What is the faith once for all delivered to the saints, that heretics attack?

[Rhema]

.... do not refute the verses I put up.

I did. But I'm pretty sure you won't reply.

 

[Dylan569]

Are you trying to say that God who desires all men to be saved evil?

You wrote a one-line, simple sentence, that you could not take the time to check your grammar, or maybe you accidentally omitted a word. How can anyone answer your sentence? Reading the posts on these threads, they either misrepresent what I wrote, or they have limited reading comprehension. I believe it may be best to just ignore most posts and replies on here until someone shows up that can write a legible sentence, and expresses a bit of scholarship and evidence of study. I saw a remark once that I do not answer challenges in the replies, but it seems so rare to find replies that are worth taking the time to respond.

 

[Dylan569]

I've posted Acts 13:48 online to challenge the free-will Arminian types, but they avoid trying to explain why it does not destroy their theology. I'll quote 2 Arminian Bible scholars and show how they try to change the clear meaning of the verse. No wonder most here avoid trying to explain it away.

"And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed." (Acts 13:48 KJV)

Arminian Adam Clarke Commentary, Methodist on Acts 13:48 -
"The verb ταττω or τασσω signifies to place, set, order, appoint, dispose; hence it has been considered here as implying the disposition or readiness of mind of several persons in the congregation, such as the religious proselytes mentioned Acts 13:43, who possessed the reverse of the disposition of those Jews who spake against those things, contradicting and blaspheming, Acts 13:45. Though the word in this place has been variously translated, yet, of all the meanings ever put on it, none agrees worse with its nature and known signification than that which represents it as intending those who were predestinated to eternal life:"

Arminian James B. Coffman, Church of Christ on Acts 13:48 -
"As many as were ordained to eternal life believed … As Milligan said, this means that "As many as were disposed to accept God's plan, according to which they had been chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, believed."

The Arminians wish to change the English translation to fit their theology. I find NO translation on Bible Gateway that uses the word "disposed" in the place of ordained or destined.

Thayer
"as many as were appointed (A.V. ordained) (by God) to obtain eternal life, or to whom God had decreed eternal life, Act 13:48"

Heinrich Meyer Critical and Exegetical NT
"ὅσοι ἦσαν τεταγμένοι εἰς ζωὴν αἰώνιον] as many of them as were ordained to eternal (Messianic) life. Luke regards, in accordance with the Pauline conception (Romans 9; Eph_1:4-5; Eph_1:11; Eph_3:11; 2Th_2:13, al.), the believing of those Gentiles as ensuing in conformity to their destination, ordered by God already (namely, from of old), to partake of eternal life. Not all in general became believers, but all those who were divinely destined to this ζωή; and not the rest."

The following are various translations of the verse
"When the gentiles heard this, they were glad and praised the word of the Lord, and as many as had been destined for eternal life became believers." Act 13:48 NRSVue (2021)

"The Gentiles listened with delight and extolled the Lord's Message; and all who were pre-destined to the Life of the Ages believed." (Act 13:48 Weymouth)

"When the Gentiles heard this they were delighted and thanked God for his message. All those who were destined for eternal life believed" (Acts 13:48 Phillips)

"When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and praised the Lord's message; and those who had been chosen for eternal life became believers." (Act 13:48 GNB)

"This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord. Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord." (Act 13:48 CEV)

"The heathen kept on listening and rejoicing and giving the glory to God's message, and all who had been destined to eternal life believed, (Act 13:48 Williams NT)

A Roman Catholic Commentary on Acts 13:48 by George Leo Haydock
"As many as were pre-ordained to eternal life, by the free election, and special mercies, and providence of God. (Witham) --- Some understand this as if it meant, predisposed by their docility, to receive the word of life. But the Fathers unanimously understand it literally of predestination, which is defined by St. Thomas Aquinas, serm. i. qu. 23. a. 1. "The disposition of God, by which he prepares, what he will himself perform, according to his infallible foreknowledge." In other words, it is the manner in which God conducts a reasonable creature to its proper destiny, which is eternal life. In this mystery of the Catholic faith, which cannot be clearly explained to human understanding, because it is a mystery, there are nevertheless several points, which we know for certain. 1st. Though it is certain, that this decree of the Almighty is infallible, and must have its effect, yet it is far removed from the blasphemy of Calvinists, who pretend that it destroys free-will, and therefore removes all motives of exertion to good works."

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It sounds like there are many Roman Catholics on this Forum, as they teach the Roman Catholic system of the free-will doctrine, and on this point attacking the Calvinists, who as with Martin Luther, see no free-will in the Bible after Adam's sin!

 

[Rhema]

that you could not take the time to check your grammar,

You've made some posts with rather crappy grammar yourself, dude.
Don't go getting all stuck up and high and mighty, or I'll dump on every sentence you mess up.
Get a civil tongue in that mouth.

 

[Rhema]

Thayer

Sir, Thayer's was obsolete before it was even published. Any wise scholar would know this. Your pretensions know no bounds.

ALL THOSE BOOKS, and not one ounce of wisdom.

 

[Rhema]

I've posted Acts 13:48 online to challenge the free-will Arminian types, but they avoid trying to explain why it does not destroy their theology.

I avoid nothing, unlike you, as I've already answered your online challenge, but your pretensions to scholarly elitism have driven you to ignore my posts. I think it's because you have no substantive rebuttal. God in his heaven sits and laughs at the pretensions of the truly uneducated. (Especially the ones who cannot admit that they don't know Greek, nor have ever studied the language.) But if you have, by all means enlighten us. My CV includes Moravian Seminary and Princeton Theological. You???

Poisoning the well is such a nasty strategy, but it's obvious why you did.

So let's see if your "secret weapon" of Acts 13:48 holds to the test.

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were G5021 to eternal life believed.​

(Acts 13:48 KJV)

The word G5021 so sloppily slung around as "ordained" or "destined" or "appointed" is τάσσω.

And I provide a LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for τάσσω

A. draw up in order of battle, form, array, marshal​

BUT, note that the verb is passive in voice: τεταγμενοι with a morphology of V-RPP-NPM, and so...

A. Pass., to be drawn up​

Given the fact that the KJV changed the word order (as you can readily see in the Greek text below), here is what an English reader ought to be seeing:

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as believed were drawn up into life eternal.​

(Acts 13:48 KJV-fixed)

But by all means, @Dylan569, you are most welcome to read it for yourself:

ακουοντα δε τα εθνη εχαιρον και εδοξαζον τον λογον του κυριου και επιστευσαν οσοι ησαν τεταγμενοι εις ζωην αιωνιον​

Then again, you can't even read Acts 13:48, can you, let alone understand it.

Is it any wonder that those who have a theological bias will mistranslate a passage to promote that theological bias?

Rhema

PS: In this thread, or the other thread, or in any thread to come, the answer is still going to be the same. But you have, what, 82 years of being told a lie and likely cannot suffer the truth now.

@Christ4Ever

 

[Garee]

I avoid nothing, unlike you, as I've already answered your online challenge, but your pretensions to scholarly elitism have driven you to ignore my posts. I think it's because you have no substantive rebuttal. God in his heaven sits and laughs at the pretensions of the truly uneducated. (Especially the ones who cannot admit that they don't know Greek, nor have ever studied the language.) But if you have, by all means enlighten us. My CV includes Moravian Seminary and Princeton Theological. You???

Poisoning the well is such a nasty strategy, but it's obvious why you did.

So let's see if your "secret weapon" of Acts 13:48 holds to the test.

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were G5021 to eternal life believed.​

(Acts 13:48 KJV)

The word G5021 so sloppily slung around as "ordained" or "destined" or "appointed" is τάσσω.

And I provide a LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for τάσσω

A. draw up in order of battle, form, array, marshal​

BUT, note that the verb is passive in voice: τεταγμενοι with a morphology of V-RPP-NPM, and so...

A. Pass., to be drawn up​

Given the fact that the KJV changed the word order (as you can readily see in the Greek text below), here is what an English reader ought to be seeing:

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as believed were drawn up into life eternal.​

(Acts 13:48 KJV-fixed)

But by all means, @Dylan569, you are most welcome to read it for yourself:

ακουοντα δε τα εθνη εχαιρον και εδοξαζον τον λογον του κυριου και επιστευσαν οσοι ησαν τεταγμενοι εις ζωην αιωνιον​

Then again, you can't even read Acts 13:48, can you, let alone understand it.

Is it any wonder that those who have a theological bias will mistranslate a passage to promote that theological bias?

Rhema

PS: In this thread, or the other thread, or in any thread to come, the answer is still going to be the same. But you have, what, 82 years of being told a lie and likely cannot suffer the truth now.

@Christ4Ever

I would offer.

Look to the living Spirit of the word, Christ speaking to us. "let there be ' His quickening word, it is spirit life giving .

Acts 13: 46-48 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it (faith as power) from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.; For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.;And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

They rejected the very power of faith that could have worked in them giving eternal life... . . Blaspheming the Spirit of Christ .

 

[Rhema]

For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.;

Yeah... what a hoot... Paul applying the prophecy of Isaiah to himself.

He sure knew how to start a riot (v. 50).

Rhema