Dylan569 said:

.... do not refute the verses I put up.

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Curtis said:

Are you trying to say that God who desires all men to be saved evil?

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Dylan569 said:

that you could not take the time to check your grammar,

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Dylan569 said:

Thayer

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Dylan569 said:

I've posted Acts 13:48 online to challenge the free-will Arminian types, but they avoid trying to explain why it does not destroy their theology.

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Rhema said:

I avoid nothing, unlike you, as I've already answered your online challenge, but your pretensions to scholarly elitism have driven you to ignore my posts. I think it's because you have no substantive rebuttal. God in his heaven sits and laughs at the pretensions of the truly uneducated. (Especially the ones who cannot admit that they don't know Greek, nor have ever studied the language.) But if you have, by all means enlighten us. My CV includes Moravian Seminary and Princeton Theological. You???

Poisoning the well is such a nasty strategy, but it's obvious why you did.

So let's see if your "secret weapon" of Acts 13:48 holds to the test.

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were G5021 to eternal life believed.​

(Acts 13:48 KJV)

The word G5021 so sloppily slung around as "ordained" or "destined" or "appointed" is τάσσω.

And I provide a LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for τάσσω

A. draw up in order of battle, form, array, marshal​

BUT, note that the verb is passive in voice: τεταγμενοι with a morphology of V-RPP-NPM, and so...

A. Pass., to be drawn up​

Given the fact that the KJV changed the word order (as you can readily see in the Greek text below), here is what an English reader ought to be seeing:

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as believed were drawn up into life eternal.​

(Acts 13:48 KJV-fixed)

But by all means, @Dylan569, you are most welcome to read it for yourself:

ακουοντα δε τα εθνη εχαιρον και εδοξαζον τον λογον του κυριου και επιστευσαν οσοι ησαν τεταγμενοι εις ζωην αιωνιον​

Then again, you can't even read Acts 13:48, can you, let alone understand it.

Is it any wonder that those who have a theological bias will mistranslate a passage to promote that theological bias?

Rhema

PS: In this thread, or the other thread, or in any thread to come, the answer is still going to be the same. But you have, what, 82 years of being told a lie and likely cannot suffer the truth now.

@Christ4Ever

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Garee said:

For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.;

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Garee said:

I would offer.

Look to the living Spirit of the word, Christ speaking to us. "let there be ' His quickening word, it is spirit life giving .

Acts 13: 46-48 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it (faith as power) from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.; For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.;And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

They rejected the very power of faith that could have worked in them giving eternal life... . . Blaspheming the Spirit of Christ .

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Dylan569 said:

I've posted Acts 13:48 online to challenge the free-will Arminian types, but they avoid trying to explain why it does not destroy their theology. I'll quote 2 Arminian Bible scholars and show how they try to change the clear meaning of the verse. No wonder most here avoid trying to explain it away.

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." (Acts 13:48 KJV)

Arminian Adam Clarke Commentary, Methodist on Acts 13:48 -
"The verb ταττω or τασσω signifies to place, set, order, appoint, dispose; hence it has been considered here as implying the disposition or readiness of mind of several persons in the congregation, such as the religious proselytes mentioned Acts 13:43, who possessed the reverse of the disposition of those Jews who spake against those things, contradicting and blaspheming, Acts 13:45. Though the word in this place has been variously translated, yet, of all the meanings ever put on it, none agrees worse with its nature and known signification than that which represents it as intending those who were predestinated to eternal life:"

Arminian James B. Coffman, Church of Christ on Acts 13:48 -
"As many as were ordained to eternal life believed … As Milligan said, this means that "As many as were disposed to accept God's plan, according to which they had been chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, believed."

The Arminians wish to change the English translation to fit their theology. I find NO translation on Bible Gateway that uses the word "disposed" in the place of ordained or destined.

Thayer
"as many as were appointed (A.V. ordained) (by God) to obtain eternal life, or to whom God had decreed eternal life, Act 13:48"

Heinrich Meyer Critical and Exegetical NT
"ὅσοι ἦσαν τεταγμένοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον] as many of them as were ordained to eternal (Messianic) life. Luke regards, in accordance with the Pauline conception (Romans 9; Eph_1:4-5; Eph_1:11; Eph_3:11; 2Th_2:13, al.), the believing of those Gentiles as ensuing in conformity to their destination, ordered by God already (namely, from of old), to partake of eternal life. Not all in general became believers, but all those who were divinely destined to this ζωή; and not the rest."

The following are various translations of the verse
"When the gentiles heard this, they were glad and praised the word of the Lord, and as many as had been destined for eternal life became believers." Act 13:48 NRSVue (2021)

"The Gentiles listened with delight and extolled the Lord's Message; and all who were pre-destined to the Life of the Ages believed." (Act 13:48 Weymouth)

"When the Gentiles heard this they were delighted and thanked God for his message. All those who were destined for eternal life believed" (Acts 13:48 Phillips)

"When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and praised the Lord's message; and those who had been chosen for eternal life became believers." (Act 13:48 GNB)

"This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord. Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord." (Act 13:48 CEV)

"The heathen kept on listening and rejoicing and giving the glory to God's message, and all who had been destined to eternal life believed, (Act 13:48 Williams NT)

A Roman Catholic Commentary on Acts 13:48 by George Leo Haydock
"As many as were pre-ordained to eternal life, by the free election, and special mercies, and providence of God. (Witham) --- Some understand this as if it meant, predisposed by their docility, to receive the word of life. But the Fathers unanimously understand it literally of predestination, which is defined by St. Thomas Aquinas, serm. i. qu. 23. a. 1. "The disposition of God, by which he prepares, what he will himself perform, according to his infallible foreknowledge." In other words, it is the manner in which God conducts a reasonable creature to its proper destiny, which is eternal life. In this mystery of the Catholic faith, which cannot be clearly explained to human understanding, because it is a mystery, there are nevertheless several points, which we know for certain. 1st. Though it is certain, that this decree of the Almighty is infallible, and must have its effect, yet it is far removed from the blasphemy of Calvinists, who pretend that it destroys free-will, and therefore removes all motives of exertion to good works."

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It sounds like there are many Roman Catholics on this Forum, as they teach the Roman Catholic system of the free-will doctrine, and on this point attacking the Calvinists, who as with Martin Luther, see no free-will in the Bible after Adam's sin!

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Dylan569 said:

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Prov 30:5-6 KJV)

The scriptures there have just called you a liar! You had NO right whatsoever to insert the words "(faith as power)" and change the meaning of the verse. In the phrase " the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you", the "it" is the "word of God" spoken to the Jews. It seems you added to the KJV. The Contemporary English Translation makes it clear what the "it" refers to:

But Paul and Barnabas bravely said: We had to tell God's message to you before we told it to anyone else. But you rejected the message! This proves that you don't deserve eternal life. Now we are going to the Gentiles. The Lord has given us this command, "I have placed you here as a light for the Gentiles. You are to take the saving power of God to people everywhere on earth." This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord. Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord." (Act 13:46-48 CEV)

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Dylan569 said:

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Prov 30:5-6 KJV)

The scriptures there have just called you a liar! You had NO right whatsoever to insert the words "(faith as power)" and change the meaning of the verse. In the phrase " the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you", the "it" is the "word of God" spoken to the Jews. It seems you added to the KJV. The Contemporary English Translation makes it clear what the "it" refers to:

But Paul and Barnabas bravely said: We had to tell God's message to you before we told it to anyone else. But you rejected the message! This proves that you don't deserve eternal life. Now we are going to the Gentiles. The Lord has given us this command, "I have placed you here as a light for the Gentiles. You are to take the saving power of God to people everywhere on earth." This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord. Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord." (Act 13:46-48 CEV)

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Garee said:

Thanks

I added my opinion or understanding

Yes it in as it is written .It representing "Let there be powerful faith" the living word

Faith as it is written is the power of God by which he gives us his understanding , We have it working in us but would never say his powerful faith as a labor of love is of us.. . powerless

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Faith = Christ power

No Faith us earthen vessel = no power

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Dylan569 said:

Your reply is nothing but gibberish concerning Acts 13:48.

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Dylan569 said:

I've posted Acts 13:48 online to challenge the free-will Arminian types, but they avoid trying to explain why it does not destroy their theology.

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I avoid nothing, unlike you, as I've already answered your online challenge, but your pretensions to scholarly elitism have driven you to ignore my posts. I think it's because you have no substantive rebuttal. God in his heaven sits and laughs at the pretensions of the truly uneducated. (Especially the ones who cannot admit that they don't know Greek, nor have ever studied the language.) But if you have, by all means enlighten...

• Rhema

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Dylan569 said:

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." (Prov 30:5-6 KJV)

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Dylan569 said:

Your reply is nothing but gibberish concerning Acts 13:48.

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