Brightfame52 said:

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As says every religious psychopath on the planet.

More on Jn 3:16

Now lets look at Jn 15:18-19

18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

In these Two verses the word world is used several times but it is limited to the meaning of those who persecuted them who stood for the Truth ! The word is never used here as all mankind without exception ! 4

Now John 17:9

Lets look at the word world [kosmos] in John 17:9

9I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

The world here surely does not mean the same as it does in Jn 3:16, why would Christ deny it to be the object of His Intercession and Prayer ?

The world here are all those among mankind that do not belong to God, yes He is still their Creator, but He is not their Covenant God, they belong to the wicked one, the Devil, and they were never given to Christ in Election as His Sheep. The world in Jn 3:16 is the World that God gave to the Son as in those He prays for in Jn 17:9 " those thou hast given me"

So, those God the Father has given the Son which the Son does Pray for is a World Jn 3:16 and those whom the Father hath not given the Son which the Son does not Pray for as in Jn 17:9 is a world.

Brightfame52 said:

9I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

The world here surely does not mean the same as it does in Jn 3:16, why would Christ deny it to be the object of His Intercession and Prayer ?

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The word means the same. OR ELSE then anybody can make anything mean anything they want. (Like you do.)

The difference is not in the word "world" but the application of the prayer. That SPECIFIC prayer is for the believers, NOT the world, whereas God DID so love the WORLD...

That's why Jesus had to make the distinction.

But YOU? You shame God by changing the words.

Rhema

Lets look at Rom 1:8

We are looking at the different ways the word world is used , and exposing the negligence of all those who render Jn 3:16, as meaning that God there is being said to Love all men without exception, when the verse does not say that, its a lie !

Rom 1:8

8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

This actually is more of what John 3:16 means, that God Loved men and women throughout the whole world.

Now here in Rom 1:8 the word world would be limited to the Roman Empire or that region. People in Egypt at that time could care less about their Faith in Christ Jesus and probably never heard of Him. It is even doubtful that every single individual without exception in the Roman Empire is even included in this statement !


Lets look at also Rom 11:12

12Now if the fall of them[ Ethnic Israel] be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

The word world here means the Gentiles, and it is even restricted in that sense as well, to be only the Elect Gentiles in the world 4

John 3:16

God has no Love for any man except His Saving and Electing Love, whereby He actually saves Chosen sinners through Christ. Why speak of God's Love and neglect to mention as it is declared in scripture, that it is discriminating Elective Love Rom 9:11-13 ; Deut 7:6-7

11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.


6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Now who can miss this grand Truth that God's Love here is the foundation for choosing a People[Israel], His Purpose according to Election!

Paul writes in Eph 1:3-5, that those Chosen in Christ were predestined in Love.

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Now is this Love of God any different from His Love to that People in Deut 7:7 or Jn 3:16 ? Are the objects of this Love different ? No it is not. In all these God's Love is toward a Chosen People Deut 7:7 or Jn 3:16. So in Jn 3:16 God's Love is towards a Chosen People in the World like He said in Deut 7:7, its the same People, but now in a different dispensation and generation !4

I would offer "whole world" represents not just the Hebrew or Jewish world

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Then are ye bastards and not sons !

Heb 12:6-8

6For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

If the Lord chastens all whom He loves, and if He Loves all men without exception, then all men without exception are chastened of the Lord. Now if that is True, then why did this inspired writer of Hebrews say, If ye be without chastening, then are ye bastards and NOT Sons ! How could he write such a comment if He believed that God Loved all men without exception ? If he believed that, then was he careless and foolish to say some could be bastards and not Son. For how could a possibility of that even happen,if God Loved all men without exception ! The reason why he said it however, is because he knew that God did not Love all men without exception.4

Garee said:

I would offer "whole world" represents not just the Hebrew or Jewish world

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

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That is true

John 3:16

Many False teachers today have corrupted and used God's word deceitfully by quoting Jn 3:16 as stating that God Loves all men, of all time without exception, and that believing in Christ here is an condition man must meet in order to get saved ! What utter Falsehood. For Jn 3:16 is stating no more than God Loved those in the world who are believing in His Son and that they should not perish. This is a Testimony that God Loved all those in the world who are believing or who are believers or shall be made believers as in Jn 17:20. So in this verse Jn 3:16, there is no testimony at all that God Loves any who are not or will become believers. Only believing in Christ is proof that God Loved someone.

Many False teachers today have corrupted and used God's word deceitfully by quoting Jn 3:16 as stating that God does not Love all men, of all time without exception, and that believing in Christ here isn't a condition man must meet in order to get saved ! What utter Falsehood.

This makes verse 15 into Lie:

(Joh 3:15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

1 Jn 3:1

If God Loved all men without exception, and His Love is the same for all, then according to 1 Jn 3:1

1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

All men without exception should be called the Son's of God ! Now if that is True, why did Jesus say to these ethnic jews ? Jn 8:42


42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Also, if God is Father of anyone then they will Love Jesus Christ, Christ said that Himself !" If God were your Father, ye would love me: "

Now Paul wrote in 1 Cor 16:22

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

Now consider this, if any man Love not Jesus, then that means according to Jn 8:42, that one has not God as their Father, and if they have not God as their Father, then how could they be loved of God the Father 1 Jn 3:1 ?

Now, see how that false teaching cannot stand the test of scripture ? 4

I would offer.

Antichrist singular. Another teaching authority other than the living word ,

Satan called the legion (many antichrists)

Anti-christs plural. . false apostles sent with false prophecy commandments of dying mankind

False teachers anti-christ's, many. . led by the spirit of antichrist Satan, one . The spirit of lies that works in the false teachers, false prophets as oral tradition of dying mankind "I head it through the fathers grapevine". Pharisees with Sadducees passed it down.

Satan who is not subject to the gospel he has no spiritual gospel understanding coming from Christ the Father. To him all of mankind could be the Christ It why when weakened Jesus was given a lying wonder showing all the kingdoms of the whole world and all the glory .He asked "if" . . . . . you are the Son of God ?????

Satan the father of lies also called the man of sin (he has no form uses men) hates the human race .

Satan the legion was close but did not hit the mark to deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man as King of kings .

He grabbed the serial denier Peter. Peter just receiving the key of interpretation (the unseen Father working in dying mankind ) the power against the gates of hell . Satan opened that gate of hell.

Mathew 16:22-24Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the( invisable) things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

The saying "get thee behind me not seen" (walk by faith) not after dying Peter, used as a false apostle false prophet

Peter rebuking the Holy Father forbidding Jesus from doing the will of the Father, Christ .

Peter our brother in the Lord the serial denier was forgiven of his blasphemy against the dying flesh and blood of the Son of man Jesus.

No forgiveness against the unseen powerful Holy Father

If God Loved all men without exception, then is God their Father according to 1 Jn 3:1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

The US here must be all men without exception for those who believe God Loved all men without exception, then all men without exception are the Sons of God and have God as their Father !

Now Jesus said to some jews this Jn 8:42a

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me:

So from this very statement of Jesus, If God is the Father of a person that person would love Christ, but Paul writes a statement about some who do not Love Christ 1 Cor 16:22

22If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

So how can this be if God Loved all men without exception ? Because if He did, then God is there Father, and if that is so, they will Love Jesus Christ as Jesus said to the jews Jn 8:42a.

(Eph 4:5-6)

Of course now you'll tell me why what is written cannot mean what is written, but that we need YOU to change the meaning of the words that were written.

And I am the one who is reckless with scripture? HA
At least I don't change the words.

Rhema

Jn 3:16 The distinguishing Love of God for the Elect !


Those who have corrupted the word of God, take a scripture like Jn 3:16 and force it to say or mean that God Loves all men without exception, even though that's not what it says or means. The Truth of scripture however states and demonstrates that His Love is distinguishing and its only to His Elect ! Deut 7:6-8

6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

8But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Christ, who is God, is said to Love the Church [World] Eph 5:25

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church[The Elect], and gave himself for it;

These are certainly not everyone in the world without exception. The Church are the Chosen of Eph 1:4, which are the Chosen of Deut 7:6-8. Remember God told His Chosen there that they were His Chosen Possession Deut 7:6 " the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself"

Now the word special is the hebrew word cĕgullah and means:

) possession, property

a) valued property, peculiar treasure

b) treasure


Now the same things are said in Eph 1:4 [Chosen] and Eph 1:18

18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

The word inheritance is the greek word klēronomia:

an inheritance, property received (or to be received) by inheritance

2) what is given to one as a possession

a) the eternal blessedness of the consummated kingdom of God which is to be expected after the visible return of Christ

b) the share which an individual will have in that eternal blessedness


So this being God's Chosen inheritance in Deut 7:6-7 was because of them being designated by the Father, when He chose us in Christ. 4

Brightfame52 said:

Those who have corrupted the word of God, take a scripture like Jn 3:16 and force it to say or mean that God Loves all men without exception, even though that's not what it says or means. The Truth of scripture however states and demonstrates that His Love is distinguishing and its only to His Elect !

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Many False teachers today have corrupted and used God's word deceitfully by quoting Jn 3:16 and force it to say that God does not Love all men, of all time without exception, and that believing in Christ here isn't a condition man must meet in order to get saved ! What utter Falsehood.

This makes verse 15 into Lie:

(Joh 3:15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

It does not say, whosoever God had created to believeth. The false prophets and teachers who follow their Master of Lies always add in words to change the meaning.

Rhema

The Love that God has for them He Loves Deut 7:6-7 has it's origin in Eternity, premised on His Gift of His Son, whose goings forth hath been from everlasting Mic 5:2, He having been ordained to die for the objects of His Love before the world began 1 Pet 1:20

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you[The Elect 1 Pet 1:1-2]

That God had a distinguishing Love among the human family of men is seen by His words here Mal 1:2

2I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, Notice, He did not say that He Loved Esau, Jacobs brother, He made a point to emphasize that !

Here it is affirmed even amongst men of the same human family of siblings, God Loved Jacob only, and not His brother esau. Now the Truth of the matter is this, each one of us falls into the category of either Jacob, those God Loves or esau, those God hates see Rom 9:13, meaning God does not Love ! We can rebel against this Truth all we want, it is not going to change God one bit !

Rhema said:

Many False teachers today have corrupted and used God's word deceitfully by quoting Jn 3:16 and force it to say that God does not Love all men, of all time without exception, and that believing in Christ here isn't a condition man must meet in order to get saved ! What utter Falsehood.

This makes verse 15 into Lie:

(Joh 3:15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

It does not say, whosoever God had created to believeth. The false prophets and teachers who follow their Master of Lies always add in words to change the meaning.

Rhema

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We will see in the day of Judgment who corrupted the word of God

Brightfame52 said:

We will see in the day of Judgment who corrupted the word of God

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Why? We already know that now. You don't have to wait to figure out that you changed the words and their meanings.

Rhema