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11:11 WORLD WIDE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM GOD THE FATHER

Well I don't want you to believe what you want. I want you to believe Jesus died and was raised for the forgiveness of your sins. Believe the truth of scripture and dump everything else that does not line up with gods word. Jesus will come back when the Father says it is time.

Vincent please understand that Jesus is my Lord and Savior so you just have to see how silly you sound when you say you want me to believe Jesus died and was raised for the forgiveness of your sins. Your preaching to the choir Vincent. Ha ha!

I want to tell you about an amazing experience I had with Jesus one day in hope that you might come to understand that 11:11 is Revelation 11:11 and it is God the Father announcing the Second Coming of His Son Jesus at the Rapture.

JESUS CAME INTO THE ROOM

One day while worshiping and praising the Lord in my bedroom Jesus popped in to say hi. When He came into the room His presence touched me like never before. I cannot believe how dumb my response was to Jesus. I said; “Your here” I know that presence I feel it every time you speak to me. Jesus responded, “Yes Bruce that is why I have come so that you would always know when I am speaking to you” Thank you Lord.

The Lord had been speaking to me for a few years well before I ever heard about people from around the world have the 11:11 experience. So when I had my experience with 11:11 I knew exactly what it all meant. The so called nice feeling that is associated with these numbers is the presence of God. He is hitting them, touching them, saying son pay attention I have something important to say to you. I know this to be true because I was hit with the presence of God when I first saw 11:11 appear on a calculator and I know what it all means because the Lord told me.

Vincent 11:11 is Revelation 11 verse 11 and it lines up with the Bible very well because it is the Bible.

1 Corinthians 15 verses 51-53 it states that we will be resurrected or have our mortal bodies changed into immortal bodies at the last trump.

51-52 Listen to this secret truth: we shall not all die, but when the last trumpet sounds, we shall all be changed in an instant, as quickly as the blinking of an eye. For when the trumpet sounds, the dead will be raised, never to die again, and we shall all be changed. 53 For what is mortal must be changed into what is immortal;

We Christians know that the above scripture concerns the First Resurrection of the dead and the Rapture. Make a note that according to this scripture that the Resurrection and the Rapture will take place when the last trumpet sounds.

Lets read one more scripture that is found in this very same chapter.

1 Corinthians 15 verse 28

28 But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.

Ever since the fall in the garden the Lord has been taking back His Kingdom in increments or step by step. The cross was a huge step in taking back God's Kingdom. When Jesus gave His life for us on a the cross the Bible records that in doing so He took back the keys to hell and the grave.


If we can find a place in the scriptures where the last trumpet is sounding and the place where 28 But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, or when Christ takes His Kingdom back completely and begins to rule and reign supreme, we will then find when the Resurrection and the Rapture will take place.

Revelation 11

15 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices shouting in heaven:

“The world has now become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,[c]
and he will reign forever and ever.”

16 The twenty-four elders sitting on their thrones before God fell with their faces to the ground and worshiped him. 17 And they said,

“We give thanks to you, Lord God, the Almighty,
the one who is and who always was,
for now you have assumed your great power
and have begun to reign.
18 The nations were filled with wrath,
but now the time of your wrath has come.
It is time to judge the dead
and reward your servants the prophets,
as well as your holy people,
and all who fear your name,
from the least to the greatest.
It is time to destroy
all who have caused destruction on the earth.”

It is here we find the last or 7th Trumpet sounding and look what takes place when the seventh trumpet takes place. In verse 17 it states the Lord begins to reign and the time of God Wrath has come and it is time to reward all who fear the name of Jesus.

Now how can the Lord reward all who fear His name unless all of His people are now with Him in heaven?

The Lord wants us to know what is going to happen, so we can be prepared, and to help us in calling others to repentance. There is no question that God has revealed these things to us and that He intends for us to be encouraged and instructed by them.

The Rapture takes place some where in the middle of the tribulation period, and saints need to be prepared to endure the great trials that are just before us. We need to know when the last trump will sound, when the Rapture will take place so that we can be prepared for it. And that is why the Lord is sending His 11:11 announcement to the nations at this time. When God said He would pour out His Spirit upon all flesh He meant all flesh not just Christians. This announcement of the Second Coming of Christ is crossing all borders and it doesn't matter what religion you believe in God is sending the message to everyone.

I told God “they wont believe me” Jesus replied; “Tell them anyway because my Bride will believe you”

Jesus said I do only what I see the Father doing and that's exactly what I am doing.

I hope this will help you to believe that the Father is right now announcing that His Son Jesus is coming. If you still don't believe after I offered you absolute proof then I will have to leave you with the Lord to open your eyes to this amazing revelation.

Lonely Ranger
 
Well I don't want you to believe what you want. I want you to believe Jesus died and was raised for the forgiveness of your sins. Believe the truth of scripture and dump everything else that does not line up with gods word. Jesus will come back when the Father says it is time.

Vincent please understand that Jesus is my Lord and Savior so you just have to see how silly you sound when you say you want me to believe Jesus died and was raised for the forgiveness of your sins. Your preaching to the choir Vincent. Ha ha!

I want to tell you about an amazing experience I had with Jesus one day in hope that you might come to understand that 11:11 is Revelation 11:11 and it is God the Father announcing the Second Coming of His Son Jesus at the Rapture.

JESUS CAME INTO THE ROOM

One day while worshiping and praising the Lord in my bedroom Jesus popped in to say hi. When He came into the room His presence touched me like never before. I cannot believe how dumb my response was to Jesus. I said; “Your here” I know that presence I feel it every time you speak to me. Jesus responded, “Yes Bruce that is why I have come so that you would always know when I am speaking to you” Thank you Lord.

The Lord had been speaking to me for a few years well before I ever heard about people from around the world have the 11:11 experience. So when I had my experience with 11:11 I knew exactly what it all meant. The so called nice feeling that is associated with these numbers is the presence of God. He is hitting them, touching them, saying son pay attention I have something important to say to you. I know this to be true because I was hit with the presence of God when I first saw 11:11 appear on a calculator and I know what it all means because the Lord told me.

Vincent 11:11 is Revelation 11 verse 11 and it lines up with the Bible very well because it is the Bible.

1 Corinthians 15 verses 51-53 it states that we will be resurrected or have our mortal bodies changed into immortal bodies at the last trump.

51-52 Listen to this secret truth: we shall not all die, but when the last trumpet sounds, we shall all be changed in an instant, as quickly as the blinking of an eye. For when the trumpet sounds, the dead will be raised, never to die again, and we shall all be changed. 53 For what is mortal must be changed into what is immortal;

We Christians know that the above scripture concerns the First Resurrection of the dead and the Rapture. Make a note that according to this scripture that the Resurrection and the Rapture will take place when the last trumpet sounds.

Lets read one more scripture that is found in this very same chapter.

1 Corinthians 15 verse 28

28 But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.

Ever since the fall in the garden the Lord has been taking back His Kingdom in increments or step by step. The cross was a huge step in taking back God's Kingdom. When Jesus gave His life for us on a the cross the Bible records that in doing so He took back the keys to hell and the grave.


If we can find a place in the scriptures where the last trumpet is sounding and the place where 28 But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, or when Christ takes His Kingdom back completely and begins to rule and reign supreme, we will then find when the Resurrection and the Rapture will take place.

Revelation 11

15 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices shouting in heaven:

“The world has now become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,[c]
and he will reign forever and ever.”

16 The twenty-four elders sitting on their thrones before God fell with their faces to the ground and worshiped him. 17 And they said,

“We give thanks to you, Lord God, the Almighty,
the one who is and who always was,
for now you have assumed your great power
and have begun to reign.
18 The nations were filled with wrath,
but now the time of your wrath has come.
It is time to judge the dead
and reward your servants the prophets,
as well as your holy people,
and all who fear your name,
from the least to the greatest.
It is time to destroy
all who have caused destruction on the earth.”

It is here we find the last or 7th Trumpet sounding and look what takes place when the seventh trumpet takes place. In verse 17 it states the Lord begins to reign and the time of God Wrath has come and it is time to reward all who fear the name of Jesus.

Now how can the Lord reward all who fear His name unless all of His people are now with Him in heaven?

The Lord wants us to know what is going to happen, so we can be prepared, and to help us in calling others to repentance. There is no question that God has revealed these things to us and that He intends for us to be encouraged and instructed by them. As shown here the Rapture of the church takes place some where in the middle of the tribulation period, and saints need to be prepared to endure the great trials that are just before us. We need to know when the last trump will sound, when the Rapture will take place so that we can be prepared for it. And that is why the Lord is sending His 11:11 announcement to the nations at this time. When God said He would pour out His Spirit upon all flesh He meant all flesh not just Christians. This announcement of the Second Coming of Christ is crossing all borders and it doesn't matter what religion you believe in God is sending the message to everyone.

I told God “they wont believe me” Jesus replied; “Tell them anyway because my Bride will believe you”

Jesus said I do only what I see the Father doing and that's exactly what I am doing.

I hope this will help you to believe that the Father is right now announcing that His Son Jesus is coming. If you still don't believe after I offered you absolute proof then I will have to leave you with the Lord to open your eyes to this amazing revelation.



Lonely Ranger
 
Vincent please understand that Jesus is my Lord and Savior so you just have to see how silly you sound when you say you want me to believe Jesus died and was raised for the forgiveness of your sins. Your preaching to the choir Vincent. Ha ha!
I did not mean to imply you were not a Christian, I am sorry if I did. I believe you are a brother in Christ. I just commented that just maybe your focus and energy are misplaced. There are people so enthralled with looking for signs of the end times that they miss the commands of Jesus to teach the gospel, take care of others etc.


One day while worshiping and praising the Lord in my bedroom Jesus popped in to say hi. When He came into the room His presence touched me like never before. I cannot believe how dumb my response was to Jesus. I said; “Your here” I know that presence I feel it every time you speak to me. Jesus responded, “Yes Bruce that is why I have come so that you would always know when I am speaking to you” Thank you Lord.
So did you see Jesus, how did you know it was him? Just a feeling? I don't think you understood my last post. I cannot know that you have received this message from Jesus. The only way I can possible know if what you say actually happens. The prophets made specific claims and they happened, that is how we know they were truly speaking for God.

The Lord had been speaking to me for a few years well before I ever heard about people from around the world have the 11:11 experience. So when I had my experience with 11:11 I knew exactly what it all meant. The so called nice feeling that is associated with these numbers is the presence of God. He is hitting them, touching them, saying son pay attention I have something important to say to you. I know this to be true because I was hit with the presence of God when I first saw 11:11 appear on a calculator and I know what it all means because the Lord told me.

Vincent 11:11 is Revelation 11 verse 11 and it lines up with the Bible very well because it is the Bible.

1 Corinthians 15 verses 51-53 it states that we will be resurrected or have our mortal bodies changed into immortal bodies at the last trump.

51-52 Listen to this secret truth: we shall not all die, but when the last trumpet sounds, we shall all be changed in an instant, as quickly as the blinking of an eye. For when the trumpet sounds, the dead will be raised, never to die again, and we shall all be changed. 53 For what is mortal must be changed into what is immortal;

We Christians know that the above scripture concerns the First Resurrection of the dead and the Rapture. Make a note that according to this scripture that the Resurrection and the Rapture will take place when the last trumpet sounds.

Lets read one more scripture that is found in this very same chapter.

1 Corinthians 15 verse 28

28 But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.

Ever since the fall in the garden the Lord has been taking back His Kingdom in increments or step by step. The cross was a huge step in taking back God's Kingdom. When Jesus gave His life for us on a the cross the Bible records that in doing so He took back the keys to hell and the grave.


If we can find a place in the scriptures where the last trumpet is sounding and the place where 28 But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, or when Christ takes His Kingdom back completely and begins to rule and reign supreme, we will then find when the Resurrection and the Rapture will take place.

Revelation 11

15 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices shouting in heaven:

“The world has now become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,[c]
and he will reign forever and ever.”

16 The twenty-four elders sitting on their thrones before God fell with their faces to the ground and worshiped him. 17 And they said,

“We give thanks to you, Lord God, the Almighty,
the one who is and who always was,
for now you have assumed your great power
and have begun to reign.
18 The nations were filled with wrath,
but now the time of your wrath has come.
It is time to judge the dead
and reward your servants the prophets,
as well as your holy people,
and all who fear your name,
from the least to the greatest.
It is time to destroy
all who have caused destruction on the earth.”

It is here we find the last or 7th Trumpet sounding and look what takes place when the seventh trumpet takes place. In verse 17 it states the Lord begins to reign and the time of God Wrath has come and it is time to reward all who fear the name of Jesus.

Now how can the Lord reward all who fear His name unless all of His people are now with Him in heaven?
I have no problem with this theology of the end times. I do have a problem with you saying 11:11 is a sign from God. There is no proof of that.

The Lord wants us to know what is going to happen, so we can be prepared, and to help us in calling others to repentance.
We don't need 11:11 for that. We are commanded to do this as Christians.

The Rapture takes place some where in the middle of the tribulation period, and saints need to be prepared to endure the great trials that are just before us. We need to know when the last trump will sound, when the Rapture will take place so that we can be prepared for it. And that is why the Lord is sending His 11:11 announcement to the nations at this time. When God said He would pour out His Spirit upon all flesh He meant all flesh not just Christians. This announcement of the Second Coming of Christ is crossing all borders and it doesn't matter what religion you believe in God is sending the message to everyone.
Why send a sign and not just tell us directly? You said I had a small god for not believing in this sign because I wanted an obvious sign. I think I actually have a big god that can convince everyone he is coming back if he so desired without a magical number.

I told God “they wont believe me” Jesus replied; “Tell them anyway because my Bride will believe you”
So you are telling me I am not part of the church and not saved because I don't believe you? Seems pretty narcissistic. This is why I take a hard stand against personal revelation without proof. It leads to division in the church and people telling others if they are saved or not.

I hope this will help you to believe that the Father is right now announcing that His Son Jesus is coming. If you still don't believe after I offered you absolute proof then I will have to leave you with the Lord to open your eyes to this amazing revelation.
What you have said is not absolute proof. How can you even believe that? You have done a good Bible study which a lot of it I agree with, but you make a leap when you say the number 11:11 is a sign form God, that is not in the Bible anywhere.
 
@Lonely Ranger
I've read two out of three, and was going to wait until I finished the third before replying. This part of my post is meant for everyone posting on this thread.

In seeing conflicts arising between you and others or others and you. I could no longer wait to reply. Why? Because the questioning of each others should be done without bitter or inciting type of words. It should not be so! Leet it be done in knowledge and for increase of the Kingdom of God, to His Glory.

We should remember that if we are truly brothers & sisters in Christ Jesus than doctrinal arguments should pale to the bond we hold with each other, for it is forged by and in the Blood of Christ through the Holy Spirit by the Grace of God.

I heard it said here that the truth doesn't take sides, rather it is we who do.

In reading what you have written. What I was seeking in truth was not the significance of these numbers for what do we as believers have to do with numerology? Rather how you interpreted or saw eschatology within the times we now live.

Considering how preaching has gone away from what some would call the "Fire & Brimstone" method. It could easily mean because God's judgment is not something often contemplated in many churches today. That the possibility that a general warning to the world to reach both believer and non-believer is given through some sort of sign. As it was given through different religions in bits and pieces concerning the arrival of the Messiah. This would not be a surprise to me at all.

With that being said I do have a question for you brother. Not having read the third part in which you might have answered the following question I would beg apologies ahead of time for asking you it out of turn. You mention in the second part about "being ready". Is this just a general statement of preparation or one meant as a suggested strengthening for the believer for the trying times that are coming upon us, that scripture foretells of occurring during the end of times? or something else entirely?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Hi Nick, blessings to you this day. I'm in agreement with what you wrote. So far, I've read each and every post in this thread. As you may already know, my Son Skip and I spend a vast amount of time in God's Word and daily speak of the wonders of Yahweh. I start my day at 2 to 2:30 am each day. My Son starts at 3 to 3:30 am. We both seek communion with Elohim thru His Word, prayer, and meditation. About 6:00 am, we discuss what our Lord has revealed to each.

I say all of this just to inform you and others that we are extremely dedicated to be close to Jesus and His Spirit. As I have read these posts, I am unmoved by this 11:11. It does nothing in my spirit. As a result, I can't offer any analysis what so ever.

What our Brother Lonely Ranger has posted is all new to me as I've never heard of it. I guess I'll seek the Holy Spirit in the upcoming days and see what happens. I'll be looking for your posts on this subject because I trust your wisdom and instruction....Thank you, and I love you.

Note: I've read some very disturbing accusations toward Lonely Ranger. IMO, that is dangerous grounds and I feel that those kinds of judgment should wait until more Truth comes to light. Just my opinion.
 
3 stands for the Trinity is that numerology

I could do this all day

Dear Brother @Lonely Ranger - Let's not do this all day! :smile:

So before we get too deep into this let's see what numerology is or better yet. Let's provide a definition.

Numerology is any belief in the divine, mystical relationship between a number and one or more coinciding events.It is also the study of the numerical value of the letters in words, names and ideas.

Now to your example. Let's expand on that for a moment and see how what you stated could be considered numerology.

If I said 3 stands for trinity would that be numerology? In a way yes. Why, because "Trinity" does not mean "3", but rather "threefold", "triad", "triple" etc. Not actually the number "3" which would be "tres". You are attributing the number "3" a significance that does not belong to the word trinity, but rather to the text we would write as being "three".

To expand the use of the number "3" to then mean it signifies "Trinity" whenever you used it, as in "God the Father, God the Son, Got the Holy Ghost". Then you would start to be utilizing numerology. For now you've made it more than a number, and have attributed something outside of its original intent and given it an attribute that can easily be seen as having a divine nature associated to it. Doing so is "Numerology".
I hope you were able to follow the above reasoning. For my intent is not to confuse or give a false idea that the use of numbers and words should all be considered as having aspects of numerology associated with them when combined. Just that the example you used and the use of "11:11" and its variations can easily move into this arena that no Believer should be delving into.

I just stood there and then I asked Jesus why he was talking to me now after all these years, I told him I have to know. He said: "It's because you have died to yourself, you have passed from death to life, you are now living with me".

Jesus continued: "Not much has changed since Moses lead the Children of Israel out of Egypt and into the wilderness. Today not one of my people are at the same place in the wilderness and the way out is different for each one of them. They can search for a million years and never find their way out, they must come directly to me for I am the way. He then said: "Tell everyone this".

I don't seek to place questions to your experiences and what you heard/saw, but seek to know whether what you write was word for word or pretty close to what was communicated to you. For there is a saying that "The Devil is in the details". Here is why. For me that saying means that deception is not always obvious. Charles Spurgeon talking about discernment wrote "Discernment is not simply a matter of telling the difference between what is right and wrong; rather it is the difference between right and almost right." One obvious example is the use of Scripture by Satan in tempting our Lord Jesus Christ in the desert. His Word, but wrongly used.

The part that I emphasized/highlighted in your post above is one of my concerns. Scripturally speaking I know that Jesus "lives in me"

Verses: 2 Corinthians 4:6-7, 3:5; Romans 8:10; Galatians 1:15-16, 2:20, 4:19; Ephesians 3:17; Colossians 1:27; 2 Thessalonians 1:10

Notice that the use of His presence is not "with" but rather "in". I've looked for the use of "with us" in scripture, but could not find one. Someone else might know in the original Greek or Hebrew/Aramaic if they even used prepositions? This I do not know. Maybe, another Brother or Sister might be able to assist with this part.

You and others might believe I'm "splitting hairs" so to speak. Yet, when it comes to the Word of God. Should we be taking it lightly or hold it even closer to us?

I was given a vision last June about what is coming very soon now. If you guys will just relax and know that we are on the same side I will share this vision with you.
I'm relaxed Brother :shades: Why? Because I trust in His Word and the Promises He has made. For our God does not lie. Numbers 23:9; Titus 1:2; Hebrews 16:8 etc.

I'll reemphasize that I haven't read the third part of your posting. Which is where I'll assume you'll answer my question about what you mean by "being ready". With that being said. So far I haven't read anything that we can not find in scripture that relates to our Lord's return and end of days apart from the numbers usage. Which for me makes for an enjoyable read as well as a reminder of the times we are living in. Though sad for those who don't yet believe; I do rejoice! For our Lord is Returning!

With the Love of Christ Jesus brother, I pray that you take this post as two brothers bonded by the Blood of Christ Jesus who are seeking at the very least to sharpen ourselves in the knowledge of His Word, to the Glory of God!
YBIC
Nick
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@Chopper
Thank-you for your input into this discussion. I agree, especially in your closing concerning the accusations towards @Lonely Ranger
Love you as well my Dear Brother!
YBIC
Nick
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Dear Brother @Lonely Ranger - Let's not do this all day! :smile:

So before we get too deep into this let's see what numerology is or better yet. Let's provide a definition.

Numerology is any belief in the divine, mystical relationship between a number and one or more coinciding events.It is also the study of the numerical value of the letters in words, names and ideas.

Now to your example. Let's expand on that for a moment and see how what you stated could be considered numerology.

If I said 3 stands for trinity would that be numerology? In a way yes. Why, because "Trinity" does not mean "3", but rather "threefold", "triad", "triple" etc. Not actually the number "3" which would be "tres". You are attributing the number "3" a significance that does not belong to the word trinity, but rather to the text we would write as being "three".

To expand the use of the number "3" to then mean it signifies "Trinity" whenever you used it, as in "God the Father, God the Son, Got the Holy Ghost". Then you would start to be utilizing numerology. For now you've made it more than a number, and have attributed something outside of its original intent and given it an attribute that can easily be seen as having a divine nature associated to it. Doing so is "Numerology".
I hope you were able to follow the above reasoning. For my intent is not to confuse or give a false idea that the use of numbers and words should all be considered as having aspects of numerology associated with them when combined. Just that the example you used and the use of "11:11" and its variations can easily move into this arena that no Believer should be delving into.



I don't seek to place questions to your experiences and what you heard/saw, but seek to know whether what you write was word for word or pretty close to what was communicated to you. For there is a saying that "The Devil is in the details". Here is why. For me that saying means that deception is not always obvious. Charles Spurgeon talking about discernment wrote "Discernment is not simply a matter of telling the difference between what is right and wrong; rather it is the difference between right and almost right." One obvious example is the use of Scripture by Satan in tempting our Lord Jesus Christ in the desert. His Word, but wrongly used.

The part that I emphasized/highlighted in your post above is one of my concerns. Scripturally speaking I know that Jesus "lives in me"

Verses: 2 Corinthians 4:6-7, 3:5; Romans 8:10; Galatians 1:15-16, 2:20, 4:19; Ephesians 3:17; Colossians 1:27; 2 Thessalonians 1:10

Notice that the use of His presence is not "with" but rather "in". I've looked for the use of "with us" in scripture, but could not find one. Someone else might know in the original Greek or Hebrew/Aramaic if they even used prepositions? This I do not know. Maybe, another Brother or Sister might be able to assist with this part.

You and others might believe I'm "splitting hairs" so to speak. Yet, when it comes to the Word of God. Should we be taking it lightly or hold it even closer to us?


I'm relaxed Brother :shades: Why? Because I trust in His Word and the Promises He has made. For our God does not lie. Numbers 23:9; Titus 1:2; Hebrews 16:8 etc.

I'll reemphasize that I haven't read the third part of your posting. Which is where I'll assume you'll answer my question about what you mean by "being ready". With that being said. So far I haven't read anything that we can not find in scripture that relates to our Lord's return and end of days apart from the numbers usage. Which for me makes for an enjoyable read as well as a reminder of the times we are living in. Though sad for those who don't yet believe; I do rejoice! For our Lord is Returning!

With the Love of Christ Jesus brother, I pray that you take this post as two brothers bonded by the Blood of Christ Jesus who are seeking at the very least to sharpen ourselves in the knowledge of His Word, to the Glory of God!
YBIC
Nick
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I did not mean to imply you were not a Christian, I am sorry if I did. I believe you are a brother in Christ. I just commented that just maybe your focus and energy are misplaced. There are people so enthralled with looking for signs of the end times that they miss the commands of Jesus to teach the gospel, take care of others etc.


So did you see Jesus, how did you know it was him? Just a feeling? I don't think you understood my last post. I cannot know that you have received this message from Jesus. The only way I can possible know if what you say actually happens. The prophets made specific claims and they happened, that is how we know they were truly speaking for God.

I have no problem with this theology of the end times. I do have a problem with you saying 11:11 is a sign from God. There is no proof of that.

We don't need 11:11 for that. We are commanded to do this as Christians.

Why send a sign and not just tell us directly? You said I had a small god for not believing in this sign because I wanted an obvious sign. I think I actually have a big god that can convince everyone he is coming back if he so desired without a magical number.

So you are telling me I am not part of the church and not saved because I don't believe you? Seems pretty narcissistic. This is why I take a hard stand against personal revelation without proof. It leads to division in the church and people telling others if they are saved or not.

What you have said is not absolute proof. How can you even believe that? You have done a good Bible study which a lot of it I agree with, but you make a leap when you say the number 11:11 is a sign form God, that is not in the Bible anywhere.

It would be wise to go to prayer about this and then wait on the Lord for His response. Wouldn't it be crazy to find out that you were fighting against the very God you love so much when you thought you were helping his cause. No condemnation here I believe our big God has great grace for all.

I rest my case and encourage all to go to prayer and hear from our Lord on the matter.

Lonely Ranger
 
@Lonely Ranger
I've read two out of three, and was going to wait until I finished the third before replying. This part of my post is meant for everyone posting on this thread.

In seeing conflicts arising between you and others or others and you. I could no longer wait to reply. Why? Because the questioning of each others should be done without bitter or inciting type of words. It should not be so! Leet it be done in knowledge and for increase of the Kingdom of God, to His Glory.

We should remember that if we are truly brothers & sisters in Christ Jesus than doctrinal arguments should pale to the bond we hold with each other, for it is forged by and in the Blood of Christ through the Holy Spirit by the Grace of God.

I heard it said here that the truth doesn't take sides, rather it is we who do.

In reading what you have written. What I was seeking in truth was not the significance of these numbers for what do we as believers have to do with numerology? Rather how you interpreted or saw eschatology within the times we now live.

Considering how preaching has gone away from what some would call the "Fire & Brimstone" method. It could easily mean because God's judgment is not something often contemplated in many churches today. That the possibility that a general warning to the world to reach both believer and non-believer is given through some sort of sign. As it was given through different religions in bits and pieces concerning the arrival of the Messiah. This would not be a surprise to me at all.

With that being said I do have a question for you brother. Not having read the third part in which you might have answered the following question I would beg apologies ahead of time for asking you it out of turn. You mention in the second part about "being ready". Is this just a general statement of preparation or one meant as a suggested strengthening for the believer for the trying times that are coming upon us, that scripture foretells of occurring during the end of times? or something else entirely?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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It would be wise to go to prayer about this and then wait on the Lord for His response. Wouldn't it be crazy to find out that you were fighting against the very God you love so much when you thought you were helping his cause. No condemnation here I believe our big God has great grace for all.

I rest my case and encourage all to go to prayer and hear from our Lord on the matter.

Lonely Ranger
 
It would be wise to go to prayer about this and then wait on the Lord for His response. Wouldn't it be crazy to find out that you were fighting against the very God you love so much when you thought you were helping his cause. No condemnation here I believe our big God has great grace for all.

I rest my case and encourage all to go to prayer and hear from our Lord on the matter.

My question to you then would be; Did you pray to God concerning my post and my question to you and what did He say concerning them since you are unwilling/unable to answer the questions posed to you?

I hope you don't think my question is flippant. It would just show me the consistency of what you have written and suggested to others to do. Should you receive no answer, from God, then that's okay too. For I have prayed for the right words to bring to you that would help us both grow in Him and His word. Especially as it pertains to what you have written.

I'm sure from your position it would appear that we are fighting against what you have written thereby what God has communicated to you. I and others are only doing what God's word has called us to do concerning these things.

20 do not despise prophetic utterances. 21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:20-22

What you are stating by not answering is either that you don't know, which is okay or that in asking God, you have received no answer, which I have previously mentioned, or that you have not even bothered or considered what we have written to be worthy of responding to since it might place doubt into what you believe to be true.

Anyway. If you don't want to answer, and that is your right not to do so. However, realize that even the Apostles had no problem questioning each other when they felt the need to do so and that we are following God's Words to us to "examine" what you and others have written. That is the reason for the questions from me to you.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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As a side note. You do realize that what you have stated we do "go to prayer and hear from our Lord on the matter." is exactly what the Mormons tell those they are attempting to Evangelize who question them and don't accept right away what they are saying as the complete truth. Curious....
 
It would be wise to go to prayer about this and then wait on the Lord for His response. Wouldn't it be crazy to find out that you were fighting against the very God you love so much when you thought you were helping his cause. No condemnation here I believe our big God has great grace for all.

I rest my case and encourage all to go to prayer and hear from our Lord on the matter.

Lonely Ranger
The problem is if I told you I did pray about it and god told me you were wrong about this would you believe me? Probably not. Also, if I did think god was confirming what you said I wouldn't believe it because it does not line up with scripture. God has already communicated to us in his word.

So what am I to do with other Christians that say god told them something different about these numbers? Who do I believe? Will you answer any of my questions?
 
I thought I have heard it all! September must be around the corner again. LOL Seems about every September someone thinks more highly of themselves then they ought to think.( Rom 12:3) And people start running around thinking they are the next Moses. Well even Moses had to have someone else to help him with revelations! Arron! I sure do not enjoy knocking anyone who is looking unto the Lord for his or her wisdom,but in this case, they are two large problems.1. Let us say this brother with the 11:11 complex is correct!!

Then God himself has lied!!( Matt 24:42-44!!!!) Here Jesus states NO ONE KNOWS! There are no Lone Rangers in Christ Jesus for another.( Mark 6:7) Next we must always test any spirit that proclaims anything to us!( 1 John 4:1) Next, If i say I have perfect truth in any area of the Lord,then I am saying I do not need the body of Christ! Another lie.( 1 Cor 13:11-12!!) also 1 Cor 12:12-31) Point 2 ( 2 Cor 13:1)

Jesus will always confirm every fact! The only thing which is as high as the name of Jesus is his own word.( Psalm 138:2) So as much as i hate to burst a bubble, What was stated is just not possible with man knowing anything about his second coming. We can think any way we wish to on top of our own mountain,but when we finally come down off of it,the body of Christ will be there to help, not laugh! I remember long ago I thought God had appointed me as someone special,we all wish to be special!! I sure did!

Holy Spirit taught me that everyone is special to him!!Because we all follow in loving one another!!( John 13:34-35) So brother do not take this as a strong rebuke! But rather in love as a strong warning! Like I myself had to have when I thought God had made me his Moses to lead others into the promised land. WE never can lead brother,for if we do,then we are putting Jesus behind us,and that is never his place.( Matt 4:19!)
 
Here is a valuable resource for discerning spiritual matters. This is from "Got Questions .org" Used by permission.

Question: "What does it mean to test the spirits?"

Answer:
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).

In this verse believers are commanded to "test the spirits to see whether they are from God." This same command is echoed in other parts of Scripture as well. For example, in 1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 we find Paul exhorting the Christians to not "despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good."

These two passages are just a few of the many that warn Christians to test the message that people or spirits proclaim. This is true in all situations but most importantly when a person or spirit is claiming to speak for God. Christians are to be discerning hearers and readers of all messages. The reason for the admonition to "test the spirits" or "test all things" is that there are "many false prophets" or "wolves in sheep's clothing" that try to lead Christians astray. Sadly, there are many people who claim to speak for God who are presenting a false gospel that is powerless to save. Such errant teaching leaves people with a false hope of salvation and, in a way, inoculates them from the true message. People who are deceived into thinking everything is fine will be more resistant to the truth.

Second Corinthians 11:13-15 warns us that "such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds." So the reason for testing the spirits, for testing all religious teaching, is to see if it is truly from God or if it is a lie from Satan and his servants.

The test is to compare what is being taught with the clear teaching of the Bible. The Bible alone is the Word of God; it alone is inspired and inerrant. Therefore, the way to test the spirits is to see if what is being taught is in line with the clear teaching of Scripture. In Acts 17:10-11 the Berean Jews were commended because, after they heard the teachings of Paul and Silas, they "examined the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so." The Bereans were called "noble" for doing so.

Testing the spirits means that one must know how to "examine the Scriptures." Rather than accept every teaching, discerning Christians diligently study the Scriptures. Then they know what the Bible says and therefore can "test all things and hold fast to what is true." In order to do this, a Christian must "be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15). The Word of God is to be "a lamp" and "a light" to our path (Psalm 119:105). We must let its light shine on the teachings and doctrines of the day; the Bible alone is the standard by which all truth must be judged.

Recommended Resource: How to Study the Bible, Revised Edition by John MacArthur
 
My question to you then would be; Did you pray to God concerning my post and my question to you and what did He say concerning them since you are unwilling/unable to answer the questions posed to you?

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20 do not despise prophetic utterances. 21 But examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good; 22 abstain from every form of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:20-22

Very good my brother! It is indeed a good thing to check it all out for ourselves and act as the Spirit leads us. The problem as we all know is that people do not always correctly discern what is from the Holy Spirit and what is from elsewhere. Oh, we may really be right, but how can that be conveyed to someone who disagrees?

What you are stating by not answering is either that you don't know, which is okay or that in asking God, you have received no answer, which I have previously mentioned, or that you have not even bothered or considered what we have written to be worthy of responding to since it might place doubt into what you believe to be true.

Anyway. If you don't want to answer, and that is your right not to do so. However, realize that even the Apostles had no problem questioning each other when they felt the need to do so and that we are following God's Words to us to "examine" what you and others have written. That is the reason for the questions from me to you.

No, none of us need to answer anyone else's questions, but sometimes God really requires it of us and at other times He wants us to keep our mouths closed. Doing this right can be quite difficult unless somewhere along the line we have learned to recognize the Shepherd's voice as opposed to those many other voices.

"But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep
To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers." John 10:2-5

His sheep do know His voice, so perhaps not all who say they are sheep really are. Does this mean they are openly deceptive or perhaps that they are simply ignorant or deaf without realizing it.

Some people have really heard from God but by failing to stay in touch have lost their connection [if they ever had one]. This is what it appears happened to King Saul of Israel, God's anointed king, who lost his connection with God and in the end tried to get information through a forbidden "familiar spirit". [I wonder if sometimes when we seek our answers through science or logic if one of these sources could be such a "familiar spirit"?]

{quote]As a side note. You do realize that what you have stated we do "go to prayer and hear from our Lord on the matter." is exactly what the Mormons tell those they are attempting to Evangelize who question them and don't accept right away what they are saying as the complete truth. Curious....[/QUOTE]

The Mormons are far from being alone giving people this admonition. Such an admonition is hardly in itself evil, but quite frequently people don't recognize the Shepherd's voice and wanting to have heard from God have really heard from someplace else.
 
I can't comment on every false accusation but here are four.

11:11 is numerology

The bible is full of numbers in fact every chapter and verse is numbered. The bible says and I quote " Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666." Here is some more wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the numbers 11:11 for it is a bible scripture. Yes the Lord is into numbers big time.

THE NUMBERS 11:11 DO NOT ADD UP TO THE WORD OF GOD

How many ways can God speak to us? If 11:11 is of the Devil as many suppose why would he be even be remotely interested in announcing the Second Coming of Christ. If you really think about it the 11:11 message is pure genius. The Lord causes millions to look at the clock on the microwave at the precise time it reads 11:11 and then hits them with His presence. This causes these people to want to know what it means. God has captured the interest and attention of these people in a way no human being could never do. If you read all three parts of the 11:11 message I think you can clearly see that it has everything to do with the bible in fact almost every word is scripture.

11:11 IS A NEW AGE THING

Just because the New Age guys are looking for what 11:11 means doesn't mean that the numbers 11:11 originate with them. Millions of Catholics are also searching for the meaning of 11:11 so why don't we just call 11:11 a Catholic thing?

So too are many Hindu’s, Buddhist, atheist, ... 11:11 is a world wide announcement that is taking place right now in every nation on earth. It is crossing every political barrier as well as all borders, language and religious barriers.

LAST OBJECTION
{quote]As a side note. You do realize that what you have stated we do "go to prayer and hear from our Lord on the matter." is exactly what the Mormons tell those they are attempting to Evangelize who question them and don't accept right away what they are saying as the complete truth. Curious....[/QUOTE]

I have provided more then enough information for anybody with eyes to see to understand that 11:11 is the announcement of the Second Coming of Christ. If you still don't get it or believe it then go directly to God because that is what you should do. I am just trying to do everything I can to help you in your search for the truth. Wow if the Mormons are asking possible recruits to pray and hear from the Lord on the matter then perhaps there will be less Mormon's this could be a good thing. Ha ha.

I am posting a new message the Lord gave me. It's titled "Why did the Jews miss their Messiah" It's a must read to understand why we have so many different denomination and why some are able to recognize the truth while other cannot even when it's explained to them.

Ranger(:
 
Hey Ranger we love you! Please take note of just one thing if you would please. Jesus never spoke outside his own word.Matt 4:3 was answered from in Matt 4:4 by Jesus speaking from Deut 8:3 The enemy in verse 6 robbed ,as he is a thief( John 10:10) part of a scripture he himself quoted back to Jesus from( Psalm 91:11-12) The devil left out and he shall guard you in all your ways. LOL Jesus again spoke back from his own word! ( Deut 6:16)Finally in the last statement Jesus makes to the devil here again from his own word,not from any outside source.verse 10 is recorded in Deut 6:13 and Deut 10:20 My point! You have not sited any scripture to back what you believe you have heard up.Hence my red flag. That is testing the Spirit,if I believe I have heard from the Lord in any way,shape or form,Jesus would always back his own name with his own word.( Psalm 138:2)
 
I can't comment on every false accusation but here are four.

11:11 is numerology

The bible is full of numbers in fact every chapter and verse is numbered. The bible says and I quote " Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666." Here is some more wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the numbers 11:11 for it is a bible scripture. Yes the Lord is into numbers big time.

THE NUMBERS 11:11 DO NOT ADD UP TO THE WORD OF GOD

How many ways can God speak to us? If 11:11 is of the Devil as many suppose why would he be even be remotely interested in announcing the Second Coming of Christ. If you really think about it the 11:11 message is pure genius. The Lord causes millions to look at the clock on the microwave at the precise time it reads 11:11 and then hits them with His presence. This causes these people to want to know what it means. God has captured the interest and attention of these people in a way no human being could never do. If you read all three parts of the 11:11 message I think you can clearly see that it has everything to do with the bible in fact almost every word is scripture.

11:11 IS A NEW AGE THING

Just because the New Age guys are looking for what 11:11 means doesn't mean that the numbers 11:11 originate with them. Millions of Catholics are also searching for the meaning of 11:11 so why don't we just call 11:11 a Catholic thing?

So too are many Hindu’s, Buddhist, atheist, ... 11:11 is a world wide announcement that is taking place right now in every nation on earth. It is crossing every political barrier as well as all borders, language and religious barriers.

LAST OBJECTION
{quote]As a side note. You do realize that what you have stated we do "go to prayer and hear from our Lord on the matter." is exactly what the Mormons tell those they are attempting to Evangelize who question them and don't accept right away what they are saying as the complete truth. Curious....

I have provided more then enough information for anybody with eyes to see to understand that 11:11 is the announcement of the Second Coming of Christ. If you still don't get it or believe it then go directly to God because that is what you should do. I am just trying to do everything I can to help you in your search for the truth. Wow if the Mormons are asking possible recruits to pray and hear from the Lord on the matter then perhaps there will be less Mormon's this could be a good thing. Ha ha.

I am posting a new message the Lord gave me. It's titled "Why did the Jews miss their Messiah" It's a must read to understand why we have so many different denomination and why some are able to recognize the truth while other cannot even when it's explained to them.

Ranger:)[/QUOTE]

I write this with a bit of sadness. Why? Because it might cause you pain.

You have placed attributes on numbers that are not God meant. Do you realize that the use of numbers Chapter/Verse did not come about until sometime between the 12th - 15th Century and were not part of the original manuscripts by which we came by the Word of God? Some attribute it as follows, while others to a system by Stephen Langton (12th): 1551 (New Testament) and 1448 (Hebrew Bible)

The relevance of numbers as you are using them is contrived by man or worse by the Adversary. If as you say that 11:11 is important. How about the rest of the scripture verses that contain 11:11? I'll just use the Gospels.

Matthew 11:11 "Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Mark 11:11 Jesus entered Jerusalem and came into the temple; and after looking around at everything, He left for Bethany with the twelve, since it was already late.

Luke 11:11 "Now suppose one of you fathers is asked by his son for a fish; he will not give him a snake instead of a fish, will he?

John 11:11 This He said, and after that He said to them, "Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep."

They would not be important to you because they do not go with the narrative that you have been communicating.

It's not the numbers brother! It's the content and how one Spiritually comes to understand and apply it to growing in Christ Jesus and thereby to God by the Holy Spirit is where the importance must be found!!!

Sadness because it seems you haven't read/understood what I wrote to you and leads me to believe you will only see what you want to believe and take everything as an attack to what you have written. Oh, I won't deny that you have been attacked. How could you not be when questions are put forth to you and instead of answering them with scripture you go back to what I can only say is "by rote responses".

There have Brothers & Sisters in Christ Jesus who have used scripture to show you why you are being questioned, and you see this as a rebuke for them doing so if you mention it at all. If this site was such a place that was unwilling to hear what you had to say, you would quickly have been banned and your postings deleted. Has this been the case here brother? You are not the first to open this subject (11:11) up here. There have been others. Just do a search on Talk Jesus and you will see that this is so. (I believe you have)

Even as you become more entrenched in not taking with seriousness/disregarding what others are attempting to communicate to you. We are still looking to reconcile what you are saying with the rest of the word of God. However, without you answering questions with scriptural exegesis you are preventing your message from being given/having any credence.

You have stated Brother that you have given enough evidence that pronounces that 11:11 as the announcement of the second coming of Christ.

Dear Brother! We all await His return and eagerly pray that we are ready for when He does return!!!! This is scripturally confirmed without the use of "11:11"!!! This is what I have told you in my post before, if not in so many words. Some here might even a bit like the Apostles who had to be told by the Angel to get going to Jerusalem or they would still be waiting in that same spot for their/our Lord to return!!!!

Keep in mind that it's not His return that will draw them to Him. It's the Spirit of the Living God that does this! That is why the great commission was given...to go out to all the world.... Time grows short! The signs are all around us! Scripture gives enough of them without placing importance on "numbers"!

Some might argue the substance of what you have written, but it is only the overly placed importance and use of what I tire of mentioning "11:11" that confuses/takes away from the message! Maybe not so in non-Christian forums, who might hold some interest in the numbering, but in this Christian Forum one I would have to yes it does take away.

With the Love of Christ Jesus
Nick
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Well I don't want you to believe what you want. I want you to believe Jesus died and was raised for the forgiveness of your sins. Believe the truth of scripture and dump everything else that does not line up with gods word. Jesus will come back when the Father says it is time.

Vincent please understand that Jesus is my Lord and Savior so you just have to see how silly you sound when you say you want me to believe Jesus died and was raised for the forgiveness of your sins. Your preaching to the choir Vincent. Ha ha!

I want to tell you about an amazing experience I had with Jesus one day in hope that you might come to understand that 11:11 is Revelation 11:11 and it is God the Father announcing the Second Coming of His Son Jesus at the Rapture.

JESUS CAME INTO THE ROOM

One day while worshiping and praising the Lord in my bedroom Jesus popped in to say hi. When He came into the room His presence touched me like never before. I cannot believe how dumb my response was to Jesus. I said; “Your here” I know that presence I feel it every time you speak to me. Jesus responded, “Yes Bruce that is why I have come so that you would always know when I am speaking to you” Thank you Lord.

The Lord had been speaking to me for a few years well before I ever heard about people from around the world have the 11:11 experience. So when I had my experience with 11:11 I knew exactly what it all meant. The so called nice feeling that is associated with these numbers is the presence of God. He is hitting them, touching them, saying son pay attention I have something important to say to you. I know this to be true because I was hit with the presence of God when I first saw 11:11 appear on a calculator and I know what it all means because the Lord told me.

Vincent 11:11 is Revelation 11 verse 11 and it lines up with the Bible very well because it is the Bible.

1 Corinthians 15 verses 51-53 it states that we will be resurrected or have our mortal bodies changed into immortal bodies at the last trump.

51-52 Listen to this secret truth: we shall not all die, but when the last trumpet sounds, we shall all be changed in an instant, as quickly as the blinking of an eye. For when the trumpet sounds, the dead will be raised, never to die again, and we shall all be changed. 53 For what is mortal must be changed into what is immortal;

We Christians know that the above scripture concerns the First Resurrection of the dead and the Rapture. Make a note that according to this scripture that the Resurrection and the Rapture will take place when the last trumpet sounds.

Lets read one more scripture that is found in this very same chapter.

1 Corinthians 15 verse 28

28 But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, then he himself, the Son, will place himself under God, who placed all things under him; and God will rule completely over all.

Ever since the fall in the garden the Lord has been taking back His Kingdom in increments or step by step. The cross was a huge step in taking back God's Kingdom. When Jesus gave His life for us on a the cross the Bible records that in doing so He took back the keys to hell and the grave.


If we can find a place in the scriptures where the last trumpet is sounding and the place where 28 But when all things have been placed under Christ's rule, or when Christ takes His Kingdom back completely and begins to rule and reign supreme, we will then find when the Resurrection and the Rapture will take place.

Revelation 11

15 Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices shouting in heaven:

“The world has now become the Kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ,[c]
and he will reign forever and ever.”

16 The twenty-four elders sitting on their thrones before God fell with their faces to the ground and worshiped him. 17 And they said,

“We give thanks to you, Lord God, the Almighty,
the one who is and who always was,
for now you have assumed your great power
and have begun to reign.
18 The nations were filled with wrath,
but now the time of your wrath has come.
It is time to judge the dead
and reward your servants the prophets,
as well as your holy people,
and all who fear your name,
from the least to the greatest.
It is time to destroy
all who have caused destruction on the earth.”

It is here we find the last or 7th Trumpet sounding and look what takes place when the seventh trumpet takes place. In verse 17 it states the Lord begins to reign and the time of God Wrath has come and it is time to reward all who fear the name of Jesus.

Now how can the Lord reward all who fear His name unless all of His people are now with Him in heaven?

The Lord wants us to know what is going to happen, so we can be prepared, and to help us in calling others to repentance. There is no question that God has revealed these things to us and that He intends for us to be encouraged and instructed by them.

The Rapture takes place some where in the middle of the tribulation period, and saints need to be prepared to endure the great trials that are just before us. We need to know when the last trump will sound, when the Rapture will take place so that we can be prepared for it. And that is why the Lord is sending His 11:11 announcement to the nations at this time. When God said He would pour out His Spirit upon all flesh He meant all flesh not just Christians. This announcement of the Second Coming of Christ is crossing all borders and it doesn't matter what religion you believe in God is sending the message to everyone.

I told God “they wont believe me” Jesus replied; “Tell them anyway because my Bride will believe you”

Jesus said I do only what I see the Father doing and that's exactly what I am doing.

I hope this will help you to believe that the Father is right now announcing that His Son Jesus is coming. If you still don't believe after I offered you absolute proof then I will have to leave you with the Lord to open your eyes to this amazing revelation.

Lonely Ranger
One thing I am sure of, you did not hear that the rapture is at the midpoint from God, or from Jesus or from the Holy Spirit. But perhaps you just inferred that from what you did hear. Many times God speaks and people infer things He did not say, due to preconceptions. 11:11 is the resurrection of the two witnesses. I see no reason to amplify that verse above many others.

Scripturally, the rapture is right where Paul put it: as the trigger for the Day of the Lord. In one sudden moment, totally unexpected, the dead in Christ will rise, causing a great earthquake, which Paul called "sudden destruction." The moment the earthquake begins those alive and in Christ are caught up, and those NOT in Christ, those left behind will be caught in the sudden destruction earthquake. Where then in revelation did John first mention the Day of the Lord or the Day of His wrath? It is at the 6th seal. The "trib" or 70th week does not begin until the 7th seal, so the rapture, according to Paul will come pretrib.

John confirms this by showing us the raptured church in heaven in the very next chapter, chapter 7.
 
The "rapture" of the Church will come as a thief in the "night". The only people who will be surprised are those who are not going!!! As the Bible clearly tells us is that "day" shall NOT surprise the Church as a thief in the "night", because we are the children of the "light" and of the "day", and not of the "night" or "darkness"!!! You can only surprise people that are in darkness, but not those who dwell in the light.

1Th 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 While people are saying, "There is peace and security," then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
1Th 5:4 But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.
1Th 5:5 For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness.
 
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