Dylan569 said:

I do not compare M-M relationships to the biblical Man-Female wife in any way. M-M does not qualify for marriage, but in addition, I do not see the sins of fornication and adultery anywhere in scripture applied to any M-M sin. So, the approach of all sex outside of marriage may be sin in the consideration of M-F, who are eligible to marry; but the argument I see has no force applied to M-M.

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Therein is why you cannot and/or will not ever be able to see M-M as a sin against God. By looking at it in that way, you've given them a special standing/dispensation if you will before God that cannot also be supported by scripture. Even though you would disagree that M-M is unacceptable, why doesn't scripture still address the M-M in marriage/relationship as being acceptable?

Dylan569 said:

This does not mean that I do not see boundaries, or guidelines for M-M relationships, though not so clearly defined as with M-F. Obviously abuse whether rape or even emotional abuse would be sin. I believe faithfulness applies to any relationship between individuals, so that also applies.

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Sadly, by doing the above you are picking and choosing what to accept and allowing for whatever you decide is acceptable and would not apply to what you put forth earlier about marriage if it were true. The only reason I can see is that you do not like to have no boundaries because of the negative impact that would have in M-M relationships. So, these and I'm sure others seem acceptable and needful for the relationship to be a positive one. lol

So, would you then find no wrong for the members in my church who broke up a marriage with a Female since by what you have presented, they are not held by the boundaries of a heterosexual relationship except maybe for the sake of propriety but not because Scripture says so?

Dylan569 said:

BUT, I really do understand the situation a truly Bible-believing Pastor may have dealing with the situation of a member of the church family who is dealing with this situation. Since so much would depend on the personality of the Pastor himself, it seems a church needs to have some sort of statement that can cover such matters in general. I admit I cannot expect believers to all agree, so the best solution that I can see may be as follows.

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I won't add the rest or address the individual precepts that you believe would be helpful for a pastor/church to consider implementing.
What I see that you are doing here, is just replacing/excluding scripture with manmade prerogatives instead. Bad road to attempt to follow.

Dylan569 said:

I can certainly understand the Christian who can't see M-M sexual relationships as anything other than sin. Maybe from that perspective, it is the residual manifestation of Original Sin found in the best of Christians and it just remains a struggle that brings about bitterness and constant sadness and depression. I do not believe simple M-M relationships with physical intimacy is necessarily sinful unless it entails promiscuity and abusiveness.

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Sadly, that is why we will never agree, because you've excluded even that which would have seen M-M as sin in anyway shape or form. Doing so means then there is nothing anyone has to repent of morally speaking and so they remain in their sin. And that is really why we will not agree.

Dylan569 said:

I went online with the Windows 95 and immediately began debating theology and the hot-button topics like homosexuality and abortion. In so doing, I did my best and most successful study when I was challenged. If my stirring up angers in some believers, maybe it will lead to more study also.

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At the very least it will keep the topic on the forefront that one's afflicted will seek Jesus Christ, repent of all sins and be healed.

Take care and God bless.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Dylan569 said:

It is difficult to explain, if the sin of Sodom was homosexuality, why did Jesus not use that as the example instead of the rejection of the messengers of God? Jesus applied the sin of Sodom as not receiving the messengers of God. Jesus not once hinted that the sin of Sodom was a male to male sexual sin. Ezekiel made clear what the sin of Sodom was:

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I would offer for one thing it was the apostles he sent. Those homosexuals' desired to have non reproductive sex with the apostles .

In that way he rejected the union of MM .

Friends can be friend without reproduction responsibilities. Not rights. Christian's have responsibilities .Male his, female hers.

Dylan569 said:

It is true, for the elect of whatever nature and persuasion, if he is looking to Jesus Christ's payment for his sins on the cross; and looks solely to Jesus Christ as his righteousness, rather than his own perceived progress in sanctification; that person is justified, saved, and loved by God Almighty and rescued by God the Son in his mission into our world.

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Not whatever nature and persuasion but a supernatural Let there be and it was good work of the Spirit.

Sons of God not knowing what we will be when receiving the new incorruptible bodies. . being neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile the bride of wife of Christ.

It would appear you are saying the ressurection has come. The hope of reincarnation false religion . . come back whatsoever you can identify as male female, animal, fish etc.

Satan the identity thief the racist Misogynist

We are not what we will be. but that does not mean we can just imgaine boys need tampons. Satan trying to divide what God calls one and calls one what God calls many . He made Mankind male and female . Not Male and Male

No reproducing in the new heavens and earth , No Appearance of Quern of heaven along with the 3,500 and rising patron saints his and hers gods in the likeness of mankind

Overthrew the faithful (understanding of God ) of some, they repented.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Garee said:

I would offer for one thing it was the apostles he sent. Those homosexuals' desired to have non reproductive sex with the apostles .

In that way he rejected the union of MM .

Friends can be friend without reproduction responsibilities. Not rights. Christian's have responsibilities .Male his, female hers.


Not whatever nature and persuasion but a supernatural Let there be and it was good work of the Spirit.

Sons of God not knowing what we will be when receiving the new incorruptible bodies. . being neither male nor female, Jew nor Gentile the bride of wife of Christ.

It would appear you are saying the ressurection has come. The hope of reincarnation false religion . . come back whatsoever you can identify as male female, animal, fish etc.

Satan the identity thief the racist Misogynist

We are not what we will be. but that does not mean we can just imgaine boys need tampons. Satan trying to divide what God calls one and calls one what God calls many . He made Mankind male and female . Not Male and Male

No reproducing in the new heavens and earth , No Appearance of Quern of heaven along with the 3,500 and rising patron saints his and hers gods in the likeness of mankind

Overthrew the faithful (understanding of God ) of some, they repented.

2 Timothy 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

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Sodom and Gomorrah were two of the WORST places in the known world.
Some of the sins prevalent there are shown without labeling it outright.
"And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
To "know" someone back then was to have sex with them; willingly or not. The KJV uses "carnally".
The debate on "which one was the biggest/most common" isn't agreed on.
Sodomy IS named for that city. "There is the Latin term gomorrhaeus (Italian "gomorreo") that derive from Gomorrah, meaning 'sodomite'."

Rape. Murder. Incest. Child sacrifice. Abuse. Theft. If you can think of a sin or wrongdoing then most likely it was done in both places.
People warned everyone they could to AVOID them.

MedicBravo said:

Sodom and Gomorrah were two of the WORST places in the known world.
Some of the sins prevalent there are shown without labeling it outright.
"And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.”
To "know" someone back then was to have sex with them; willingly or not. The KJV uses "carnally".
The debate on "which one was the biggest/most common" isn't agreed on.
Sodomy IS named for that city. "There is the Latin term gomorrhaeus (Italian "gomorreo") that derive from Gomorrah, meaning 'sodomite'."

Rape. Murder. Incest. Child sacrifice. Abuse. Theft. If you can think of a sin or wrongdoing then most likely it was done in both places.
People warned everyone they could to AVOID them.

https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/what-was-primary-sin-sodom-gomorrah/

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Amen calls out men not angels a fake word .

Yes city of salt the fiery judgment consumes life

Jehovah/Yahweh, our "Abba Father/Daddy" spoke in Jesus and said we have to wait on His Anointing of the Holy Spirit before we can go out and be Witnesses of Jesus. Only in manifesting the Live of Jesus in Power to anyone can they be saved when they see the Greatness of His Life in us manifested before their eyes. That is the sign of Jonas given to all believers.

Mat. 12:
38 ¶Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.
43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last stateof that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.

Only those who reject the Holy Spirit of God became worse than He was before. Let them go on to manifest the darkness more and more and let those who grow should grow more and more. Till Light and darkness are clearly seen by even the most stubborn. To save all the elect. The rest can no be saved. They rejected the sacrifice and the Holy Spirit and are doing the "sin unto death". Also called the "unforgivable sin".

Rev. 22:
11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.