jeremiah 17:5 NRSVAre these all the same? Do they mean the same thing? In the Brenton translation (which I trust more than the others) the operative word is LEAN, and this verse hearkens to this teaching:
Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
- Proverbs 3:5 KJVWhich follows this verse:
My son, forget not my law (TORAH); but let thine heart keep my commandments:
- Proverbs 3:1 KJVSo did some man teach you to reject the TORAH? (And why?) Don't worry, this is another conversation that I expect you will ignore, because YES, I am challenging your own understanding, even though you claim that some mystical anointing teaches you. My problem is that your mystical anointing contradicts what we know to have been written in Greek, while mine does not.
Well my anointing did, but I have no idea who you are, or if your anointing is just a figment of your own imagination.
I never said that the anointing of the Holy Spirit wouldn't lead you, but I do know that the anointing of the Holy Spirit wouldn't lead you down the wrong path into error, and if you were truthful with yourself, it's easy to prove that this has happened.
Me? The anointing that I've received from the Holy Spirit, that's who. But again, I have no idea who you are. and given the number of errors that I've seen in your posts, one has no choice but to conclude that your anointing is suspect, because it shouldn't disagree with the Teachings of Jesus.
Now how did you learn English? (Who taught you English?) A man? An angel? Did this "anointing" of which you speak teach you English?
It's a very serious question.
When I reached out to God to teach me, He started to show me the Lies taught by Pastors and Priests and other religious leaders, and brought this book to my attention. (I think I've already offered to buy you one, and the offer still stands.)
The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek…
The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament does thr…
In comparing the two English versions with the Greek, it's easy to see the lies in these English versions, perpetrated by Religious Tradition.
And I don't care if you're Jesus himself, the Holy Spirit is NOT going to let you use a flawed translation if you are actually being led by him. There were many times that I've read English scripture that "felt" wrong, and when I checked the Greek (or Hebrew) writings, indeed, the translations lied to me.
But if you're okay with a lie.....
Rhema
(Now if you're not okay with a lie, at some point God actually will talk to you directly - it's called RHEMA in the New Testament.)
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The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.
- Deuteronomy 28:9 KJVSo being established as an HOLY PEOPLE unto Himself is NOT spiritual ????
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Hello @Rhema,The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.- Deuteronomy 28:9 KJV
So being established as an HOLY PEOPLE unto Himself is NOT spiritual ????
No.
Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
Now risen and glorified
and sat at God's right hand.
and we 'in' Him in spirit.
Chris
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Hi Chris!
Where did Israel's blessings come from? Paul opens the letter addressing two different groups.
1 PAUL, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
The Holy Bible: King James Version, Eph 1.
Group one is the saints and group two is the faithful in Christ Jesus. In the following verses he will make this distinction further with his use of first and second-person plural pronouns. In verses 3-12 he uses first person plural pronouns, us, we, and our. Then in verse 13 he switches to second person plural pronouns, you and your. This makes a distinction between those of verses 3-12 and those of verse 13. He has two groups. One he calls, us, we, and our. The other he calls you and your. All of the statements in verses 3-12 apply to the Israelites. It was to the Israelites that God made known His wisdom. It was the Israelites that had received (past tense) an inheritance. In verses 13-14 he speaks of an inheritance to come for the you/your group. It was the Israelites that were accepted in the beloved. The term "The Beloved" is a term that was coined of Israel in the Old Testament. The term "Blessed be" is a Hebraism. It's seen all through the Old Testament.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: 20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. The Holy Bible: King James Version, Ge 14:19–20.
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; For he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us In the house of his servant David; The Holy Bible: King James Version, Lk 1:68–69.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. The Holy Bible: King James Version, 1 Pe 1:3–5.
In verse 12 Paul states plainly that he is speaking of those who first hoped, or before trusted, in the Messiah. It was the Jews, not the Gentiles that had "before hoped" in the Christ.
In verses 13 through the end of the chapter Paul expresses his desire that God would bestow the same blessings on the Gentiles that he spoke of in verses 3-12
However, Paul doesn't leave it open to interpretation. He states plainly who this "You" group is.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; The Holy Bible: King James Version, Eph 2:11.
Here in chapter 2 he tells us expressly that the "you" group is the Gentiles. He goes on to explain how these Gentiles along with the saints are of into the household of God.
18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more cstrangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; The Holy Bible: King James Version, Eph 2:17–19.
He tells the "you" group, which is the Gentiles that they are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints. The context is Jew and Gentile. The Gentiles who were far off have been brought near with those who were already near, the Jews or the saints. He ties up his opening words about the saints and those who are "the faithful in Christ Jesus."
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What is the correction?
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Israel was given the Law
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. The Holy Bible: King James Version, Ro 7:14.
28 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: 2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God. 3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field. 4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep. 5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store. 6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out. 7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways. 8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways. 10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee. 11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee. 12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow. 13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them: 14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.
The Holy Bible: King James Version, Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version. (Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2009), Dt 28.
