Abortion is always wrong

[Doulos]

Also, I had heard someone prophesy that the souls of all those aborted babies are going to be placed into babies again and given to Christian Mothers and when tehy grow up, they will get saved and do mighty things for God.

First, I dont buy Modern Revalation, and second, the Idea of Reincarnation is totally Unbiblical. The Bible speaks of Life as a Race and a War, there are no Do Overs.

Greg

 

[Mmj]

I don't think there is anything good about abortion what-so-ever. It is killing! When the baby is conceived it is life. Life is a gift from GOD. Why would anyone want to destroy something given to them from GOD? The people that have abortion are just like someone that kills a 20 year old. Its murder! A life is a precious thing. We do not have the right to say who lives and dies. It is immoral. I think that if someone participates in making a baby then they should have the baby. Some people question that if you were to be raped would that justify terminating the pregnancy. That is the main question it is a touchy subject. I still feel that no matter what no one has the right to have an abortion. God gave you something from HIM that is made by HIM you should treasure it.

 

[Popples]

it is not our judgement and every abortion has its own story or reason

 

[coolchristiangurl]

controlling how many children one has is just another form of abortion

 

[michael74]

it is not our judgement and every abortion has its own story or reason

#this person is telling the truth the only people you are judging are yourselves, if these people go to death then i want to go with them.

 

[Laudite]

controlling how many children one has is just another form of abortion

really? why?

 

[bornagain11]

For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well (Psalm 139:13-14)

I agree arunangelo abortion is wrong..

 

[learning2love]

" It is also the worst crime a human being can commit, because, in this act a mother, who is supposed to protect and nurture her baby, gets her own innocent baby killed." (Quoted)

In God's eyes (the one who matters), there is no one crime that's worse than another. We are the one's who put degrees on wrong doing.

You don't know what a woman or man goes through when having an abortion. It isn't like a woman wakes up one morning and suddenly thinks "I think I'll go have an abortion today". Its like an animal being caught in a trap and the only way for it to escape is to naw off its own leg.

Try walking in the shoes of someone who has been there. Love them to Jesus, but don't critisize or judge.

People have abortions for many more reasons too than "inconvience". Fear is a BIG one. Or someone is forcing them to do it or threatning them.

Oh yeah, and Christians have abortions too. And just because you have an abortion as a believer doesn't mean you aren't going to heaven. God forgives the act of abortion just as He forgives lying.

Yes, abortion is wrong. But showing true love without condemnation to someone who is hurting and who has been there is one of the best ways to let someone see Jesus. We may be the only Jesus someone ever sees.

 

[eddieb]

during a saline abortion, when the needle penetrates the womb, the baby shakes in fear. i seen this on a video. if it can feel or have feelings its alive and thus murder.

whatever happened to adoption?

 

[Peace Seeker]

In God's eyes (the one who matters), there is no one crime that's worse than another. We are the one's who put degrees on wrong doing.

So are you admitting that abortion is a sin? And am I understanding you correctly that you reasoning that, since all sins are (supposedly) equal, which would mean abortion is no worse than say, a lie, then we shouldn't make a big deal over abortion any more than we would over a lie?

IMO the "no sin is worse than another" argument is often just an effort to not make anyone held accountable for their wrong actions. The only context with which all sins are equal, is that (outside of Christ's saving grace) any and all sins will keep us from receiving salvation/eternal life/heaven. Our Lord said to Pilate (John 19:11): "He that hath delivered me to thee, hath the greater sin," therefore one sin is greater than another.

And I think it would be really stretching it to suggest that God would make no difference between sins like a lie and a murder. For example, lies do not pollute the land but murder does - Numbers 35:33. God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because they were full of liars, or thieves. They were exterminated because their sins - as opposed to all the other sinful cities in the world at that time - stood out in God's eyes. Anyway, that's really all I want to say about the idea that all sins are the same.

Now, back to the subject of abortion, I will be blunt and say I believe it is murder; and no amount of dancing around the subject will change that. If it is not murder, than what is the woman pregnant with, if not a LIFE? How is it not murder to take certain life???

What judge worth his or her salt would accept an excuse from a murderer that the judge just doesn't know what it is like to walk in the defendant's shoes?? Who would accept that response from someone who killed their loved ones?
How can we excuse (for any reason) the taking of a life, just because it is small (ie: inside the womb), or unwanted, or because motherhood is not a priority (or even on the radar) in the woman's life, or because careers, and/or a million other things take precedent over the baby's life??? :shock:

You say we "put degrees on wrong doing"; yes we do, albeit when we downplay and make excuses for sinful behavior and actions. You are saying that sometimes there are (somehow) valid reasons for abortion, abortion being the chosen solution; but in only looking at the outcome and solution, you are not looking at the problem, which for the most part is that abortions result as a consequence of immoral sexual behavior, and a selfish disregard for the sanctity of life (unless it is their own!)......

We are talking about a human life here. One that is conceived, then killed and GONE forever. I do not see any good reason for this. It's amazing how easily a woman's unwanted pregnancy becomes thought of as just a "blob of tissue", as in, "I'm not killing a baby, or a person, it's just a bunch of cells", something not even worth considering. When the pregnancy is wanted, it is a baby, when it is unwanted it is just "goo".

You don't know what a woman or man goes through when having an abortion. It isn't like a woman wakes up one morning and suddenly thinks "I think I'll go have an abortion today". Its like an animal being caught in a trap and the only way for it to escape is to naw off its own leg.

I absolutely disagree with this comparison. Women who have abortions are not some kind of innocent bystander (the only innocent bystander is the baby that didn't get to choose life, "choice" being a one-sided affair), nor is their situation the same as that of the animal caught in a trap. And whatever they are "going through" when women make the choice to abort, unfortunately the consequences of sin are often not pleasant.

They trapped themselves when they chose to have sex when they were not ready (financially, emotionally, or otherwise) to have a baby and take on the role of motherhood. No one forces them to have sex, never mind unprotected, out of wedlock, etc. And IMO to say that abortion is a viable option because someone is feeling "trapped" would be an abhorrent suggestion!

Our society is so bent on caring for and feeling sorry for the wrong-doers, not the victims!

To make my next point, allow me to use your "it isn't like" analogy. To wit : it isn't like a woman wakes up one morning and is totally confused and bewildered, saying, "how did that happen?.....how am I pregnant?.......who did this to me?..... I had no idea that having unprotected sex could result in pregnancy and potentially force me to have to make some serious life-changing decisions". ETC. Like some fluke accident of nature happened; like cells and eggs only unite for people who want babies!

Thirty five to fifty million abortions is no accident, nor the result of women who are largely innocent victims, whom the rest of us just don't seem to understand because we haven't walked in their shoes. Abortion is simply a fail-safe, a form of birth control for many women who wish to continue a sinful lifestyle of sexual promiscuity and/or irresponsibility with what they do with their bodies.

Regarding your leg-hold trap analogy, the difference between the animal gnawing it's leg off and a woman having an abortion, is that the animal was trapped by accident, and it's behavior leading up to that accident had no bearing on it finding itself in that situation. It was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time and didn't know better; it didn't know or have the ability to weigh all the possible outcomes of walking in the path of the unseen trap.

Not to mention, I am certain that 99.99 out of 100% of the time, an animal would avoid altogether a path that it merely suspected had a trap on it, whereas in the case of women that have abortions, they generally are not predisposed to avoiding situations that may result in undesirable (to them) outcomes (pregnancy). Knowing the risk of having unprotected and/or promiscuous sex, they take the risk, and they get burned (in their eyes), with the outcome that someone (the baby) pays the price for their foolish and immoral behavior. Sex without responsibility nearly always ends in disaster!

Try walking in the shoes of someone who has been there. Love them to Jesus, but don't critisize or judge.

Maybe some of the women who are wont to abort their babies should walk in the shoes of women who chose to keep their babies and believe it was the best decision they ever made! (Or walk in the shoes of the innumerable women who, in hindsight deeply regret having had an abortion).

People have abortions for many more reasons too than "inconvience". Fear is a BIG one. Or someone is forcing them to do it or threatning them.

Kill a baby because you're afraid??

Oh yeah, and Christians have abortions too.

So that is our yardstick on morality and right and wrong? If someone else does it, that means we can too? Or because many people are doing it, we're not allowed to say anything about it?

And just because you have an abortion as a believer doesn't mean you aren't going to heaven. God forgives the act of abortion just as He forgives lying.

I agree that God will forgive any sin that is repented of, but I think there is a big difference between willful sin and ignorant or unintentional sin.

Yes, abortion is wrong.

Absolutely it is! And I don't think there is any valid excuse for it.

But showing true love without condemnation to someone who is hurting and who has been there is one of the best ways to let someone see Jesus.

I have no problem helping women financially and otherwise if that will keep them from killing their baby. And I don't think I am judging someone or being unloving by trying to save a life. Nor am I condemning, but I am reproving.

IMO we have to stop making excuses for abortion. How many potential Beethovens, or scientific geniuses, or Charles Spurgeons (fill in the blank!!) might have been among all those millions of aborted babies??

I will conclude by saying some blame goes to our governments, who make it easy to abort but hard to adopt.

 

[differentDem]

as a person who has suffered through an abortion (my ex fiancee demanded she end my first born's life) it is something that all parties comes to regret. Despite her thinking that she needed to make that sacrifice in order to stay in college she eventually came to regret what she had done. Like myself, most usually suffer from Post Abortion Syndrome as it is unnatural to do what we had done...
Just as the body releases chemicals that attract you two sexually it also, releases chemicals that tell you to love & take care of your child. Once, your child is gone Depression sets in and for some... even suicide.

 

[learning2love]

Peace Seeker, obviously, you've never been in the shoes of a woman who feels abortion is her only option. Your post sounds full of judgment and condemnation. And I pity the woman or man that comes to you to confide in you after an abortion. I will pray for you that God will soften your heart and allow you to see these people through His eyes.

 

[differentDem]

Peace Seeker, obviously, you've never been in the shoes of a woman who feels abortion is her only option. Your post sounds full of judgment and condemnation. And I pity the woman or man that comes to you to confide in you after an abortion. I will pray for you that God will soften your heart and allow you to see these people through His eyes.

And your post is full of insult and blatant hate. I pity the person who confides in you for anything!

Peace!

 

[learning2love]

And your post is full of insult and blatant hate. I pity the person who confides in you for anything!

Peace!

I'm sorry you feel that way. Have a great day!

 

[Giggles4God]

Yes, abortion is always wrong.

No, those who have gotten an abortion are not forever lost. Abortion is sin. If one asks God for forgiveness, they will receive it. Repentance is important as well.

The only thing that may not be taken away is the memory...and the consequence of the abortion.

We must pray for those who have done this and ask God how we can help those who have aborted for whatever reason.

I have never been pregnant. I could never see myself abort my child. You may say, but you have never been in the situation...if we wait until a situation occurs it is too late to think rationally. I pray I never have to be in a place where I have to choose between my life or the life of my child.

I was reminded of the story in the Bible about King Solomon and the baby who he was going to kill, but the REAL mother told him to let the other woman have the baby in full. What mother would want their child in pieces?

There are alternatives to abortion. The problem lies in the fact that not much thought goes into the situation and people act in haste. There will be consequences. Please...think of that!

I can't really say much more...much as already been said.

Forgive us oh Lord!

 

[Peace Seeker]

Peace Seeker, obviously, you've never been in the shoes of a woman who feels abortion is her only option. Your post sounds full of judgment and condemnation.

I already addressed your "never been in her shoes" argument, and I don't think it washes. And you ignored my reply to that, and all my other points, instead choosing to make an ad hominem attack on me.
Because I am against abortion you say I am judgmental. Can anyone be against anything without making a judgment about it?

Now, why is it a woman's ONLY option to abort? :shock: She put herself in a bad situation by actions that lead to her becoming pregnant. So one sin compounds into another, and it is all supposed to be justified and excused somehow.

Here's some other options: be responsible, keep the baby, and trust in God (how come HE never enters the picture in the woman's mind???) to see you through it all and to sustain and bless you for your unselfish decision to put someone else ahead of yourself. I have no doubt that God will bless the woman that does this. Or put the baby up for adoption. Or don't have sex out of wedlock. Don't have unprotected pre-marital sex and you will never be in the situation of having to make a life-changing decision in a highly stressful and emotional frame of mind.

By your "only option" reasoning if I go into a bank to rob it and something goes wrong, if I am forced to kill some people there in order to escape, I could say it was my only option, but it doesn't mean my decision is the right one. It is a selfish decision based only on self-preservation; and because someone is in a situation that he or she doesn't like - a situation they put themselves in - it is no excuse for wronging others to save yourself from it!

In this scenario I had to kill some people in the bank - it was my only option - in order to preserve and save myself. And IMO that's what abortion is all about - my life or there's, her life or the baby's.

And I pity the woman or man that comes to you to confide in you after an abortion. I will pray for you that God will soften your heart and allow you to see these people through His eyes.

Sounds like you are judging me here, condescending towards me, and attacking my character to boot! You don't know the condition of my heart. And if you are praying that God soften my heart to willful sin please don't.

Oh, by the way, I never said I have no pity for women who have had an abortion. You have mistaken my hard stance on abortion as being synonymous with lack of love and compassion. If they are repentant and remorseful, they should be comforted and assisted to help them recover from the emotional, physical and spiritual trauma resulting from abortion. But if they have no remorse about their abortion but are merely seeking for someone to agree with them and tell them "it's okay", that is a different story.

 

[dannibear]

I think there is a point here when things start to
get tense and we need to take a pause and reflect
on why we are posting. This, among some other
issues, are some of the few that can cause quick
arguments among those who love each other,
even the brothers and sisters of Christ.
I ask that we all put away the feelings of anger
and pray before posting, remembering what Proverbs 15:1
says. A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh
word stirs up anger.
Let's not forget also that Father left us with some
sunny words of joy:
Romans 14:17-19 For the kingdom of God is
not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness
and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus
serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by
men. So then let us pursue what makes for peace
and for mutual upbuilding.