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Where on earth did this term "financial believing" come from? I hope it is not something that is taught in the church? If so, then it is another sad decay of corruption in churches.
this was not helpful at all...it's just another way of saying trusting God for your needs
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God knows all your needs. I heard one pastor say you can't ask God for money , the system of money is man made and money comes after work. He was trying to encourage us to get out of the habit of praying for money or tithing to get money or be prosperous. There are times when strangers or the people around you would bless you by donating money to help your situation, but it's with our hands.
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. Genesis 3:17
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." - 2 Thessalonians 3:10
Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you - 1 Thessalonians 4:11
Philippians 4:10-19
God's Provision
10 I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at length you have revived your concern for me. You were indeed concerned for me, but you had no opportunity. 11 Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content. 12 I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. 13 I can do all things through him who strengthens me.
14 Yet it was kind of you to share [1] my trouble. 15 And you Philippians yourselves know that in the beginning of the gospel, when I left Macedonia, no church entered into partnership with me in giving and receiving, except you only. 16 Even in Thessalonica you sent me help for my needs once and again. 17 Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that increases to your credit. [2] 18 I have received full payment, and more. I am well supplied, having received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent, a fragrant offering, a sacrifice acceptable and pleasing to God. 19 And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus..
There's nothing you can't ask God for, but we must also show appreciation for what we currently have and still give to others. We are not all meant to be rich, some of us will die poor. What our neighbor have we will never get or may get more. There's someone in this world right now praying to have what you have, for they have nothing.
As for praying if the walls are thin and you're not comfortable with him hearing...go outside. You can talk to God anywhere. You can also play worship songs in the room while you pray. Having a relationship with God is never complicated it's religion thats complicated. You thinking it alone and God already knows. He's waiting for you, so don't make it complicated. As for financial believing I would stop using that phrase, most people hearing that would automatically think of the new age false doctrine called the prosperity gospel. There's no such thing God is not obligated to make us rich or give us money. We work for money and when we can not work it's people we need to help us. That's why it's important for us to walk as brothers and sisters, to give to the poor and be hospitable towards strangers. For when the time comes and you're in need, those very same people will in return bless you because you've been a blessing to others. Charity is important , the church no longer knows the true meaning. They give to organizations yet forget tithing members who can't pay their mortgage. The pastor would say keep tithing God would release a financial blessing, keep giving and God will reward you and keep praying he'll provide. Meanwhile $2000 was collected in tithes and offering and that member needs $200 for food and they will never see it.
I'm not telling you not to pray, he's our father. What I'm trying to show is God wants us to be the hands and feet, if you're in need of a financial increase or just gas money to go to work this week your church is obligated to give. Unfortunately that system no longer exist and those who are in church have to fend for themselves.
I don't know your situation but God does and he will provide. There's no complicated ritual you need to do to be blessed. Seek him first, spend time in the word, seek after truth and be grateful for what you have.
Guidelines on blessings.
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. Genesis 3:17
For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." - 2 Thessalonians 3:10
Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you - 1 Thessalonians 4:11
Philippians 4:10-19
God's Provision
10 I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at length you have revived your concern for me. You were indeed concerned for me, but you had no opportunity. 11 Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content. 12 I know how to be brought low, and I know how to abound. In any and every circumstance, I have learned the secret of facing plenty and hunger, abundance and need. 13 I can do all things through him who strengthens me.
14 Yet it was kind of you to share [1] my trouble. 15 And you Philippians yourselves know that in the beginning of the gospel, when I left Macedonia, no church entered into partnership with me in giving and receiving, except you only. 16 Even in Thessalonica you sent me help for my needs once and again. 17 Not that I seek the gift, but I seek the fruit that increases to your credit. [2] 18 I have received full payment, and more. I am well supplied, having received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent, a fragrant offering, a sacrifice acceptable and pleasing to God. 19 And my God will supply every need of yours according to his riches in glory in Christ Jesus..
There's nothing you can't ask God for, but we must also show appreciation for what we currently have and still give to others. We are not all meant to be rich, some of us will die poor. What our neighbor have we will never get or may get more. There's someone in this world right now praying to have what you have, for they have nothing.
As for praying if the walls are thin and you're not comfortable with him hearing...go outside. You can talk to God anywhere. You can also play worship songs in the room while you pray. Having a relationship with God is never complicated it's religion thats complicated. You thinking it alone and God already knows. He's waiting for you, so don't make it complicated. As for financial believing I would stop using that phrase, most people hearing that would automatically think of the new age false doctrine called the prosperity gospel. There's no such thing God is not obligated to make us rich or give us money. We work for money and when we can not work it's people we need to help us. That's why it's important for us to walk as brothers and sisters, to give to the poor and be hospitable towards strangers. For when the time comes and you're in need, those very same people will in return bless you because you've been a blessing to others. Charity is important , the church no longer knows the true meaning. They give to organizations yet forget tithing members who can't pay their mortgage. The pastor would say keep tithing God would release a financial blessing, keep giving and God will reward you and keep praying he'll provide. Meanwhile $2000 was collected in tithes and offering and that member needs $200 for food and they will never see it.
I'm not telling you not to pray, he's our father. What I'm trying to show is God wants us to be the hands and feet, if you're in need of a financial increase or just gas money to go to work this week your church is obligated to give. Unfortunately that system no longer exist and those who are in church have to fend for themselves.
I don't know your situation but God does and he will provide. There's no complicated ritual you need to do to be blessed. Seek him first, spend time in the word, seek after truth and be grateful for what you have.
Guidelines on blessings.
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Hi Quenton,
You asked the question in your last post about being like the world and having to have a job. Nothing in this life comes free except one thing and that is the forgiveness of our Lord Jesus Christ...this gift is free because it was He who took our place and suffered our punishment so that we would not have to. This gift of eternal life, forgiveness, peace and love is completely free to us we only need to accept Him as Lord of our lives, believe He died and His blood was shed for us and then He rose again 3 days later to conquer death and its chains and in believing this we are then to do our best in this life to live a life pleasing to our Lord one that honors Him.
As far as having and keeping a job...man has worked since Adam was kicked out of the garden of Eden by God Himself.
Genesis3:17-19 Then to Adam He said " Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you saying " You shall not eat of it" Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you. And you shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; for dust you were and to dust you shall return.
Adam would have to and did work to provide for his wife Eve and the children they would have...working the land to grow food, build shelter, to have drinking water..He toiled on the land. Was God there I know He was and He heard Adam when he would pray to Him but Adam still had to work and many many people through out the Bible had to work...and Yes we have to work too...God didn't promise to hand everything to us on a silver platter that's just not how it works...we must work to earn what we have here on earth. Does God want us to prosper us...Sure He does...infact He says so in the Bible.
"I know the plans I have for you" Says the Lord " Plans to prosper you, not harm you. But, God expects us not to sit idle and do nothing while He does all the work...He isn't a genie in a bottle that grants wishes and He doesn't serve us We serve Him and we must always remember that. God wants us to do our part and that means working to pay the bills and provide for ourselves and families and also tithing when we can and when we do this and if we need extra help financially we get on our knees and pray to God and seeing that you are doing your best He will add to you and make you even more prosperous.
He is our provider. In the Bible He goes by many names and one of them is this one " JEHOVAH-JIREH"...it means The Lord will provide. I just watched Pastor John Hagee speak on this today and He talked about How no matter what our circumstance God will provide as long as you have faith and believe He will...as he put it " don't hang your harp on the willow branch keep ahold of it and sing a new song unto our Lord and give Him Praise and Glory and bring your circumstances to Him and He will provide for you. I believe without a doubt God provides for us financially and He will continue too.
You talk about this person you live with not believing God will bless us financially... I will be praying for him and knowing that somehow God will open his heart, ears and eyes to His truth. You talk about praying and how you feel he hears you...in the bible it talks about going into our prayer closet in secret so your requests to God are private. Is there
somewhere in your room he wouldn't be able to hear you? I sometimes use my own closet
in my room to go into and pray. maybe you could do that?
I will keep you in my prayers knowing God is working in your life to provide for you. Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world...May our Lord cause His light to shine upon you and may He keep you now and forever more my friend!
God bless!
You asked the question in your last post about being like the world and having to have a job. Nothing in this life comes free except one thing and that is the forgiveness of our Lord Jesus Christ...this gift is free because it was He who took our place and suffered our punishment so that we would not have to. This gift of eternal life, forgiveness, peace and love is completely free to us we only need to accept Him as Lord of our lives, believe He died and His blood was shed for us and then He rose again 3 days later to conquer death and its chains and in believing this we are then to do our best in this life to live a life pleasing to our Lord one that honors Him.
As far as having and keeping a job...man has worked since Adam was kicked out of the garden of Eden by God Himself.
Genesis3:17-19 Then to Adam He said " Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you saying " You shall not eat of it" Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you. And you shall eat the herb of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; for dust you were and to dust you shall return.
Adam would have to and did work to provide for his wife Eve and the children they would have...working the land to grow food, build shelter, to have drinking water..He toiled on the land. Was God there I know He was and He heard Adam when he would pray to Him but Adam still had to work and many many people through out the Bible had to work...and Yes we have to work too...God didn't promise to hand everything to us on a silver platter that's just not how it works...we must work to earn what we have here on earth. Does God want us to prosper us...Sure He does...infact He says so in the Bible.
"I know the plans I have for you" Says the Lord " Plans to prosper you, not harm you. But, God expects us not to sit idle and do nothing while He does all the work...He isn't a genie in a bottle that grants wishes and He doesn't serve us We serve Him and we must always remember that. God wants us to do our part and that means working to pay the bills and provide for ourselves and families and also tithing when we can and when we do this and if we need extra help financially we get on our knees and pray to God and seeing that you are doing your best He will add to you and make you even more prosperous.
He is our provider. In the Bible He goes by many names and one of them is this one " JEHOVAH-JIREH"...it means The Lord will provide. I just watched Pastor John Hagee speak on this today and He talked about How no matter what our circumstance God will provide as long as you have faith and believe He will...as he put it " don't hang your harp on the willow branch keep ahold of it and sing a new song unto our Lord and give Him Praise and Glory and bring your circumstances to Him and He will provide for you. I believe without a doubt God provides for us financially and He will continue too.
You talk about this person you live with not believing God will bless us financially... I will be praying for him and knowing that somehow God will open his heart, ears and eyes to His truth. You talk about praying and how you feel he hears you...in the bible it talks about going into our prayer closet in secret so your requests to God are private. Is there
somewhere in your room he wouldn't be able to hear you? I sometimes use my own closet
in my room to go into and pray. maybe you could do that?
I will keep you in my prayers knowing God is working in your life to provide for you. Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world...May our Lord cause His light to shine upon you and may He keep you now and forever more my friend!
God bless!
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do you believe christians are still of the curse?
advice: don't pray out loud, so that he won't hear you
more advice: if you really need to pray out loud once in a while or something, maybe do it as you're driving to work or something?
even more: try to understand that the problem here may be the fact that you seem to be needing people to think like you, and if they don't, you're bugged....and that this may be more of a commentary of your rigidness and lack of grace, than it may be a commentary that he is somehow thinking incorrectly, or that he's messed-up and lost.
As Dr. Phil would say: "how's that workin' for you"? And you're telling us it's not working so well. Well...you can't change him, right? So, if you really want to solve this problem, the change will need to be with you, it seems to me.
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This reminds me of when my husband and I would have conversations about loud music. A person who plays loud music for ALL to hear is very rude.
If this roommate dislikes this, it is like you are playing loud music to him.
s.i.e gave you some great advice. Sometimes we have to get out of our comfort zone to get with God.
We are to pray without ceasing. That means all day, every day. Not just at a certain time. God never sleeps. So it isn't about His time or whatever, but about what works for us and those around us.
Some might say to just keep praying aloud, but is that a good witness? To pray as loud and whenever I want no matter how someone else feels. It sounds a might selfish to me.
I'm not saying you are selfish...just the mindset that I can pray when and where I want to. (Might as well stomp your foot and have a 'fit')
If this roommate dislikes this, it is like you are playing loud music to him.
s.i.e gave you some great advice. Sometimes we have to get out of our comfort zone to get with God.
We are to pray without ceasing. That means all day, every day. Not just at a certain time. God never sleeps. So it isn't about His time or whatever, but about what works for us and those around us.
Some might say to just keep praying aloud, but is that a good witness? To pray as loud and whenever I want no matter how someone else feels. It sounds a might selfish to me.
I'm not saying you are selfish...just the mindset that I can pray when and where I want to. (Might as well stomp your foot and have a 'fit')
did Jesus ever pray in His head?
i didn't say people need to like me i'm saying the problem is i am tryingto respect this is his house
and since when did Christians follow Dr Phils advise about their own livess? A Christian can't home to be a Christian by askingthe secular world.
And I have no interest in changing myself. So once again this is anotherpost that i didn't feel helped at all.
s.i.e told me to change or shut up..not advise at all seeing how i am not going to change. And i didn'texactly say i was going to yell and throw a fit i said i can't even talk in a normal voice without him hearingme.
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The Bible doesn't say anything about Jesus praying in His head, but Jesus isn't in your situation either. He is with you, but I highly doubt that He would condemn someone for praying quietly or in their head. We really don't know if Jesus DID pray in His head. The Spirit would have had to tell the writer about it. The Bible says that if everything Jesus did was written it would fill books and books. AND we would do more than He!
If we are to pray without ceasing, I believe Jesus did, too. That means He might have prayed 'in His head.'
Do you think that if you pray in your head, God won't hear you?
If you are in someone else's house, you should abide by their rules. You talk about respecting the house, the man.
Have you talked about this with your roommate?
You might need to reevaluate the situation.
Personally, I think you attitude needs to be different, but that's just because of what I have read in this post.
Attacking people who are trying to help isn't a very Christ-like thing to do for instance.
Quenton - the problem is, you're not really truly asking for advice, or help. I completely understand why you didn't take a liking to the advice I gave you: I know in my own experience, the most useful/helpful advice I get, I usually hate hearing! It's usually never "fun" or endearing, to hear it.
Anyways...until you recognize THIS as your main problem:
...you will continue to have problems! And, you will continue to respond like this:
...and, nothing will ever change for you.
You didn't like my Dr. Phil nonsense...so you probably will write off the advice of Socrates as well, who said "the unexamined life is not worth living".
Write it off, or not, I believe it's the truth. You should examine yourself. Always. Sorry in advance, as I know you won't like hearing that either.
>While we're at it (going back to the title of your thread, which is called "Advise") -- here's some more advice: be careful of asking for advice, before you ask for it. Make sure you really truly are, actually, asking for it...because if you ask for advice, you'll probably get it. So, if you never actually were open to hearing it in the first place, it will simply frustrate you and make you angry at those trying to help. One "test" you might put yourself through before you ask for advice, is to ask yourself if you're open to changing -- at all -- and if you're not, then you really don't want advice. So, don't ask for it. Just my advice, since you say you're asking for it.
Anyways...until you recognize THIS as your main problem:
...you will continue to have problems! And, you will continue to respond like this:
...and, nothing will ever change for you.
You didn't like my Dr. Phil nonsense...so you probably will write off the advice of Socrates as well, who said "the unexamined life is not worth living".
Write it off, or not, I believe it's the truth. You should examine yourself. Always. Sorry in advance, as I know you won't like hearing that either.
>While we're at it (going back to the title of your thread, which is called "Advise") -- here's some more advice: be careful of asking for advice, before you ask for it. Make sure you really truly are, actually, asking for it...because if you ask for advice, you'll probably get it. So, if you never actually were open to hearing it in the first place, it will simply frustrate you and make you angry at those trying to help. One "test" you might put yourself through before you ask for advice, is to ask yourself if you're open to changing -- at all -- and if you're not, then you really don't want advice. So, don't ask for it. Just my advice, since you say you're asking for it.
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i'm looking for advise on the situation scripturally not someones personal, not someones dr phil, i don't want the flesh and i don't want the secular i just wantscriptural advise on this site if you can't provide that your of no help to me. Best advise i accept is the scriptural
what i am saying is i have never seen God not use his words to do things...can faith be found without words?...
attacking who? quote please...
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When you find the verse that will tell you what to do when your roomate/landlord doesn't view his spirituality the same way you do (financial believing, as you call it) and might be a bit bothered by your praying about that stuff in a "normal" voice, but out loud....you will then find your answer, Quenton.
In the mean time, you might want to expand your question-set a bit, as well as your acceptable inputs, which may (and should!) include things outside the 66 books of the Bible. If you are looking for real help here, you need to be less narrowly focused, and look for wisdom from any sources that God might send your way. Yes, including things you might find or hear or read from the secular world too.
But then again, that's just me giving you advice, which you seem to be clearer and clearer about not wanting. Not only that, but even if I comlied with your now new requirement of having only scriptures quoted to you, you've already said that you don't want to change, and have no plans on changing...so what would even that do for you at this point?
(in your OP, you didn't say that you were just looking for people to quote only scriptures to you. If you did, I wouldn't have bothered at all, since there are no verses that speak to your exact situation / circumstance. I think that's because God wants us to think for ourselves, and He's given us enough of what we need from scriptures to set our M.O.'s...but from there, He's interested to see what we'll choose along the way.)
he told usw to be in the world not of it...seeing how to be of it is the only way to accept their advise i'm not interested in that kind of advise..so why would I ask for anything other than scripture because that is the only advise we are to seek.
btw when i say im not going to change that means that i'm not interested in turning to secular advise, or changing my own faith to match that of someone elses to please them. IF youd like to give me some scriptural advise that would be great but here's the warning i'm not going to listen to anything secular nor will i take seculoar advise. But thank you for taking the time to answer me the best you could.
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When you ask for advice and then say, this post didn't help me at all...RED FLAG! So frustrating...trying to help someone that really doesn't want it! *sigh*
okay. I have to ask if you even read the post or just skimmed it to see what the jest was and then put your spin on it.
I know that some people have a 'booming' voice no matter how quiet they talk. It's just how God made them. Maybe it is that way with you. Deal with it!
If you can't pray in the house, pray outside...somewhere...anywhere...in a church, park, etc. It doesn't matter where you are. It's a matter of the heart, not location!
I guess I am one that prays all day. I pray out loud (sometimes just a worship song can be prayer!), I pray quietly, I pray in my head (daily and all day my prayer language goes through my mind).
If you won't change, then how can God use you? That's putting up a barrier. :-S And at some point, He'll take it down.
When I saw your first post and then where you said:
Originally Posted by Quenton
And I have no interest in changing myself.
Am I the only one that sees that as arrogance? Maybe I am (and I'm giving out tough love here), but why would you want to stay the same? Maybe God is calling you to do something different. To get out of that comfort zone!
Thankfully, God's mercies are NEW EVERY MORNING!!
Have you ask Him about this?
okay. I have to ask if you even read the post or just skimmed it to see what the jest was and then put your spin on it.
I know that some people have a 'booming' voice no matter how quiet they talk. It's just how God made them. Maybe it is that way with you. Deal with it!
If you can't pray in the house, pray outside...somewhere...anywhere...in a church, park, etc. It doesn't matter where you are. It's a matter of the heart, not location!
I guess I am one that prays all day. I pray out loud (sometimes just a worship song can be prayer!), I pray quietly, I pray in my head (daily and all day my prayer language goes through my mind).
If you won't change, then how can God use you? That's putting up a barrier. :-S And at some point, He'll take it down.
When I saw your first post and then where you said:
Originally Posted by Quenton
And I have no interest in changing myself.
Am I the only one that sees that as arrogance? Maybe I am (and I'm giving out tough love here), but why would you want to stay the same? Maybe God is calling you to do something different. To get out of that comfort zone!
Thankfully, God's mercies are NEW EVERY MORNING!!
Have you ask Him about this?
i'm going to have to ask that you post scriptuer only from now on as well because i'm not interest in going back in foorht without some scripture...
i'm not interested in changing my self in the sense of my beliefs or how i pray. if there is something in the bible i need to change to become i will do so. But to change my self for someone else isn't a interest of mine.
Ok, now it's my turn: scriptures please?
I'm not sure where why or how Christians ever got this idea that the Bible has a mutually exclusive Patent on wisdom, or good advice. So...do you have verses for that Quenton? Verses, that would tell us that we should only ever read / study / take queue's / try to find direction / try to find guidance / etc. from the Bible alone??
God can speak through any assortment of things, and often, from the least likely thing you might imagine...which absolutely includes a wide assortment of things from the "secular" realm. Did you ever read Blue Like Jazz by Donald Miller? I can't say I particularly liked the book - it was ok - but he did do an interesting job on pointing out some of the various and sundry things he has witnessed in his life which gave him a far better and more real understanding of God.
If you're closed off to anything and everything outside the 66 books of the Bible, at a minimum, you'll live a relatively boring and uninteresting life, and won't be a witness to the "secular" world in a way that would cause them to be interested in exploring Jesus Christ. But again, I'm just a person, and that's just my opinion. You won't find my opinion in Scripture...so, perhaps you should ignore that part.
