A wind before death?

[Maureen]

Would like to bring this to your attention brothers and sisters in Jesus.

quite a few years ago, my husband sat, with his brothers and sisters at the bedside of a younger sister in her last breaths, suffering from cancer.
What they all experienced to this day has made me wonder, and if it had not have been my husband telling me it I sure would not have believed.

He said as they sat a cold wind blew around their feet, they checked the window it was shut, but still this wind insisted.
He said all they in the room experienced it, then his sister held up her hand as if to reach something and said she was coming.
She then passed away.

Now they told the Minister and asked him for an explanation, to which he asked had anyone gone on before their sister, to which they said yes her son and their Dad, he then preceeded to tell them that one of them has come for her to take her with them.

Now let me point out, none of these people were or are saved yet, so how can that Minister speak as such.
Have you ever heard of anything so strange?
No-one can come from either heaven or hell to collect you surely.

Just interested to hear your comments.
Thank you.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Maureen,

I've heard several stories of dying peole reaching out to some unseen entity when they were at the point of death and saying something like "I'm coming!" I think that this was a signal that that lady was being escorted to Paradise.

As to the wind - was it cold or merely cool? Cold, as in "freezing" is usually a sign of a demonic presence. But, if the wind was merely "cool", it could have been an angel come to get her.

SLE

 

[Bunnytus]

Would like to bring this to your attention brothers and sisters in Jesus.

quite a few years ago, my husband sat, with his brothers and sisters at the bedside of a younger sister in her last breaths, suffering from cancer.
What they all experienced to this day has made me wonder, and if it had not have been my husband telling me it I sure would not have believed.

He said as they sat a cold wind blew around their feet, they checked the window it was shut, but still this wind insisted.
He said all they in the room experienced it, then his sister held up her hand as if to reach something and said she was coming.
She then passed away.

Now they told the Minister and asked him for an explanation, to which he asked had anyone gone on before their sister, to which they said yes her son and their Dad, he then preceeded to tell them that one of them has come for her to take her with them.

Now let me point out, none of these people were or are saved yet, so how can that Minister speak as such.
Have you ever heard of anything so strange?
No-one can come from either heaven or hell to collect you surely.

Just interested to hear your comments.
Thank you.

Maureen,
I don't doubt God, Jesus, or his angels could present themselves when instructed to do so; but I think the words from the ministers mouth were just that: words. He offered a very basic assumption to ease the family, in my opinion. I think people try to be rational as possible during difficult times, especially when one loses a loved one.

Taking this a little different route: I have experienced moments when God revealed things to me either through a dream and while awake. I do not have any "special gifts" that I am aware of but I know God reached out to me. These are longer stories for a different moment. I just wanted you to know God will reveal what you need to know at the right time; I can attest to this without a doubt.

 

[Maureen]

Thank you brother and sister

Ed as far as I remember, without asking hubby again, if I'm correct he said it was very cold.
And we're talking about all unsaved in the room, I really don't understand an angel would be taking the woman, she too was unsaved.

Bunnytus
I couldn't agree with you more, the Minister was just mouthing 'words' trying to comfort, not a hapeth of truth about it.

Isn't this peculiar when it comes to death, some now, not all, so called men of God, are reluctant to speak the truth.
why?
should it not be told, because of the sorrow already taking place, but then is this not misleading, and really telling lies?

My friends son died aged 38 from epilepsy, he was, I'm sorry to say an alcoholic, should not have been mixing drink with his condition, but he did.
Well a lady at the church his Father belongs, now it's Baptist so sound word of God spoken, well, she told his Mother because her son made a confession of faith, got saved, when a child, that he went to heaven because once a Christian always a Christian.
Again I believe them only to be comforting words, not true.
The lad had never repented he was still backsilden, so therefore this did not ring true.

I kept dumb, I neither wanted to hurt my friend by what was in my mind, and used it to try and win her for the Lord instead, by saying she knew what she had to do if she wanted to know if he was in heaven.
Her reply as is with many, was, I'm not a bad person.
I explained somewhat on the commandements, and our sinful nature.

But it just shows what does go on in God's name.
When His word tells us completely differant.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

And we're talking about all unsaved in the room, I really don't understand an angel would be taking the woman, she too was unsaved.

Maureen,

I don't believe anyone has the power or the authority to declare a person officially saved or unsaved when they die because each of us has until the very last conscious thought to repent and receive Christ.

That lady may have been unsaved when she last spoke a word or uttered a sound, but who's to say she didn't repent and receive Christ a few seconds before her death?

SLE

 

[Maureen]

Yes Ed
I know your right in what you say.

I did have an Uncle, and a family Pastor visited with him prior to his death, he asked him if he would like to turn from his sin and accept Christ, as well as he could in the circumstances, he shook his his, no, and said, it has to come from your heart not your head.

I know that's sad, but he really did know it was a heart circumcision.

okay Ed, so what do you make of the wind thing?

 

[Fellowservant]

=Maureen;106281]
No-one can come from either heaven or hell to collect you surely.

Angels can actually come for your spirit, as in the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

Luke 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

I know this is just a parable, but but even some parables have literal truth in them. As far as this unsaved person its like brother Ed has said, she may of repented at her death.

The thief on the cross is a great example for this. Im not sure about the wind thing, but whos to judge. God does things we don't understand sometimes. I hope she was saved, and if she wasn't thats in Gods hands. He judges them who are outside the church his way.

God bless sister

 

[dalan-ranna]

I work in Palliative (Hospice) Care and am often with patients at the time of death, there are so many occasions where people call out or reach out at the time just before they pass, I guess I cant explain it, but I like to think of it as a time where as someone is about to be welcomed into the arms of the Father, the space between the soul and Heaven exsists in a way that we who are not ready do not understand, in every day life I can often think of Heaven as somewhere very far or dsplaced from me physically, but at the time of death I really appreciate it is there right with us, as is God.......

 

[Maureen]

I don't want to sound presumstions, but I am married into this family and believe me spiritual matters are of no concern.

My brother in law actually told me they were born Christians.
Because they live in a Christian country and they were Christened and that giving your life to Christ just takes away all your pleasures, as he said he saw that reflected in my own life because I don't go drinking anymore.
I tried to explain, that is not my desire anymore, Jesus has given me a far better new life, but he can't see it like that.

Thank you for all your comments, it is in the hands of our Lord Jesus.

 

[Bunnytus]

Maureen,
I am sure the Minister was trying to be helpful. In reference to your statement about the men of God finding it difficult to speak the truth - I have to agree with this. I feel it is hard for them to believe those things, like the wind, can happen; even though there are many stories in the bible where God speaks to Abraham or sends his Angels. (Not to diminish the power and effect of it but I would think the wind you refer to is similar the parting of the Red sea, in a way.)

Hopefully this makes sense and does not come acrossed badly.

Thank you brother and sister

Ed as far as I remember, without asking hubby again, if I'm correct he said it was very cold.
And we're talking about all unsaved in the room, I really don't understand an angel would be taking the woman, she too was unsaved.

Bunnytus
I couldn't agree with you more, the Minister was just mouthing 'words' trying to comfort, not a hapeth of truth about it.

Isn't this peculiar when it comes to death, some now, not all, so called men of God, are reluctant to speak the truth.
why?
should it not be told, because of the sorrow already taking place, but then is this not misleading, and really telling lies?

My friends son died aged 38 from epilepsy, he was, I'm sorry to say an alcoholic, should not have been mixing drink with his condition, but he did.
Well a lady at the church his Father belongs, now it's Baptist so sound word of God spoken, well, she told his Mother because her son made a confession of faith, got saved, when a child, that he went to heaven because once a Christian always a Christian.
Again I believe them only to be comforting words, not true.
The lad had never repented he was still backsilden, so therefore this did not ring true.

I kept dumb, I neither wanted to hurt my friend by what was in my mind, and used it to try and win her for the Lord instead, by saying she knew what she had to do if she wanted to know if he was in heaven.
Her reply as is with many, was, I'm not a bad person.
I explained somewhat on the commandements, and our sinful nature.

But it just shows what does go on in God's name.
When His word tells us completely differant.

 

[Maureen]

Suppose we really won't understand these things this side of heaven.

It just seemed very strange to me, in a room filled with so many unbelievers.

The Pastor tonight was just saying we have a right to be concerned about the state of someone's spiritual state and also to ask such a question as to enquire wether they are born again.
It can be a bit of a touchy subject though at times and there are some who would probably say it was none of our business to enquire of them.
That it is between them and God. Although I would say these would be unsaved as when we belong to Jesus we are only too glad to proclaim Him.

But it is only taking an interest in their standing before God and to offer help if needed for direction to the Saviour.

Thank you all for your imput, it has been much appreciated.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

okay Ed, so what do you make of the wind thing?

Maureen:

It's pure speculation, but I think that the cold wind indicates a demonic presence. However, you said that the lady said, "I'm coming!" just before she passed. That makes me think that an angel came to take her, because I can't imagine anyone being anxious to meet up with a devil at the moment of death. So, it may be that a demon was present in the room, ready to take her prisoner when, at the last moment, she received Christ and the demon was sent packing.

Again, this is pure speculation. But, it is interesting to think about.

SLE

 

[Maureen]

She was very heavily sadated with morphine at the time though, sorry I did forget to mention that.

she could have been hallucinating when she said that, do you think?

Thank you for trying to answer, I know it's not an easy subject.
Shrouded with mystery.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

She was very heavily sadated with morphine at the time though, sorry I did forget to mention that.

she could have been hallucinating when she said that, do you think?

Thank you for trying to answer, I know it's not an easy subject.
Shrouded with mystery.

Maureen,

When my son died, he was very weak plus heavily sedated. Yet he summoned up enough energy to make a loud groan when I challenged him to receive Christ.

As for the lady you told us about, I don't know. I simply don't know.

SLE

 

[Laudite]

She was very heavily sadated with morphine at the time though, sorry I did forget to mention that.

she could have been hallucinating when she said that, do you think?

Thank you for trying to answer, I know it's not an easy subject.
Shrouded with mystery.

In general, morphine does not cause hallucinations even in fatal doses- in fact, it does the opposite- the more heavily sedated the more you tend towards a dreamless sleep. Now oxygen deprivation and several other secondary biochemical effects at and around death can promote hallucination. But, I will tell you this- not all miracles are accompanied by a choir of angles descending from split clouds. Just because there's rth poisioning in your neural cells doesn't mean God isn't talking to you.

 

[Property Of God]

I don't want to be judgemental or anything, but what if the pastor only felt that he had to share your pain and send you some consolations and that's why he said that?

I hear so many pastors saying stuff like that, like "Pray for the dead" or "Talk to them and they'll hear you"
They may say things they feel that might be alright to say and that of no harm just to help you,

Don't think alot about what he said, God only knows and God knows better, let go of the whole thing.

 

[Maureen]

your so right nermeen
and it doesnt bother me at all, i praise God

Laudite
praying for the dead is not to be, once we are dead our choice has already been made, it cant be changed so there would be no point to it.

 

[Laudite]

praying for the dead is not to be, once we are dead our choice has already been made, it cant be changed so there would be no point to it.

Wait, what now? praying for the dead? (which, by the way, i'm ok with- we pray for many other things that we have no power to change)

As for the dead, since Scripture gives us no information on the subject, I regard it as no sin to pray with free devotion in this or some similar fashion: 'Dear God, if this soul is in a condition accessible to mercy, be thou gracious to it.'
(Luther's Works, vol. 37, p. 369)

seems right to me

 

[Maureen]

the bible clearly tells us the picture between Lazerus and the rich man. him being in heaven with Abraham and the rich man not.
there was a gulf set which no-one could cross over.

i dont read were it tells us to pray for the dead, if we do we are not adhering to Gods own word.

 

[Property Of God]

I'm glad you are finding consolation dear sister,
When someone righteous dies, his soul goes to Christ, right after dying, he sits next to Jesus Christ.

Luke 23:43
43Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

the bible clearly tells us the picture between Lazerus and the rich man. him being in heaven with Abraham and the rich man not.

That's just very correct.

"In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side."
Luke 16:22-24