Abortion

[Dreamer]

Son Worshiper, I think you should go all over the country telling people your true story about your sister. Bringing pictures of your precious nephew, also.

Wow, I am at a loss for words. I'm so grateful for what He's done in your lives and bringing this precious little boy to your sister. And for God's forgiveness and mercy that was sown. He has brought many rewards to your family for your faithfulness.

Praise God.

Love in Christ,
Dreamer

 

[ax d-slayer]

Nice thread brother Chad God Bless You cause i wanted to post a similar thread someday...i know abortion is murder

 

[Son Worshiper]

Son Worshiper, I think you should go all over the country telling people your true story about your sister. Bringing pictures of your precious nephew, also.

Wow, I am at a loss for words. I'm so grateful for what He's done in your lives and bringing this precious little boy to your sister. And for God's forgiveness and mercy that was sown. He has brought many rewards to your family for your faithfulness.

Praise God.

Love in Christ,
Dreamer

I'd like to post pics, but I don't know how and I don't have a digital camera.
I'm still learning how to do stuff on my computer. but I saw a disposable digital camera at a store a few months ago. I may buy one and talk my other nephew (my brother's boy, David) into posting some pics for me, or at least talk me through it. He's a computer genius. Lol.

Yeah, my older nephew (his name is Joshua) is a blessing. He can be really funny because he's so open and honest with people. I remember about a year ago the family was having dinner. My older brother had prepared it. Stuffed porkchops I think. And Joshua was eating and looking very thoughtful, so I asked him what he was thinking about. And he said, "You know, I just realized uncle Bud (what he calls my brother) cooks a whole lot better than you do."
And everyone started laughing. He wasn't trying to be mean or hurtful, he just says what's on his mind.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

What if one of your friends or family members were raped? How can you justify that pregnancy? I am asking honestly these are not loaded questions on my end.

A woman who winds up pregnant as the result of rape is most certainly a victim and she has my sympathy. But, what about that child's right to life?
Even as a victim of rape, this woman is still the mother of a child and she has no moral right to terminate that baby's life.

SLE

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Sonworshiper, I think you ought to post your testimonies in the "Testimonies" forum. (this one included) in the "Testimonies" forum.
You have a great God story to tell.

SLE

 

[Claudina]

Thank you so much for your story Chad it was a balm for my soul!
I am against Abortion of all forms.

 

[Faithin1]

I certainly believe that abortion is murder. Some try to justify abortion by claiming that it really isn't a baby prior to a particular stage of fetal development. I can tell you, nothing could be further from the truth.

I used an early home pregnancy test, which was confirmed by my doctor. Due to prior pregnancy complications, my doctor scheduled a sonogram when I was only 6 weeks pregnant. Although there was no recognizable form, a pulsating heart was clearly visible. I don't believe a 'glob of tissue' has a visible heartbeat. I still have that sonogram picture, and when I showed it to my son, I explained that the 'dot' on the picture is him.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

What a powerful way to show the awesomeness of God's creative genius to your son!

SLE

 

[FriendLiiFiRe]

A woman who winds up pregnant as the result of rape is most certainly a victim and she has my sympathy. But, what about that child's right to life?
Even as a victim of rape, this woman is still the mother of a child and she has no moral right to terminate that baby's life.

SLE

Thank you. God bless you. It makes me sad how people are against it except in rape cases. If you have that take on it, you'd be better of being pro-choice. If I were raped, I would definetly love that child but I would give it up for adoption. Even if someone didn't get raped and was with child she could give it up for adoption. I recently watched this movie where it started out really powerful and then a character confessed she had an abortion which made me flip the channel. Ignorance is bliss.

Kez

 

[Dreamer]

Rape is wrong and very sinful, but when a victim becomes pregnant and goes and gets an abortion, she has then sinned.

If she does not get an abortion, she remains a victim, but God can heal her though her forgiveness of the rapist. AND, God can use the child's life, either by adoption or in the mother's life as the child's guardian.

I was raped when I was 20 years old. I was prepared to keep the baby if I were pregnant. I did not report the rape, unfortunately, and just quietly waited a few weeks to see if I was pregnant. (I know, I was dumb.)

I wasn't pregnant, thank God. Some other problems came about, but pregnancy wasn't one of them.

When women look me in the eye and say, "Abortion is right in some cases," I can look them straight in the eye and tell them, "No, it is not right and I wouldn't do it."

 

[Chad]

Sister Dreamer I did not know you were raped when you were younger. I'm glad GOD healed you of this terrible situation and in the end as you said, you can use this experience to minsiter to other women and confirm the real truth of abortion.

Abortion = Murder, no excuses, no exceptions, no swaying around with opinions.

Let's look at it from a pragmatic view for a moment. Let us just imagine GOD gave us a glimpse of "what if", or "what would it be like if..." vision of the child fully grown as a young adult. This vision is given to the mother herself, be it a victim of rape or sexual sin. This mother sees the baby she originally wanted aborted, fully grown and living out GOD's purpose, plan for him or her. Would this mother steal feel inclined to "abort" this life?

 

[Apple]

I too had always believed that abortion was wrong - right from being a teenager. Abortion was murder. It was as simple as that.

Well, it was as simple as that until the night that I was raped.

Maybe I am a hypocrite because my opinion changed that night. Unlike Dreamer who wrote that she was prepared to keep the baby if she was pregnant, I wasn't.

The thought of being impregnated by this vile man was too much for me and the thought of this baby being as a result of his *****, having his characterisitics etc and growing inside of my body was also too much to bear to think about.

I was unable to see the foetus as 'life' (although I knew that it was). All I could see it as was an evil monster, there as a result of an evil man. The decision was made - if I was pregnant, I HAD to get rid of it and the sooner the better.

As it turned out, I wasn't pregnant and I never had to carry out the decision that I had made, but my heart still goes out to all of those rape victims who have to make that dreadful decision.

Fundamentally, I still believe that abortion is totally wrong and many of you have provided Bible verses to support this, so I am NOT writing this in support of abortion.

What offends me are the people who see abortion as another form of contraception. IT IS NOT!

What, however, I would say is don't be so harsh on the rape victims who decide to have an abortion. It is very easy to point the finger and criticise them, but until you have been raped yourself, how can you even begin to imagine the horror of what rape does to a woman?

Quite simply, you can't!

A woman is traumatised as a result of being raped and then to find out that she is pregnant is often too much for her to cope with.

I applaud any woman who can see beyond the rape and the rapist and see this thing growing inside of her as a beautiful and lovely form of life.

I know that I wouldn't have been able to do that and unless you have been in that situation yourself, PLEASE DON'T BE SO QUICK TO JUDGE THE RAPE VICTIMS WHO ALSO WERE UNABLE TO SEE THE FOETUS AS BEAUTIFUL AND LOVELY, BUT COULD ONLY SEE IT AS A HORRIBLE RESULT OF A VILE ACT!

My thoughts, as ever, are with the victims of rape and the effects that it has on their life. Yes, good can come out of it as the account earlier on in this thread shows, but this is not the norm.

TO EVERYBODY AFFECTED DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY BY RAPE!

 

[Dreamer]

Let's take another direction. What about abortion in the case of the mother just not wanting the child, or being old, or the mother's health being threatened by the presence of the pregnancy?

Some people say that if the pregnancy puts the mother at risk to die because of health problems, that she should have the choice to have an abortion.

There are so many ways to justify abortion. But it is still wrong.

I have a gorgeous, outgoing little boy who will be 2 years old in a month. I am 46 years old. Old enough to be a grandma and then some.

When I first found out I was pregnant, I was happy...for a week or two. Then reality hit me. I was 44 years old and trying to finish college to get my teaching degree. I had waited my whole life to get the opportunity to finish school. Now I was pregnant like some young thing. I felt ridiculous and angry. I couldn't even picture myself going to the store and buying diaper wipes. I could just hear the checker saying, "Oh, are those for your grandbaby?"

My husband had already been deployed to Iraq when I found out I was pregnant. He was in Ft. Sill, Oklahoma at a military base, waiting to be flown to the middle east with his troop. And he was not speaking to me; not calling me. We had argued a lot before he left. We had been married for 7 months, and for the most part, it was an extremely rocky marriage.

Since I could not call him at a military base, I called one of the other military wives. Her husband called her every day, she always told me with a silky sweet voice. 'How nice," I thought a bit sardonically and jealously. So I asked her to ask her husband to TELL Jim to call me.

He called in about 48 hours. "Are you sitting down?" I asked him. (Jim is 10 years older than me and has 2 grown children and 3 grandchildren.)

He seemed happy. For awhile, I seemed happy too.

Then I started to gain weight. I had worked hard to get down to a size 4 and I had been determined to stay there for life. Not so now. The doctor and nurses said I needed to gain weight. And I was truly hungry too. My hunger overcame my pride and I ate.

I don't know if anybody out there knows anyone who has been pregnant in their forties, but let me tell you something: it's no walk in the park. You think your tired when you're in your 20's and 30's and pregnant? It's nothing compared to an older pregnancy. You are BONE TIRED.

I walked up and down steps and across campus with my big old body and wondered if I would ever finish school or ever amount to anything. My daughter was a teenager and was happier about the pregnancy than I was. She was very supportive; helped me with the dishes and the cleaning at home so that I could study and rest. She was truly a blessing. I had no other family but my daughter, as Jim's family seemed to "disappear" when they found out their daddy was having a baby. I guess they thought I was trying to take over Jim's life by bringing on a baby. It wasn't my fault. I sure hadn't planned it. Nor did I even want the baby much.

Sometimes in the back of my mind, I would think of abortion, but I would push the thought away, because I am against abortion and always have been.

So I began shopping for baby things and switching Jim's office into a nursery. My heart wasn't really in it and my daughter could tell. Others at church could tell I wasn't happy about being pregnant too. They felt nervous and just asked how Jim was.

So I would talk about how he was doing over in Iraq.

And I would think about how old and ridiculous I would be carrying around a baby that I didn't even want, and stuck in a marriage that I was almost sure that I didn't want to stay in. I felt that God had played a 'bad joke' on me, because I had begged God to bring back my boy to me (my oldest son, who I lost through his father stealing him away.) Instead, God was giving me a baby boy that I didn't even want. No one could replace Bryce, my oldest boy. No one.

Jim wrote these beautiful, romantic letters telling me how much he loved me, blah, blah, blah. Yeah right. He loved me all right, so much that he would yell at me about everything as soon as he got home.

I felt angry at God. Why had He directed me to marry Jim when my own gut had told me it was not right? Why had God allowed me, an old woman who was finally going to achieve some life goals, to become pregnant at age 44?!

I felt like my life was over. 18 more years of drudgery. I did not want the responsibility of a child.

I became increasingly depressed as the pregnancy progressed. I finished both semesters of my junior year and threw my textbooks angrily against my bedroom wall.

When it was time for the baby to be born, Jim scheduled his only R & R for the year. It was to be 2 weeks. The baby didn't come when it was supposed to, so they induced labor. It was horrible and I didn't get to have an epidural.
Jim was not sympathetic; he yelled at me before the labor, and after we got home he yelled about anything and everything. He was good about holding the baby and feeding him; but he wasn't happy with me.

I saw a whole lifetime of anger ahead of me. I felt completely trapped.

I took him back to the Nashville airport because he had to go back to Iraq for 6 more months. He kissed me at the airport and told me, "Thank you for the baby boy, I love him."

That helped some.

When Jim got home permanently (Caleb was 6 months old), I had what doctors call post-partum depression. Lol, that's odd to me, as I was depressed during the entire pregnancy, not just after.

It hasn't been pretty, but we have learned to get along and we're still learning.

And people tell me that Caleb (our two year old) is going to be a man of God; in some sort of ministry.

I know in my heart I was to marry Jim. I know it is God's plan that we had Caleb. But it still wasn't easy. However, if I had to do it all over again, I would.

Abortion is murder, pure and simple.

God has plans for every child; whether it be by rape, whether the mother is angry and depressed, whether the mother is 13 years old and afraid, whether the mother is in jail. It doesn't matter. That child belongs to the Lord, not the mother or the earthly father.

Abortion is wrong. Under any circumstances.

 

[Apple]

I applaud any woman who can see beyond the rape and the rapist and see this thing growing inside of her as a beautiful and lovely form of life.

I believe that abortion is fundamentally wrong.

However, I did not tell you the full story in my post earlier today. There I was emphasising the fact that we should not be so harsh on rape victims who decide to terminate their pregnancy.

You might be saying well what about the unborn baby?

Well, let me reply this time, not as the rape victim, but as the baby conceived out of rape.

Yes, believe it or not, I can speak from both sides of this situation. I was conceived out of rape and 20 years later, I was raped.

I believe that life begins at conception. My life certainly did and straight away I knew that I was unwanted and unloved. As the above quote says - I was that thing growing inside of my mother. The problem was that my mother couldn't see me as a beautiful and lovely form of life and yet, she didn't abort me either. Instead I grew inside of her; her hating every moment of the pregnancy, the birth and me.

Every time she saw me, she could see the face of the rapist. Could she overcome that and love me because I was an innocent baby and later, child? - No!

Every day, she was reminded of the rapist and being raped simply by my presence, simply by my being.

I come back to my point that abortion is fundamentally wrong - it is murder.

However, I also believe that those innocent foetuses go straight into the arms of Jesus where they are loved for all of eternity.

Given the choice, despite knowing that it is murder, I would sooner have been aborted than born to a mother who was raped and who hated me from the moment that I was conceived.

 

[ladylovesJesus]

I am so sorry to hear that story about your life apple but thank you for sharing a part of your life with us here. God adopted you into His family. He chose You.

I know there are poems online about abortion and here is one which is different to the ones I have read in the past.

Life Poem
The Abortion
© By Bonita Baker Ray


As the staff arrived at the clinic,
they were taken by surprise.
You might say they were startled.
They could not believe their eyes.

A prospective patient was already
waiting at the door,
But the staff had never seen a patient,
quite like this before.

The secretary's hand shook a little,
as she took down the information,
And she seemed stunned when she asked,
'Why do you want this termination?'

Although it was only just a whisper,
the reply could be distinctly heard.
And the whole staff looked away in shame,
as they listened to each word.

'I am only a little fetus,
but I know that things are really bad,
So, if you don't mind, I would like to
abort my Mom and Dad.

I heard them say, they did not know
what they were thinking of.
And, I know for certain,
I was not conceived in love.

I can barely see my little hands
waving in the air,
But even though I cannot focus yet,
I still know they are there.

I can even feel my heart beating
with a definite rhythm,
But, now I know there is really
nothing I can give them.

It isn't really murder because,
they are not real parents yet,
And once you cut them away,
they will be easy to forget.

Money is tight these days, and
responsibility is such a bother.
And what would happen to my social life,
tied down to a mother and a father?

As for morals, it's the 21st century:
no one cares about our Lord.
So, I will simply close my little eyes,
while you just cut the cord.'

God bless :rainbow: :rose:

 

[Dreamer]

Apple, I am very glad your mother didn't abort you. You are such a diamond, such an awesome blessing. Your witness and your love for God is incredible. The healing you have allowed Him to do is awesome.

I praise God that your mother let you live.

Your life is a testimony. I know your life has been very, very difficult. And yet you have already brought so much glory to your Father.

Many times I have cried, wishing that my mother had given me up for adoption. I was not conceived by a rape. However, I was not planned for or wanted, which was made clear to me many times. My older sisters and brother came along when my mom and dad's marriage was still intact. I came much later, and I was a mistake, they said.

In God's eyes, I'm no mistake.

Neither are you, Apple.

 

[Dreamer]

Pregnancies are a coveted thing with many couples. And yet many more pregnancies are inconvenient, unplanned for, and unwanted.

This is still not an excuse to have an abortion.

The privilege has been given to me to take shelter residents to a ministry house called "Birth Choice" here in our county.

They support the client by praying with her and counseling with her. They encourage her to either keep the baby or put the baby up for adoption. Ultra-sounds are made available. I have seen and heard of many great things done at Birth Choice.

Abortion is still wrong.

Can you imagine Mary getting an abortion? She didn't deserve to be pregnant. She had never even been with a man. Yet Mary bore our Savior.

We, as women, have a great privilege God has given us. Now, granted, I didn't feel very privileged when I was pregnant with Caleb (story above). But I certainly was privileged and blessed by God---as my mother was when she carried me in her womb long ago. She was 34, which was considered very old to have a baby back then.

I have sometimes wished I had never been born. Yet...God has a plan for YOU, me, and every person. Who are we to deny life and say yes or no to life? Too many people are playing god and making choices that shouldn't be theirs to make.

 

[ushalk]

llj that is an awesome poem. many people believe that abortion is a choice and they are right. man has made choices against god and his word since the earth began. but no matteer how you look at it, it is still sin and i hope that these people repent that get these murderous acts done. i relly hope that this nation starts to truly seek god. 86% of americans claim to be christians. yet we allow abortion, adultry, the taking out of jesus name in public. sin is sin in gods eyes and that is the way it is. murder is wrong no matter what the stage of life is.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Apple and Dreamer,

Thank you both for the courageous messages you posted in this threaad on 5/20. They opened my eyes to be sure. Apple, I don't know if you realize it or not, but, with your post you faced your fear of rejection and spoke out on your personal life story. Congratulations on that accomplishment. It is major, in my opinion.

SLE

 

[Apple]

Thank you SLE for the compliment. It wasn't, however, for me such a courageous thing to do.

I had read all of the thread and felt so strongly that it was very unfair that the rape victim was being put into the same category as any other woman who had chosen to have sex and as a result had found out that they were pregnant. For any other woman, they chose to have sex and they knew the possible consequence of that act (even with contraception etc), but for the woman who is raped, she never had that choice.

I still believe that abortion is fundamentally wrong, even for the rape victim. What I was trying to say was don't be so quick to judge the rape victim who can not bear the thought of this thing growing inside of her and chooses to get rid of it.

If you had cancer growing inside of you, you would want to get rid of it as quickly as possile. For some women, the effects of rape are the same as having an unwanted cancer growth.

I wrote the second post because I guessed people would come back to me and say what about the innocent baby?

Well, I was the innocent baby!

Unlike most, if not all of the people who read this thread, I could speak from a personal view point about being conceived out of rape. Nobody else knows what that is like! Remember, I was rejected at the moment of conception - no wonder I now live with a fear of rejection!!!!!!!

I was not courageous in writing the posts. I had to write them because somebody had to defend the rape victims. Unless you have been raped, you can not understand the full extent of how different being raped is to choosing to have sex. The same with finding out that you are pregnant. This is so different for the rape victim as to the women who have chosen to have sex, even if their pregnancies are also unwanted or unplanned etc.

Ideally, no rape victim would choose to have an abortion, but there again, in the ideal world, there would be no rape victims at all. Until we have the ideal world my message to everybody is:

PLEASE DON'T BE SO QUICK TO JUDGE THE RAPE VICTIMS WHO WERE UNABLE TO SEE THE FOETUS AS BEAUTIFUL AND LOVELY, BUT COULD ONLY SEE IT AS A HORRIBLE RESULT OF A VILE ACT!

As always, my love and thoughts are with everybody affected by this horrific crime.

:girl_hug: