Adam and Eve had to be holy/distinct

[this human]

They were because they were formed by God rather than created on the sixth day like the rest of us mere humans and yet they were mere humans like us. They had to be holy/distinct in order for their descendents to bear the Messiah/Christ of humanity holy and pure, born of a virgin.

 

[Bendito]

They were because they were formed by God rather than created on the sixth day like the rest of us mere humans and yet they were mere humans like us. They had to be holy/distinct in order for their descendents to bear the Messiah/Christ of humanity holy and pure, born of a virgin.

They had to be holy and distinct from whom?

 

[this human]

Humans who were created on the sixth day of creation. Does the first sentence of my post not state this? Must you steal or murder this part of my life in making me repeat myself here? @Bendito

 

[Bendito]

Humans who were created on the sixth day of creation. Does the first sentence of my post not state this? Must you steal or murder this part of my life in making me repeat myself here? @Bendito

My question was valid. You said they had to be distinct, which means to show a contrast...I merely asked who they had to be distinct from. Valid question.

 

[this human]

I only reply to your ignorance once in order for others who may read this, unfamiliar with your history and ploy, might know me as patient and prepared to answer for the hope that lies within me. Your self-worship as opposed to desire for understanding provides only for your departure to outer darkness.

 

[Lacawar]

All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

Yes they were for they were IMMORTAL before they fell!

1611 KJV
Wisdom of Solomon 2:23 [23]For God created man to bee immortall, and made him to be an image of his owne eternitie.

Blessings!

 

[Sue D.]

@Lacawar -- hmmm -- I don't see the "Wisdom of Solomon" listed in my Bible -- Song of Songs , yes, but not that many verses in that chapter.

And, yes, God Did create Adam and Eve to be living forever / immortal. And to produce children and their children to produce , etc. etc.

But -- as Genesis tells us -- they were tempted by the serpent and didn't follow through with what God told them to Not do. They Then lost their innocence. And passed That along to the rest of the human race.

So -- they were very capable of sinning which they Did. The world-wide flood destroyed everyone except Noah and his family. The human race continued to develop through Noah and his family -- not through Adam and Eve. And the line of Christ came through David. The genealogies listed in Matthew and Luke in chapter 3.

So - no - there was really nothing holy about Adam and Eve. Distinct only because they were the 1st people created. In Romans -- we are told that 'for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God'. And Adam and Eve sinned because they disobeyed the one rule that God gave them.

 

[Sue D.]

They had to be holy and distinct from whom?

That's a valid question -- distinct from Whom. Adam and Eve were just like the rest of us. The first human being begat the rest of the human beings. They were not holy. Any more than the rest of us humans.

God started the human race from scratch -- not an extension of the animal world -- just the beginning of the human race. Sin started with them.

Actually -- Jesus Christ came from the Jewish line which didn't exist until Abrahams' great grandson came along - Jacob. Jesus Christ was distinctively Jewish And the Son of God.

 

[Lacawar]

All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

They lost their immortality by sin and became mortal beings.

Will immortality be given back to mortal being again?

Blessings

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- since they were both capable Of sinning and they Did sin -- apparently they were Never Really immortal. Their heart was Always capable Of such or they wouldn't Have.

For born-again believers -- If they are alive at the time of the rapture -- they won't experience physical death. Otherwise -- like everyone Else -- they Will die.

Immortality will be the form of a glorified body upon the physical death of a born-again believer. All other 'believers' / well / non-believers won't be. They will simply 'be'.

Actually -- we don't know how long Adam and Eve were in the garden Before they succumbed to the serpents' temptation. They Could have been there a Long time having children. Scripture Does tell about the land of Nod located to the east of Eden. That's where one of their kids went and found a wife. We Are told about the births of three of their kids. Able, Cain and Seth.

But since Adam and Eve Did sin . it means that they Must have been created with the propensity For sin, just like We are.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

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[Lacawar]

All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

Propensity???
Their immortality had no nature to sin like we have being born into sin.

They were never born into sin!
But we are:
1 Corinthians 15:53-54 [53]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortall must put on immortalitie. [54]So when this corruptible shall haue put on incorruption, & this mortall shall haue put on immortality, then shall be brought to passe the saying that is written, Death is swallowed vp in victorie.
Wisdom of Solomon 2:23 [23]For God created man to bee immortall, and made him to be an image of his owne eternitie.

Their freewill was part of their immortality as freewill is part of our mortallity that allowed them and us the choice to sin and the devil knows that!
Psalms 119:108 [108]Accept, I beseech thee, the freewil offrings of my mouth, O Lord: and teach me thy iudgements.

When did sin enter into the world?
After they made that freewill choice!
And disobeyed AHAYAH GOD!
Romans 5:12 [12]Wherefore, as by one man sinne entred into the world, and death by sin: and so death passed vpon all men, for that all haue sinned.

Blessings!

 

[Dovegiven]

What might be taken from this passage?
Genesis 3:22-24 (KJV)
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

It appears to me Adam and Eve were not immortal, but were denied that state of being by separation from the Tree of Life.

Adam had his initial state of being as a lump of clay in God's hands on the sixth day of creation. That's why some preaching a funeral point out we are from dust, and to dust we return, referring to Gen 3:19, used of the whole of the human lineage, except for those who remain alive when the Lord returns.

As for their holiness status, that appears to have been conditional upon keeping that one commandment not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. One commandment! They broke it and paid a huge price, dragging all their offspring into troubles.

 

[Sue D.]

Lacawar -- propensity means that we All have the ability / natural instinct to sin. It means that adults can 'see' the sinful nature in their tiny kids. A toddler or younger needs to be taught to play nicely,. It takes continual observation by the adult to teach 'little Johnny' or 'Suzzie' to Not bite or hit or 'whatever'. It's a lot of loving work by parents.

As kids get older -- teens -- they needs guidance to curb their natural propensity --to Not give in to their hormonal urges.

If Adam and Eve Hadn't been born into sin -- they would not have succumbed to the temptation for eating that fruit.

God's knowledge new that they would need a Savior in their future. He provided One.

 

[Lacawar]

All praises to FATHER AHAYAH YASHAYAH WA RAACH!

I understand very well what propensity means, but I question you applying that to their immortality.

Immortality became mortallity and will become immortal again.
KJV 1611
Wisdom of Solomon 2:23 [23]For God created man to bee immortall, and made him to be an image of his owne eternitie.

Blessings!

 

[Sue D.]

Lacawar -- don't mean to sound disrespectful -- but not very many people read that particular translation of the Bible nor do 'they' accept the non-Canonical books as being inspired.

The Bible that has been selling the Most is the up-graded version of the KJV. The Kings' English was simply the English being used / spoken in that time in history.

You're free to use any version you want to -- but that doesn't especially mean it's accepted as being inspired.

Romans 3:23 says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. = NKJV

 

[this human]

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Would you give me a definition of Christian? The original use of the word, in Paul the Apostels day, derogatorily meant little christs.

 

[Sue D.]

@this human

Though the term Christian Was indeed meant in a derogatory way originally -- the term did 'catch on' and means Christ-like / little Christs because that Is how 'we' are supposed to be / act.

People Should be able to 'see' Christ in us. "What Would Jesus Do" was a popular 'phrase' for a while with teens. It should be for everyone.

 

[Bendito]

@this human

Though the term Christian Was indeed meant in a derogatory way originally -- the term did 'catch on' and means Christ-like / little Christs because that Is how 'we' are supposed to be / act.

People Should be able to 'see' Christ in us. "What Would Jesus Do" was a popular 'phrase' for a while with teens. It should be for everyone.

The word 'Christ' means the anointed One, and His anointing...We are called Christians because we are anointed with the same anointing that Jesus is anointed with....Put Sue's post along with mine and see what you get.

 

[Sue D.]

Bendito -- I'm not sure I agree with all that You propose.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 'We' on the other hand are human beings.

Jesus Christ was the Promised Messiah / His 'job' while here on earth. He came to die on the cross for our sins / resurrected and then ascended back up to God the Father.

Christians / born-again believers / are 'set aside'.

The name 'Christ' means anointed one.

Maybe some of your definitions / theology is a bit off, maybe.

A Christian is a Christ-follower.

A Christian can Also mean a person who goes to church twice a year / Christmas and Easter. And as specific as a person who has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. And is walking / leading a Christ-like life as much as is possible to in this world. No one being perfect until they are with Jesus Christ in eternity.