Adam and Eve had to be holy/distinct

[Bendito]

Bendito -- I'm not sure I agree with all that You propose.

Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 'We' on the other hand are human beings.

Jesus Christ was the Promised Messiah / His 'job' while here on earth. He came to die on the cross for our sins / resurrected and then ascended back up to God the Father.

Christians / born-again believers / are 'set aside'.

The name 'Christ' means anointed one.

Maybe some of your definitions / theology is a bit off, maybe.

A Christian is a Christ-follower.

A Christian can Also mean a person who goes to church twice a year / Christmas and Easter. And as specific as a person who has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Savior. And is walking / leading a Christ-like life as much as is possible to in this world. No one being perfect until they are with Jesus Christ in eternity.

Jesus anointed us to go out and do what He did. Anointing is the anaugural ceremony for priests...We are kings and priests...we are sent out to the world


1 John 2:27-28
27 As for you, the Messianic anointing you received from the Father remains in you, so that you have no need for anyone to teach you. On the contrary, as his Messianic anointing continues to teach you about all things, and is true, not a counterfeit, so, just as he taught you, remain united with him.

28 And now, children, remain united with him; so that when he appears, we may have confidence and not shrink back from him in shame at his coming.


Matthew 28:18-20
18 Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age.”




John 17:20-26

20 “I pray not only for these, but also for those who will trust in me because of their word, 21 that they may all be one. Just as you, Father, are united with me and I with you, I pray that they may be united with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 The glory which you have given to me, I have given to them; so that they may be one, just as we are one — 23 I united with them and you with me, so that they may be completely one, and the world thus realize that you sent me, and that you have loved them just as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am; so that they may see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25 Righteous Father, the world has not known you, but I have known you, and these people have known that you sent me. 26 I made your name known to them, and I will continue to make it known; so that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I myself may be united with them.”


Psalm 8:4-10

4 (3) When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and stars that you set in place —
5 (4) what are mere mortals, that you concern yourself with them; humans, that you watch over them with such care?

6 (5) You made him but little lower than the angels, you crowned him with glory and honor,
7 (6) you had him rule what your hands made,you put everything under his feet —
8 (7) sheep and oxen, all of them, also the animals in the wilds,
9 (8) the birds in the air, the fish in the sea, whatever passes through the paths of the seas.

10 (9) Adonai! Our Lord! How glorious is your name throughout the earth!



Ephesians 2:5-7
5 that, even when we were dead because of our acts of disobedience, he brought us to life along with the Messiah — it is by grace that you have been delivered. 6 That is, God raised us up with the Messiah Yeshua and seated us with him in heaven, 7 in order to exhibit in the ages to come how infinitely rich is his grace, how great is his kindness toward us who are united with the Messiah Yeshua.


Romans 8:17
17 and if we are children, then we are also heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with the Messiah — provided we are suffering with him in order also to be glorified with him.

You said "Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 'We' on the other hand are human beings." Are you not a child of the most high God? Just like Jesus is His Son? You are a covenant child...In covenant, a child adopted, has a stronger position than a natural born child. It's blood covenant....Study what covenant is, my friend. God adopted us..That makes Jesus our brother, as well as our Lord, and our God...Meaning that if God made Jesus king, He also made You king...queen? It means that He gave Jesus all authority, Jesus shares that with YOU....Yes He is still our Lord.

You said "Jesus Christ was the Promised Messiah / His 'job' while here on earth. He came to die on the cross for our sins / resurrected and then ascended back up to God the Father." Yes, but that was not His only job...He came to take our right to rule away from Satan. Adam, as you know, gave that right to Satan at the fall, in the garden.


He came to set us free of all Satans legal dominion over us. And He did several other things too...including training and authorizing us to continue that work.


You said "
The name 'Christ' means anointed one" You are right. Christ does mean anointed....And you are a CHRISTian...One anointed, or authorized to do a job...Just like Jesus....Same job.

Will you PLEASE give scripture to back your arguments? Otherwise I have to assume you're simply sharing stuff you learned in church, from a pastor who does not know the Word.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

Would you give me a definition of Christian? The original use of the word, in Paul the Apostels day, derogatorily meant little christs.

Greetings @this human

Thank you for your question.

Subsequently I have spent sometime reading various commentries but can't find any that suggest "little Christs" by definition/translation.


The term Christian would indicate "followers of Christ" "of the way of Christ"

However, certain Jews would have looked on them in a derogatory way.

 

[Sue D.]

Jesus anointed us to go out and do what He did. Anointing is the anaugural ceremony for priests...We are kings and priests...we are sent out to the world


1 John 2:27-28
27 As for you, the Messianic anointing you received from the Father remains in you, so that you have no need for anyone to teach you. On the contrary, as his Messianic anointing continues to teach you about all things, and is true, not a counterfeit, so, just as he taught you, remain united with him.

28 And now, children, remain united with him; so that when he appears, we may have confidence and not shrink back from him in shame at his coming.


Matthew 28:18-20
18 Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, 20 and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age.”




John 17:20-26

20 “I pray not only for these, but also for those who will trust in me because of their word, 21 that they may all be one. Just as you, Father, are united with me and I with you, I pray that they may be united with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22 The glory which you have given to me, I have given to them; so that they may be one, just as we are one — 23 I united with them and you with me, so that they may be completely one, and the world thus realize that you sent me, and that you have loved them just as you have loved me.

24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am; so that they may see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25 Righteous Father, the world has not known you, but I have known you, and these people have known that you sent me. 26 I made your name known to them, and I will continue to make it known; so that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I myself may be united with them.”


Psalm 8:4-10

4 (3) When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and stars that you set in place —
5 (4) what are mere mortals, that you concern yourself with them; humans, that you watch over them with such care?

6 (5) You made him but little lower than the angels, you crowned him with glory and honor,
7 (6) you had him rule what your hands made,you put everything under his feet —
8 (7) sheep and oxen, all of them, also the animals in the wilds,
9 (8) the birds in the air, the fish in the sea, whatever passes through the paths of the seas.

10 (9) Adonai! Our Lord! How glorious is your name throughout the earth!



Ephesians 2:5-7
5 that, even when we were dead because of our acts of disobedience, he brought us to life along with the Messiah — it is by grace that you have been delivered. 6 That is, God raised us up with the Messiah Yeshua and seated us with him in heaven, 7 in order to exhibit in the ages to come how infinitely rich is his grace, how great is his kindness toward us who are united with the Messiah Yeshua.


Romans 8:17
17 and if we are children, then we are also heirs, heirs of God and joint-heirs with the Messiah — provided we are suffering with him in order also to be glorified with him.

You said "Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 'We' on the other hand are human beings." Are you not a child of the most high God? Just like Jesus is His Son? You are a covenant child...In covenant, a child adopted, has a stronger position than a natural born child. It's blood covenant....Study what covenant is, my friend. God adopted us..That makes Jesus our brother, as well as our Lord, and our God...Meaning that if God made Jesus king, He also made You king...queen? It means that He gave Jesus all authority, Jesus shares that with YOU....Yes He is still our Lord.

You said "Jesus Christ was the Promised Messiah / His 'job' while here on earth. He came to die on the cross for our sins / resurrected and then ascended back up to God the Father." Yes, but that was not His only job...He came to take our right to rule away from Satan. Adam, as you know, gave that right to Satan at the fall, in the garden.


He came to set us free of all Satans legal dominion over us. And He did several other things too...including training and authorizing us to continue that work.


You said "
The name 'Christ' means anointed one" You are right. Christ does mean anointed....And you are a CHRISTian...One anointed, or authorized to do a job...Just like Jesus....Same job.

Will you PLEASE give scripture to back your arguments? Otherwise I have to assume you're simply sharing stuff you learned in church, from a pastor who does not know the Word.

Actually -- Jesus Christ is Not our brother. Upon a person's salvation -- they become a son or daughter of God -- He becomes our heavenly Father.

You said that "If God made Jesus king, He also made You king....queen"? But He did not make Jesus king. And that does Not make believers kings / queens.

And 'we' do Not have all authority -- that would make 'us' part deity, which we are not.

Adam -- in Genesis -- believed the lie that satan told him. There was no 'right to rule' given to satan by Adam. There Was very negative consequences to All as a result Of. The serpant lost, Eve was 'now' going to subject to her husband, Adam. Adam would have to be digging out thorns from the garden. In fact, they were caste Out of the garden. Child-birth would be painful.

God has Allowed satan to have a certain amount of power here on earth.

And Jesus Christ's resurrection Broke our slavery To sin. We are not free of sin, but we Can say No to it.

All this 'stuff' I'm sharing Is what I've learned from Scripture and was brought up in Bible-teaching churches and have learned from my own Bible study And from digging in Scripture here on various Forums.

Bendito -- If I'm not mistaken -- haven't you shared that it's been years since you've been in a church? That supposedly God led you Out of going to a church? Hebrews tells us Not to separate ourselves from a body of believers. We Are to fellowship regularly with those of similar faith / practice. We Are to encourage one another in the Word.

And, yes, there Are pastors who do not know the Word. When That situation presents itself --we are to find one who Does.

 

[Blunder_Duck]

Since the OP question is predicated on the idea of other, I would note that Genesis does not carry any verse that tells us on the 6th day God created other people. If that isn't in the scriptures is the distinction issue of Adam and Eve a factor still?
Also, Adam and Eve were not immortal when created. They were thrown out of Eden before they had opportunity to consume the fruit of the tree of life. Which would then have made them immortal.

 

[Bendito]

Actually -- Jesus Christ is Not our brother. Upon a person's salvation -- they become a son or daughter of God -- He becomes our heavenly Father.

You said that "If God made Jesus king, He also made You king....queen"? But He did not make Jesus king. And that does Not make believers kings / queens.

And 'we' do Not have all authority -- that would make 'us' part deity, which we are not.

Adam -- in Genesis -- believed the lie that satan told him. There was no 'right to rule' given to satan by Adam. There Was very negative consequences to All as a result Of. The serpant lost, Eve was 'now' going to subject to her husband, Adam. Adam would have to be digging out thorns from the garden. In fact, they were caste Out of the garden. Child-birth would be painful.

God has Allowed satan to have a certain amount of power here on earth.

And Jesus Christ's resurrection Broke our slavery To sin. We are not free of sin, but we Can say No to it.

All this 'stuff' I'm sharing Is what I've learned from Scripture and was brought up in Bible-teaching churches and have learned from my own Bible study And from digging in Scripture here on various Forums.

Bendito -- If I'm not mistaken -- haven't you shared that it's been years since you've been in a church? That supposedly God led you Out of going to a church? Hebrews tells us Not to separate ourselves from a body of believers. We Are to fellowship regularly with those of similar faith / practice. We Are to encourage one another in the Word.

And, yes, there Are pastors who do not know the Word. When That situation presents itself --we are to find one who Does.

"
Actually -- Jesus Christ is Not our brother. Upon a person's salvation -- they become a son or daughter of God -- He becomes our heavenly Father." Jesus' Father and our Father are the same person. That makes Jesus our brother by adoption....
"He did not make Jesus KingK.....King of Kings?

Isaiah 9:6-9
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

8 The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

9 And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart,

Acts 2:29-30
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; Kings sit on thrones

John 12:15
15 Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
Who do you suppose this refers to?

Lots more that say Jesus is King...should I go on?

He made us Kings and Priests....

Revelation 1:5-7
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

There are more verses that say we are kings and priests....Should I go on?

You said "And 'we' do Not have all authority -- that would make 'us' part deity, which we are not."

Titus 2:15
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
That does not make us dieties.

The first thing that God ever spoke to Adam and Eve was blessing and legal reign in the Earth...

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

When somebody has dominion, especially when given by God, they have a legal right to reign as kings....When Adam bowed his knee and obeyed Satan, He gave away kingship to Satan. and he did it legally...
But you said "Adam -- in Genesis -- believed the lie that Satan told him."
No, my friend. Eve was deceived....Adam chose! It was not the sin of Eve but the sin of Adam that caused the fall.

You said "God has Allowed satan to have a certain amount of power here on earth."

Again, No...Jesus took authority away from Satan and gave it back to us....We allow Satan all the power that he has....When things go wrong in this world its OUR fault.
You said. "Bendito -- If I'm not mistaken -- haven't you shared that it's been years since you've been in a church? That supposedly God led you Out of going to a church? Hebrews tells us Not to separate ourselves from a body of believers. We Are to fellowship regularly with those of similar faith / practice. We Are to encourage one another in the Word."


Now you try to dscredit me because I don't go to church? Who said I'm separated from other believers...Where does the sripture say I must attend a church? It does not.
You us used a scripture to prove I'm wrong in not going to church..
Hebrews 10:25
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day.
.What church did the Christian Jews go to in Jerusalem anyway? None...they met in their homes. So, I guess they were disobedient? Truely Sue....there is NO scripture that says we must meet in a church....None. So the fact that I do not go to church is not a thing against me at all....When it comes down to it...When one does go to church, he should go to one that teaches according to what he believes....I believe the Word...and there are no churches that teach the Word anywhere around where I live....So please don't judge.

 

[Bendito]

Since the OP question is predicated on the idea of other, I would note that Genesis does not carry any verse that tells us on the 6th day God created other people. If that isn't in the scriptures is the distinction issue of Adam and Eve a factor still?
Also, Adam and Eve were not immortal when created. They were thrown out of Eden before they had opportunity to consume the fruit of the tree of life. Which would then have made them immortal.

Are you saying that because their bodies died they were not immortal? We are spirits...as was Adam. Imortal...

 

[Sue D.]

Bendito -- a person's Body will die unless the person is alive when -- as a believer-- they are raptured up. The soul Does live on. 'We' are physical people in physical bodies. As was Adam. Very mortal.

 

[Bendito]

Bendito -- a person's Body will die unless the person is alive when -- as a believer-- they are raptured up. The soul Does live on. 'We' are physical people in physical bodies. As was Adam. Very mortal.

Sue....I'm tired of arguing with you...Believe what you will.

 

[Sue D.]

Bendito -- I've never intended to argue with anyone. We simply don't agree with some important subjects.

 

[Bendito]

Bendito -- I've never intended to argue with anyone. We simply don't agree with some important subjects.

If you would read the scriptures I gave you, it would be a good start...surely you don't disagree with the Word?

 

[this human]

Greetings @this human

Thank you for your question.

Subsequently I have spent sometime reading various commentries but can't find any that suggest "little Christs" by definition/translation.


The term Christian would indicate "followers of Christ" "of the way of Christ"

However, certain Jews would have looked on them in a derogatory way.

My definition of christians are humans who are grateful to God/the Christ for all He has done and that look to Him, solely, for all He has said He will do.

 

[Sue D.]

My definition of christians are humans who are grateful to God/the Christ for all He has done and that look to Him, solely, for all He has said He will do.

Okay -- what Has God / Jesus Christ done for all of us humans.

 

[Blunder_Duck]

Are you saying that because their bodies died they were not immortal? We are spirits...as was Adam. Imortal...

I am saying the flesh of Adam and Eve was not immortal , as was the implication in the OP. Their souls were given them by God's breath when God breathed into Adams nostrils and Adam became a living soul.
The soul was immortal, the flesh could have been had they eaten of the tree of life prior to the tree of knowledge.

 

[Sue D.]

And That is why they were kicked out of the Garden Before they had a chance To of the of the tree of life.

 

[Bendito]

I am saying the flesh of Adam and Eve was not immortal , as was the implication in the OP. Their souls were given them by God's breath when God breathed into Adams nostrils and Adam became a living soul.
The soul was immortal, the flesh could have been had they eaten of the tree of life prior to the tree of knowledge.

Ok I see what you're saying Thanks

 

[Dovegiven]

The world has welcomed many "ways". If Chri

Greetings @this human

Thank you for your question.

Subsequently I have spent sometime reading various commentries but can't find any that suggest "little Christs" by definition/translation.


The term Christian would indicate "followers of Christ" "of the way of Christ"

However, certain Jews would have looked on them in a derogatory way.

The world has always welcomed many "ways", naming them the Way of (insert a name). If Christians had adopted simply "The Way", as even Jesus called Himself, that would have opened up constant objection, much foolish contention with every religion and philosophy. But few call their deity "anointed", as that prescribes an anointer, a greater one holding the oil and blessing of anointing. The proper position of Jesus is the One sent by the Father who anointed Jesus by way of the Holy Spirit to fulfill prophecies of the coming Messiah.

So it is that about 10 years after Jesus resurrection, His disciples had carried the gospel of Christ well beyond Jerusalem. Paul and Barnabus ministered a year in Antioch, a major Mediterranean city founded by a Roman general and king of Syria about 300 years earlier. There the first major population of gentile Christians emerged, credited to the ministry of Paul and Barnabus.

The Jews and political figures considered the "cult" of Jesus followers to be a major threat, so whatever title they awarded was of course derogatory. Luke, however, reported a title not subject to shame in Acts 11. The following was specifically of the Anointed One of God, namely Jesus. In those years before that, Jesus and His apostles were limited in regional coverage, relatively unknown. In those days the gentiles called the Jews the "Concision", named after what they regarded as an absurd religious practice, circumcision of males; and Paul lumping those men in with "dogs" and "evil workers" (Phil 3:2). The saved gentiles would probably reject a title like "The Uncircumcised", especially when learning they were actually circumcised of the heart, the spirit, not of the flesh.

A title like "Jesusites" would not have been useful either, since there were many men named Jesus, and some of those religious extremists.

The divinely appointed name is perfect. "Christians", adopted by even the world as quite appropriate, whether used positively or negatively..

 

[Fragrant Grace]

The divinely appointed name is perfect. "Christians", adopted by even the world as quite appropriate, whether used positively or negatively..

I agree @Dovegiven

In the post you quoted, I was trying to say that I could not find any reference to member This Humans translation of the word Christian.

Blessings

 

[this human]

Okay -- what Has God / Jesus Christ done for all of us humans.

First, He provided for our needs and, secondly, He provided us, mere humans, on the sixth phase of His creation, before the seventh phase in which He rested.

 

[Sue D.]

@ this human -- 1st off -- you're using the term 'sixth Phase' rather than the sixth Day of creation.

What needs do 'we' have as human beings.

You meant 'created' us rather than 'provided' us?!

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Sue,

forgive me for butting in if it offends you.
I don't know for sure, but I think our fellow Member did answer your question and in my little opinion, did so quite well.

First, He provided for our needs and, secondly, He provided us, mere humans, on the sixth phase of His creation, before the seventh phase in which He rested.

@ this human -- 1st off -- you're using the term 'sixth Phase' rather than the sixth Day of creation.

What needs do 'we' have as human beings.

You meant 'created' us rather than 'provided' us?!

Those provisions were from God. It is a beginning point that we sometimes might forget and it so happens it was in the beginning.
As you know, but I know i never shirk from being reminded, without Him we would not be, yet too many in this world overlook that and look to their own great achievements. Even the atheist gets caught in this, considering they did not orchestrate the big bang they theorize on. We also can overlook with consequences that the Lord has provided a magnificent planet earth with all its bountiful treasures of food that still bears seed after all this time, according to the Lord's first word on the matter. Then there is water and sunlight, day and night and seasons, etc etc etc. He is to be praised!

May I ask, why did you ask your question? Surely you know the answer? Surely.

My definition of christians are humans who are grateful to God/the Christ for all He has done and that look to Him, solely, for all He has said He will do.

Okay -- what Has God / Jesus Christ done for all of us humans.

and above all this, before the foundation of the world is Christ our Salvation.

Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Peter 1:20

It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because His compassions fail not.
Lamentations 3:22

Now i know i probably don't have to say this, but each of us talks and thinks a little differently about the same things and we all use words and expressions that in doing we attempt to convey something.
There are many who debate the literal days of Creation, so, to me, the use of phase is diplomatic, to say the least, while challenging at the same time.

If i am speaking out of line, forgive me. I only want to see peace amongst us all, in Jesus name and for His name's sake


Bless you ....><>

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