Alcohol

[Fellowservant]

I see a problem both ways here, the scriptures tell us not to judge folks who drink responsibly. Then we have the offence of the weak conscience in doing so, Why? because some become greaved with it. So what do we do?

Drink responsibly and don't offend your brother with your knowledge... period. Some scriptures for the weak and strong below, im not going to be responsible for offence by telling the truth, so follow the words of Paul and love your nighbour as yourself.



Please read below...



Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. [COLOR]
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed [are] pure; but [it is] evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Rom 14:21 [It is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom 14:22 [COLOR="Red] Hast thou faith? have [it] to thyself before God. Happy [is] he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. [/COLOR]
Rom 14:23 [COLOR="YellowGreen"]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.

Now we still see a problem because of the conscience of the weak, so be carefull. We are full of different doctrines today, some for and some against the drinking of wine because of our ignorance of scripture or a brother being greaved with our meat. So this is where love comes in and righteous judgment. We are told not to please ourselves only, but show love and help for the weak no matter how weak he is.


So because of the misunderstanding of these scriptures, and drunkards, we the Church are miss informed about as lot of this subject. Just when you thought you were safe to do what you want, this turns on you. Also the offence back then wasn't the wine or food but what was being done with it. So that still applys today as in being a drunkard. So does offending with meat or drink, because of the weak...


But if the weak judges the one who is strong, he has the offence now in his court...see how this works? So be carefull with your knowledge, but don't let anyone judge you because you have some, two wrongs don't make a right...love and edify one another:shade:


God bless

 

[stephen]

i really dont want to sound like an ***, but with your view as you have just put it, your calling Jesus a drunk If it begins with the first drink, then..... Because Jesus did drink wine.

Hi

'Fellowservant' has taken the time to give us some excellent scripture, and guidence on this matter.

I am happy to leave the matter with his summing up. Which I think is excellent.

God Bless You

 

[SpiritLedEd]

I know Jesus first miracle was to turn several barrells of water into wine. Now with that in mind, is it cool for a christian to take a drink. As long as he knows how to control himself and also knows when to quit.

Moderate consumption of alcoholic drinks, in my opi nion, is n ot wrong. What the Bible cries out against is drinking to excess (to the point of physical impairment/drunkenness).

SLE

 

[Eve]

Hi,

Sometimes ones concern about a substance is not necessarily judgement on those that take the substance eg alchohol. I have heard that when Jesus turned water to wine at that point in history wine was actually safer to drink because of all the diseases/parasites in the water that could make you ill.
In the developed world of today it is a different story.

They didn't have these sort of tests then and isn't being responsible acting on the information you currently have to the best of your ability and ensuring the safety of those around you?

It has recently been proved that alchohol can affect reaction times from even the first drink, I have often wondered if the driver of the car that collided with my partner hadn't had a couple of drinks before he drove home, would my partner still be alive today and would my little girl still have her Daddy?

Be safe this Christmas and New Year. If you are planning to drink count drinks right from the first one so that you know how many you have had, so you don't drink too much. Have a designated driver who abstains completely or organise a taxi way in advance. I personally feel in any drinking situation it is worth having at least one person who stays completely sober. If an accident were to happen at least one person can be thinking fast with a clear head and clear judgement.:icon_biggrin:

My final point is that standing in judgement works both ways, people have judged me for wanting to stay sober also. It is not always easy dealing with peer pressure and insisting on being the 'responsible adult'. I think that it is important to respect everyones views on the subject as long as it doesn't compromise anyones safety.

May God Bless and keep you safe and happy this Christmas.

Eve

 

[stephen]

It has recently been proved that alchohol can affect reaction times from even the first drink, I have often wondered if the driver of the car that collided with my partner hadn't had a couple of drinks before he drove home, would my partner still be alive today and would my little girl still have her Daddy?

Dear Lord...only you can help us

My final point is that standing in judgement works both ways, people have judged me for wanting to stay sober also. It is not always easy dealing with peer pressure and insisting on being the 'responsible adult'. I think that it is important to respect everyones views on the subject as long as it doesn't compromise anyones safety.

Precious lady.............

 

[TheAJKMan]

But if a man can't touch alcohol because he has little self control, then he should'nt touch what he can't handle and this includes the opposite sex as well...

And better I could not have said it myself. I think that many forget that we are in the world, though we are not to be part of it. I know that wehn I mix with non-believers, I'm gonna on occasion have the odd drink or two. When I get to my set limit, that is it, no more. Not because I can't handle it, but mostly I'm the driver in my family, so I need to stay sober. And even if I wasn't driving, I've had a hangover or three in my life and would rather not have another thank you. I drink to relax, enjoy myself and socialise. I am as Paul said as much like them as I can be without compromising what I believe. And trust me, people notice that kinda of self control. They comment on it and it lets you know that be it however small and humble, a seed has been planted. The same principle can be applied to any area of life


theajkman

 

[Buddy2]

I have changed my opinion, which was wrong concerning the drinking of alcohol. Thanks to Fellowservant's and other's posts using scripture, I agree that "It is not what goes in that defiles anyone, it's what comes out from the heart". So if someone feels comfortable drinking then it's alright. On the other hand if another person chooses not to, it's alright too. Thank You for helping me through my weakness and legalism, which of course affects more than just the comsumtion of alcohol.

The Law (legalism) convicts all men while God's Grace sets us free.

Thank You Jesus.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

That is a lie....Not one thing in the bible that state Jesus ever drunk.... In the Middle East, if you take black ripe grapes and squeeze them, you will get semi fermental grape juice but it did not make them drunk. Like today, because it did not contain enough alcohol like today... So it was not a light grape juice, but it was not a whole alcoholic wine either

I can't forget to say that almost all they can drink back in those days are wine because it was hard to find good water around the areas so they had to drink wine that did not contain all alchohol but a grape juice like I said before....

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Plus I no when somebody ask to drink I no God told me not to drink because I no it is wrong so you can just set there think you could drink all you want!!!!

 

[SpiritLedEd]

That is a lie....Not one thing in the bible that state Jesus ever drunk.... In the Middle East, if you take black ripe grapes and squeeze them, you will get semi fermental grape juice but it did not make them drunk. Like today, because it did not contain enough alcohol like today... So it was not a light grape juice, but it was not a whole alcoholic wine either

I can't forget to say that almost all they can drink back in those days are wine because it was hard to find good water around the areas so they had to drink wine that did not contain all alchohol but a grape juice like I said before....

There must have been a signicant alcohol content in the wine used in those days. At the wedding feast of Cana, after Jesus had changed water into wine, the master of the banquet(who did not know where the wine came from) approached the bridegroom and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now." (Jn 2:10 NIV)

As to your claim that the Bible does not speak of Jesus drinking wine, I point out this scripture from Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:34 ,"The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."



SLE

 

[eyob]

the best thing to do is to avoid it all together

yes it's better if we dont drink alcohol at all.