A discussion about believing you are born again

[Born Again 2004]

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If any of you lack wisdom,
let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally,
and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering.
For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea
driven with the wind and tossed.
For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
James 1:5-8
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Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you. Hosea 10:12
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Some people just can't convince themselves that they are saved.

That's right, there are many and they can't but, Like I said previously, that's because they all live under the bondage of untruth that they can't!

 

[cmd73]

That's right, there are many and they can't but, Like I said previously, that's because they all live under the bondage of untruth that they can't!

I don't think that is the reason, they do not know how to make belief real.

 

[Born Again 2004]

I don't think that is the reason, they do not know how to make belief real.

See, that is bondage to an untruth
You don't make belief real ..
God does!

 

[cmd73]

See, that is bondage to an untruth
You don't make belief real ..
God does!

So then by your logic it's God who lets people die in unbelief.

 

[Born Again 2004]

So then by your logic it's God who lets people die in unbelief.

• It is not my logic, it is the Bible.
• Maybe God does, I have no credentials to say what God does or what he does not do.
• If you are saying, that I am saying that God makes you believe...you are wrong.
• What I am saying is that humans don't make belief, God does....whether you accept it is up to you!
• Revelation 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
• The key here is if anyone hears and opens

 

[Bill]

• It is not my logic, it is the Bible.
• Maybe God does, I have no credentials to say what God does or what he does not do.
• If you are saying, that I am saying that God makes you believe...you are wrong.
• What I am saying is that humans don't make belief, God does....whether you accept it is up to you!
• Revelation 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
• The key here is if anyone hears and opens

I disagree with your logic. (Im sorry, but i have you at a disadvantage) God doesnt create people to go to hell. Anyone who loves from thier heart has God in them already.

Have you never read. "For those who know the Law will be judged by the Law. And for those who do not know the Law they will be judged by the Law written in thier hearts."

 

[Born Again 2004]

Not sure where you are going with this!

God doesnt create people to go to hell

Never said otherwise!

Anyone who loves from thier heart has God in them already.

If you believe in Jesus first and accept him as you personal savior, then God is in your heart. No matter how good you are are how much you love, if you are a non-believer, God is not in your heart!

Have you never read. "For those who know the Law will be judged by the Law. And for those who do not know the Law they will be judged by the Law written in thier hearts."

What does this have to do with my logic, or do you even know what my logic is ; I guess you base it on my thread that you quoted, which was addressed to someone else?

 

[Bill]

Not sure where you are going with this!


Never said otherwise!

If you believe in Jesus first and accept him as you personal savior, then God is in your heart. No matter how good you are are how much you love, if you are a non-believer, God is not in your heart!

What does this have to do with my logic, or do you even know what my logic is ; I guess you base it on my thread that you quoted, which was addressed to someone else?

It is printed in a public forum. Open to all.

Gods love is for all mankind, not only those who call themselves Christians. I tell you honestly, there are many who are in heaven that never walked in any christian church, and during thier lifetime never said "Jesus is my Lord".

Not sure where you are going with this!


Never said otherwise!

If you believe in Jesus first and accept him as you personal savior, then God is in your heart. No matter how good you are are how much you love, if you are a non-believer, God is not in your heart!

What does this have to do with my logic, or do you even know what my logic is ; I guess you base it on my thread that you quoted, which was addressed to someone else?

You are right, that i did come in in the middle, i am sorry for that

It is printed in a public forum. Open to all.

Gods love is for all mankind, not only those who call themselves Christians. I tell you honestly, there are many who are in heaven that never walked in any christian church, and during thier lifetime never said "Jesus is my Lord".

During thier lifetime on earth, never said Jesus is Lord

 

[Dave M]

During thier lifetime on earth, never said Jesus is Lord

are you saying they herd the gospel and denied Jesus, or are you saying they never knew of Jesus in the first place because they were never exposed to the gospel, please go into further detail

 

[Bill]

are you saying they herd the gospel and denied Jesus, or are you saying they never knew of Jesus in the first place because they were never exposed to the gospel, please go into further detail

There are many who are in heaven who never experienced hearing the Gospel preached to them. And there are some who even were preached to but didnt grasp it.

You see it was thier love that saved them. Christ was already there.

Some gave thier lives for others, some lived a full life, but always loved. When love from the heart is present, there is Christ to.

And this is why Paul states in scripture. The person whos heart is circumcised may not be praised by man, but he will be praised by God.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

There are many who are in heaven who never experienced hearing the Gospel preached to them. And there are some who even were preached to but didnt grasp it.

You see it was thier love that saved them. Christ was already there.

This belief violates Scriptures - thus has no merit .

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Isaiah 64:
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Luke 6:32
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Blessings to you
W4F

 

[Bill]

This belief violates Scriptures - thus has no merit .

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 3:3
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Isaiah 64:
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Luke 6:32
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

Blessings to you
W4F

It is not a belief, it is a fact. And all within the scripture to.

Why didnt you quote what Paul stated in the scripture.

Here let me say it again.

For those who know the Law, they will be judged by the Law. And for those who do not know the Law, they will be judged by the Law written in thier heart.

It is true that Jesus said no one can go to the Father but by me (in some translations, "through me"). In both cases. There are many Christians that only see this as a physical thing. A matter of physically knowing who Christ is. But God is more than a physical being, and God is more than a spiritual being, (God created both). So to only think of Jesus in the physical is limiting God.

When Jesus says no one can go to the Father but by me, or through me. He is saying Christ must be in your heart. God who is Love. Jesus who is Love. You must have Love in your heart.

Look at Satan. The one thing that he rejected was God, he rejected Love

 

[Born Again 2004]

It is not a belief, it is a fact. And all within the scripture to.

Why didnt you quote what Paul stated in the scripture.

Here let me say it again.

For those who know the Law, they will be judged by the Law. And for those who do not know the Law, they will be judged by the Law written in thier heart.

It is true that Jesus said no one can go to the Father but by me (in some translations, "through me"). In both cases. There are many Christians that only see this as a physical thing. A matter of physically knowing who Christ is. But God is more than a physical being, and God is more than a spiritual being, (God created both). So to only think of Jesus in the physical is limiting God.

When Jesus says no one can go to the Father but by me, or through me. He is saying Christ must be in your heart. God who is Love. Jesus who is Love. You must have Love in your heart.

Look at Satan. The one thing that he rejected was God, he rejected Love

The only way to have God enter your heart is when you are" Born Again". When where you Born Again?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

For those who know the Law, they will be judged by the Law. And for those who do not know the Law, they will be judged

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life."

Any one Judged by the law will fall short without Christ Blood.

It is true that Jesus said no one can go to the Father but by me (in some translations, "through me"). In both cases. There are many Christians that only see this as a physical thing. A matter of physically knowing who Christ is. But God is more than a physical being, and God is more than a spiritual being, (God created both). So to only think of Jesus in the physical is limiting God.

1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

You may quote 50 scriptures to me to prove your point - However - If the use violates even the slightest of another scripture then your use is in error .

Love in your heart is not the same as Christ in your heart.

Blessings to you

 

[Born Again 2004]

There are many Christians that only see this as a physical thing.

• Never met such a "Christian".
• Everyone I know, including the Bible, says it is a spiritual thing, by grace you believe in Jesus and he enters your heart when you are "Born Again"!
• John 4:24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."
• Do you believe in the Bible?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

When Jesus says no one can go to the Father but by me, or through me. He is saying Christ must be in your heart. God who is Love. Jesus who is Love. You must have Love in your heart.

Just having love in your heart is not enough, one must be born again.
Yes God is Love but one must Ask God into their heart through Jesus Christ.

Unsaved love sin and love people and have love in their hearts BUT the unsaved have not Christ in their hearts, thus have no eternal place with the Father.
Blessings to you

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I don't think that is the reason, they do not know how to make belief real.

Belief is already real.
If they struggle with their belief being real then they also have doubt and fear within their belief.

Truth Will set you free.
They struggle with believing the truth.
This means doubt in them is just as real and big.

Solution.....get more truth in you and remove the doubt.
That is our part and not God's Part.
Blessings to you

 

[Bill]

Galatians 3:11
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life."

Any one Judged by the law will fall short without Christ Blood.



1 Peter 1:23
Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

You may quote 50 scriptures to me to prove your point - However - If the use violates even the slightest of another scripture then your use is in error .

Love in your heart is not the same as Christ in your heart.

Blessings to you

There is a little error going on. Some of the scripture you quote speaks of those who have already come to God. I am speaking of those who have not come to God in the conventional way.

Love supersedes all things in God, even faith. This is why Paul states Love is the Greatest Gift of the Holy Spirit.

Faith, hope, and love, and the greatest of these is Love.

Just having love in your heart is not enough, one must be born again.
Yes God is Love but one must Ask God into their heart through Jesus Christ.

Unsaved love sin and love people and have love in their hearts BUT the unsaved have not Christ in their hearts, thus have no eternal place with the Father.
Blessings to you

You do not understand what being born again is. Being born again is having God within you. And what is God --- Love.

The only way to have God enter your heart is when you are" Born Again". When where you Born Again?

Im not answering your question.

Just having love in your heart is not enough, one must be born again.
Yes God is Love but one must Ask God into their heart through Jesus Christ.

Unsaved love sin and love people and have love in their hearts BUT the unsaved have not Christ in their hearts, thus have no eternal place with the Father.
Blessings to you

I think the "saved" love sin as much as the so called unsaved.

Does that seem like a just statement?

Then why would you say the unsaved love sin? There are many children of God out there with love in thier hearts, that know Jesus in thier hearts. But dont understand him in thier knowledge.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Im not answering your question.

Bill, Bill, Bill......this is a Talk Jesus Forum....we talk Jesus not anti-Jesus...being Born Again is a common thread here among believers! Anytime you want to talk about it, be more than welcome. You will get no chastisement here, just loving help!

 

[Bill]

Bill, Bill, Bill......this is a Talk Jesus Forum....we talk Jesus not anti-Jesus...being Born Again is a common thread here among believers! Anytime you want to talk about it, be more than welcome. You will get no chastisement here, just loving help!

In your Gifts of the Holy Spirit, use your discernment. Can you feel the movement of the Holy Spirit within you? If you havent gotten to this level of discernment, then you need to exercise your gifts. Just like reading scripture, and prayer, using the gifts often is important.

Learn to recognize the movement of the Holy Spirit. Recognize the urging of the Holy Spirit.

It is very important for your future to know Gods peace in your heart.