Welcome!

By registering with us, you'll be able to discuss, share and private message with other members of our community.

SignUp Now!
  • Welcome to Talk Jesus Christian Forums

    Celebrating 20 Years!

    A bible based, Jesus Christ centered community.

    Register Log In

Anthropomorphically speaking, could this be also 1 of “The Signs & Wonders” of “The Coming of “The MORNING STAR”

Status
Not open for further replies.

PloughBoy

Loyal
Joined
Dec 2, 2019
Messages
9,782
I always receive “Notifications” on my IPhone each morning. I glance at it then keep it moving.
But this time one notification caught my I eye, of What the world had observed. At that movement, my mind “Race” across the whole Biblical Text of The Bible.

“The Hubble Space Telescope has glimpsed the most distant single star it's ever observed, glimmering 28 billion light-years away. And the STAR could be between 50 to 500 times more massive than our sun, and millions of times brighter.”
It's the farthest detection of a star yet, from 900 million years after the big bang. Astronomers have nicknamed the star Earendel, derived from an Old English words that means "morning star" or "rising light."

When I read that, I lit up! And took “Notice”!
Maybe, just maybe, another message within the message!

“I AM” on My Way!! Traveling at a “High of Rate of Speed” from a far off “LAND”!

And it will not be long. I’m traveling faster that “The Speed of Light”!

New American Standard Bible
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you of these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”..f.

27AND HE SHALL [r]RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE SHATTERED, as I also have received authority from My FATHER; 28and I will give himTHE MORNING STAR” !…The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the “CONGREGATION” of “GOD”!

I’m going old school now, “if you ain’t happy NOW! something is wrong with you!
 
Last edited:
Are we paying attention to “Signs and Wonders”?


And things are happening all over The World and the main media and governments are keeping us in the dark, concerning the world is coming apart at it seams Literally. And it is hard to get information.
 
Hey, “New Jerusalem”. Following Him! Coming out of The Sky


Who knows.
For I am always looking for The signs of His coming, and Anticipation keeping me waiting! Everyday and night! Last night I felt like the Earth was shaking, and I wonder was it time and kept on sleeping.
 
The amazing thing, throughout the centuries many of these events have taken place in church history The Reformation period is one and The “Dooms Day Clock” is still ticking, and it is “100 seconds to Midnight”.

For these “Earthlings” are on the Wild! I don’t go out at night, “Zombie Land”!
 
Now He looked up and saw the wealthy putting their gifts into the temple treasury. 2And He saw a poor widow putting [a]in two https://biblehub.com/nasb_/luke/21.htm#fnleptacoins. 3And He said, “Truly I say to you, this poor widow put in morethan all of them; 4for they all[c]contributed to the [d]offering from their [e]surplus; but she, from her poverty, put in all [f]that she had to live on.”

5And while some were talkingabout the temple, that it was decorated with beautiful stonesand [g]vowed gifts, He said, 6As for these things which you are observing, the days will comewhen there will not be left onestone upon [h]another, which will not be torn down.”

7They asked Him questions, saying, “Teacher, when thereforewill these things happen? And what will be the https://biblehub.com/nasb_/luke/21.htm#fnsign when thesethings are about to take place?”8And He said, “See to it that you are not misled; for many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not goafter them. 9And when you hear of wars and revolts, do not be alarmed; for these things MUST TAKE place first, but the end will not follow immediately.”

Things to Come

10Then He continued by saying to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdoms11and there will be [j]massive earthquakes, and in various places plagues and famines; and there will be terrible sights and great [k]signs from heaven.

12But before all these things, [Reformation period]:eyes:they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, turning you over to the synagogues and prisons, [l]bringing you before kings and governors on account of My name.13It will lead to [m]an opportunity for your testimony. 14So [n]make upyour minds not to preparebeforehand to defend yourselves;15for I will provide you [o]eloquence and wisdom which none of your adversaries will be able to opposeor refute. 16But you will be betrayed even by parents, brothersand sisters, other relatives, and friends, and they will put some of you to death, [reformation period] :eyes:17and you will be hated by all people because of My name. 18And yet not a hair of your head will perish. 19By your endurance you will gain your [p]lives.

20“But when you see Jerusalem-surrounded by armies, then[q]recognize that her desolation is near. 21Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are inside [r]the citymust leave, and those who are in the country must not enter https://biblehub.com/nasb_/luke/21.htm#fnthe city; 22because these are days of punishment, so that all thingswhich have been written will be fulfilled. 23Woe to those womenwho are pregnant, and to thosewho are nursing babies in thosedays; for there will be greatdistress upon the [t]land, and wrathto this people; 24and they will fallby the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampledunderfoot by the Gentiles until thetimes of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The Return of Christ

25“There will be https://biblehub.com/nasb_/luke/21.htm#fnsigns in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the seaand the waves, 26people fainting from fear and the expectation of the things that are coming uponthe [v]world; for the powers of [w]the heavens will be shaken. 27And then they will see the Son of Mancoming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28But when thesethings begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemptionis drawing near.”

29And He told them a parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees: 30as soon as they put forthleaves, you see for yourselves and know that summer is now near.31So you too, when you see these things happening, [x]recognize that the kingdom of God is near.32Truly I say to you, thisgeneration will not pass away untilall things take place. 33Heavenand earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.

34“But be on your guard, so that your hearts will not be weighed down with dissipation and drunkenness and the worries of life and that [y]this day will not come on you suddenly, like a trap;35for it will come upon all those who live on the face of all the earth. 36But stay alert at all times, praying that you will have strengthto escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
 
I would think the problem with the use of signs as a way of wondering is rather than prophecy. The difference is in foundations .One based on what the eyes see the temporal and the other the word of God the eternal vision . One by sight the other by faith

Jesus said it evil faithless generation that looks to signs to wonder after none were given .Wondering is used rather than faith as it is written.

I think is why when Jesus was revealing the most possible greatest miracle born again .Jesus told Nicodenmus one who sought after sign to wonder or called stargazers. Jesus said: marvel not but rather beleive my words .Marveling or wondering is not believing or exercising a faith that could please God .

Lucifer or referred to as the morning star is the author with all power of lying wonders giving the illusion God is still adding .But the writen witness (whole book of law) is sealed with 7seals till the end of time

God is no longer bringing any new Revaltion after any manner. but Satan is still doing that work deceiving mankind with lying signs as wonders..(2 Thessalonians 2:9)

The doctrine of the Glory of God can be a useful tool. Follow the glory trail for the wisdom of God the true riches .

This light (morning star) is copied from the Bible . Its light which they claim is brighter than our Sun has no affect on earth. Its not about who has the biggest or brightest .That what they call mourning star is simply a galaxy far away and not part of the earth in any way earth and its inhabitants the destination or subject matter .Its not about who has the biggest or brightest or which one is first.

This light they call the "morning star" again as bright as it might be It provides neither light for day on earth or lesser for night . 24 hour day. it leaves the question if it light is not here when will it arrive ?

Unlike our Sun as day light, and reflected light the Moon at night . Two working as one.

When the Bible uses the term "under the Sun" it represents the temporal time period we are in winding down to the last day .What I would call the corruption clock winding down .When again just as in the first 3 days of creation God's Holy presence was the Glory as the light of the world.

In the new heavens and earth there will be no need for the temporal glory of Sun and the moon the reflected glory. There will be no night there

In that way knowing beforehand that mankind's pagan religion would be based on glorying what the eyes seethe Sun wouldbe the first choice of power and the worship of Sun gods. Three days he waited to establish the literal Sun is not the source of life .Again the pagan foundation "out of sight our of mind." (three denotes the end of a matter throughout the bible)

When the glory of God the light of the whole earth departed on day three God having found pride in the heart of the Lucifer a false light called the "morning star "

Isaiah 14:12 - “How you have fallen from heaven,O star of the morning, son of the dawn!You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations

In Revealtion21 we see the glory of God returning as the light of the world the temporal time clock ran out of time. The new lighter brighter than the light as the glory of God the first three days is brighter when both the father the source or power of God and the Son reflecting the glory of God become the bright and morning light

Revelation 21:22-25 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star

Another witness

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

Where Lucifer the spirit of lies failed and usurped the light rather than reflecting it .The Son of God working with and not against like Lucifer finished the work together they became the bright as the source of glory and as the reflection again even brighter than when he first said .Let the be light and it was good .

Another witness

Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
 
I would think the problem with the use of signs as a way of wondering is rather than prophecy. The difference is in foundations .One based on what the eyes see the temporal and the other the word of God the eternal vision . One by sight the other by faith

Jesus said it evil faithless generation that looks to signs to wonder after none were given .Wondering is used rather than faith as it is written.

I think is why when Jesus was revealing the most possible greatest miracle born again .Jesus told Nicodenmus one who sought after sign to wonder or called stargazers. Jesus said: marvel not but rather beleive my words .Marveling or wondering is not believing or exercising a faith that could please God .

Lucifer or referred to as the morning star is the author with all power of lying wonders giving the illusion God is still adding .But the writen witness (whole book of law) is sealed with 7seals till the end of time

God is no longer bringing any new Revaltion after any manner. but Satan is still doing that work deceiving mankind with lying signs as wonders..(2 Thessalonians 2:9)

The doctrine of the Glory of God can be a useful tool. Follow the glory trail for the wisdom of God the true riches .

This light (morning star) is copied from the Bible . Its light which they claim is brighter than our Sun has no affect on earth. Its not about who has the biggest or brightest .That what they call mourning star is simply a galaxy far away and not part of the earth in any way earth and its inhabitants the destination or subject matter .Its not about who has the biggest or brightest or which one is first.

This light they call the "morning star" again as bright as it might be It provides neither light for day on earth or lesser for night . 24 hour day. it leaves the question if it light is not here when will it arrive ?

Unlike our Sun as day light, and reflected light the Moon at night . Two working as one.

When the Bible uses the term "under the Sun" it represents the temporal time period we are in winding down to the last day .What I would call the corruption clock winding down .When again just as in the first 3 days of creation God's Holy presence was the Glory as the light of the world.

In the new heavens and earth there will be no need for the temporal glory of Sun and the moon the reflected glory. There will be no night there

In that way knowing beforehand that mankind's pagan religion would be based on glorying what the eyes seethe Sun wouldbe the first choice of power and the worship of Sun gods. Three days he waited to establish the literal Sun is not the source of life .Again the pagan foundation "out of sight our of mind." (three denotes the end of a matter throughout the bible)

When the glory of God the light of the whole earth departed on day three God having found pride in the heart of the Lucifer a false light called the "morning star "

Isaiah 14:12 - “How you have fallen from heaven,O star of the morning, son of the dawn!You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations

In Revealtion21 we see the glory of God returning as the light of the world the temporal time clock ran out of time. The new lighter brighter than the light as the glory of God the first three days is brighter when both the father the source or power of God and the Son reflecting the glory of God become the bright and morning light

Revelation 21:22-25 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star

Another witness

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

Where Lucifer the spirit of lies failed and usurped the light rather than reflecting it .The Son of God working with and not against like Lucifer finished the work together they became the bright as the source of glory and as the reflection again even brighter than when he first said .Let the be light and it was good .

Another witness

Isaiah 30:26 Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound.
1st. Once must have a good knowledge of “Holy Scripture” to discuss certain things.

2nd. One must have lodge in Their being The Whole counsel of GOD.

3rd. There must not be any hint of guile in that person.

4. That person must understand word definitions.
[etymology].

5. That person must have a full conception of “Biblical Terminology”“to engage in such fashions so that person is not deceiving others and themselves to discuss such less they be proven a fool.

6. “Signs and wonders” is a solid Rock in “Biblical Terminology” that cannot be “ REFUTED” And and back up by “Holy Scripture” from “Genesis to The Book of Revelation” any “Kindergartner” knows that in Sunday School!

7. “I Did say:

“Anthropomorphically speaking”​


8. Never address something you do not understand never assume you know the meaning of words that you are not familiar with less you be proven a babbling fool by your own assessment of words.

The Title Thread is:

Anthropomorphically speaking, could this be also 1 of “The Signs & Wonders” of “The Coming of “The MORNING STAR”​

And please if possible if you can “address” the contents of The “Biblical Text” that has been describe.

And please stop trying to high Jack this Thread to insert some “Cultic type Characteristics of a “Heretic” so call Faith.
If you want to talk about modern day “lame” so called “Prophets” start you a Thread addressing such matters.

PS. Maybe you should, take a comprehension class at elementary for this “Thread has not mention The Study of “Astrology “. Neither is it directed that way, But the “slithering” creature have slithered with crafty and skill for the purpose to divert.

For I will not be drawn into a deceptive diversion.

And I Rebuke you SATAN! “In The Mighty Name Of “Jesus Christ The SON of The LIVING “GOD”!

Noted:
7And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
 
Last edited:
I always receive “Notifications” on my IPhone each morning. I glance at it then keep it moving.
But this time one notification caught my I eye, of What the world had observed. At that movement, my mind “Race” across the whole Biblical Text of The Bible.

“The Hubble Space Telescope has glimpsed the most distant single star it's ever observed, glimmering 28 billion light-years away. And the STAR could be between 50 to 500 times more massive than our sun, and millions of times brighter.”
It's the farthest detection of a star yet, from 900 million years after the big bang. Astronomers have nicknamed the star Earendel, derived from an Old English words that means "morning star" or "rising light."

When I read that, I lit up! And took “Notice”!
Maybe, just maybe, another message within the message!

“I AM” on My Way!! Traveling at a “High of Rate of Speed” from a far off “LAND”!

And it will not be long. I’m traveling faster that “The Speed of Light”!

New American Standard Bible
“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you of these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”..f.
Thanks for sharing that in applying hope to endure to the end.
27AND HE SHALL [r]RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE SHATTERED, as I also have received authority from My FATHER; 28and I will give himTHE MORNING STAR” !…The one who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the “CONGREGATION” of “GOD”!

I’m going old school now, “if you ain’t happy NOW! something is wrong with you!
If you consider that verse as Him being the Potter and His authority to shatter the vessels not abiding in Him & His words for how He will be judging the 7 churches in Revelation, it will not be a happy time for many saved believers that get left behind but a weeping and gnashing of teeth in not being partakers of the first fruit of the resurrection like Esau over the loss of his birth right over a meal and the prodigal son having given up his inheritance for wild living, even though he is still son. These be where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House as it will be considered a damnation because then they can never be that vessel unto honor in His House after the Bridegroom had come & gone.

But your OP should be taken as a heads up for believers to go before that throne of grace, asking Him if they are ready as found abiding in Him & His words to go ( Luke 12:40-49 & John 15:1-8 & 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 & Hebrews 12:1-2 ) as well as not being ensnared by the cares of this life by being overcharged by commitments & other man made bondages ( Luke 21:33-36 ) that they are not willing to leave for the King's Supper ( Luke 14:15-24 ) when the Bridegroom comes.
 
I don’t do speculations, or eisegesis I am considered a Reformed Theologian, Field of Study; “Theology Proper”.
Concerning Hermeneutics, “Historical Grammatical Method” I am.

Hey, that says it all, and leaves not a rock unturned. I am a open book! Plus I accept”The Chicago Statement of “Biblical Inerrancy”.

Now since you are a biblical student, need I to say anymore?

I am solid and a open book.

“For without Works Faith is Dead”

“HE purges us to bear much Fruit”! “much Fruit”!

Study to show yourself approved Unto GOD” …ff. [and not a man! ]
 
PS. Maybe you should, take a comprehension class at elementary for this “Thread has not mention The Study of “Astrology “. Neither is it directed that way, But the “slithering” creature have slithered with crafty and skill for the purpose to divert.

For I will not be drawn into a deceptive diversion.
It would seem you have drawn others to the morning star just named by looking through a telescope as if we could know Christ after the rudiments of this corrupted world .through a microscope or telescope. Search for Christ in prophecy .Prophecy is for believers signs and wonders for the rebels

It has nothing to do with the words morning star in the Bible .

Signs and wonders” is “Biblical Terminology. But it must be defined as to its purpose which obviously evil today no sign or prophecy is added. We have the perfect or face to face

Unless a person desires to promote the kind of Power of Satan the author of stargazers he is still active .This is even though God is no longer bringing any new revelations.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Jesus said it an evil generation that seeks to wonder after signs .Prophecy is for believers .

Here is a question. Why did he call it a "evil generation" and why no signs after the sign of Jonas, which has was fulfilled during the three days and nights demonstration ?
 
“For without Works Faith is Dead”
It should be noted that the phrase is about faith in God providing that is requiring leading by example and not the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works.

Discipleship in running that race requires works for abiding in Him as His disciples as we live by faith in Jesus Christ to help us live lay aside every weight & sin daily in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.

As it is, if we run that race as if discipleship is about obtaining salvation, rather than the high prize of our calling to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House when the Bridegroom comes, then we are denying Him as our Savior when we are saved since having come to & believed in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Romans 11:
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 4:1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Is it any wonder why some believers will be found not wearing their wedding garment as works for salvation can void faith in Jesus Christ in being our Savior for having believed in him in how He as saved us?

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God..... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified..... 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

As heresy or works of iniquity can deny Him, so will He deny them, but to show the power of God in salvation for all those that believe in him, even in His name, is why those saints & former believers left behind shall die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven awaiting for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, the vessels of wood & earth serving the King of kings on that new earth under that new heaven.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Fortunately He is faithful for He still abides in former believers and even for those led astray in running that race in trying to obtain salvation by works that shall get left behind at the rapture event as they shall become vessels unto dishonor in His House as God is able to save those who believe in Jesus Christ, even in His name; nit by the will of the flesh nor by the will of man, but by God saving those who believe.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

Now saved with Jesus Christ in us, we can look to Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily so we can be received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House at the rapture event which is to His glory & not ours .

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Our faith in Jesus Christ while we are running that race.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 
It would seem you have drawn others to the morning star just named by looking through a telescope as if we could know Christ after the rudiments of this corrupted world .through a microscope or telescope. Search for Christ in prophecy .Prophecy is for believers signs and wonders for the rebels

It has nothing to do with the words morning star in the Bible .

Signs and wonders” is “Biblical Terminology. But it must be defined as to its purpose which obviously evil today no sign or prophecy is added. We have the perfect or face to face

Unless a person desires to promote the kind of Power of Satan the author of stargazers he is still active .This is even though God is no longer bringing any new revelations.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Jesus said it an evil generation that seeks to wonder after signs .Prophecy is for believers .

Here is a question. Why did he call it a "evil generation" and why no signs after the sign of Jonas, which has was fulfilled during the three days and nights demonstration ?
If I was not so kind; if any thought that “Luther” was a derange Boar, and totally insane, and Language he used and at same time a such towards “GOD” with fear but compelled to march out in The Defense of The Gospel ACCORDING to “Jesus who is The ANOINTED of GOD the FATHER, and The characteristic of “John KNOX” flowing in my veins, with The Boldness of “JEREMIAH” with a hint of “Timid”! They ain’t seen nothing yet, when I have become a “Flame” and I don’t mean a “Spark” especially when dime store cowboys, Try to “Saddle up” and ride me, with “Hillbilly Spurs” made out of “Bailing wire”! Who have went to “Novelty Stand” and pick a “Comic Book” and “Marveled”. And wondered.if it is another planet of Super Hero’s.
I told you I was nice, by this time Luther, would be very colourful and John Knox, that wild looking Saint with that “Big Broad Sword strap around His Waist! Eyes looking wild, Even The Queen started to Shake and crying!

PS go back and do your Home work, and stay out of those “dime store” comic Books.

Your Grade for today is. “-E”:eyes:

Now instead you arguing with me. You go back and study again, because you are “Flunking”:eyes:

And guess what, I ain’t doing your home work for you and ain’t giving you the answers!

Either find it in a comic book or do your own research reading.
 
It should be noted that the phrase is about faith in God providing that is requiring leading by example and not the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works.

Discipleship in running that race requires works for abiding in Him as His disciples as we live by faith in Jesus Christ to help us live lay aside every weight & sin daily in living that reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ.

As it is, if we run that race as if discipleship is about obtaining salvation, rather than the high prize of our calling to be received by Him as that vessel unto honor in His House when the Bridegroom comes, then we are denying Him as our Savior when we are saved since having come to & believed in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Romans 11:
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Romans 4:1What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

Is it any wonder why some believers will be found not wearing their wedding garment as works for salvation can void faith in Jesus Christ in being our Savior for having believed in him in how He as saved us?

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God..... 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified..... 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

As heresy or works of iniquity can deny Him, so will He deny them, but to show the power of God in salvation for all those that believe in him, even in His name, is why those saints & former believers left behind shall die, but their spirits will be with the Lord in Heaven awaiting for their resurrection after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, the vessels of wood & earth serving the King of kings on that new earth under that new heaven.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. 11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Fortunately He is faithful for He still abides in former believers and even for those led astray in running that race in trying to obtain salvation by works that shall get left behind at the rapture event as they shall become vessels unto dishonor in His House as God is able to save those who believe in Jesus Christ, even in His name; nit by the will of the flesh nor by the will of man, but by God saving those who believe.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God

Now saved with Jesus Christ in us, we can look to Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily so we can be received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House at the rapture event which is to His glory & not ours .

1 Corinthians 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Our faith in Jesus Christ while we are running that race.

Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. 21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
You are wrong!

Your quote:
“It should be noted that the phrase is about faith in God providing that is requiring leading by example and not the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works.”

You wouldn’t know what Faith is if it slap you across the head.


And GOD have not given You the Authority to interpret his Holy Word you mouth ain’t fit to do so!

“And let The Word of GOD be True any every man is a liar”

And sir, you are Not “Exempt”:pensive: And if you think your are!

The Truth, hurt, now how does it feels to be “Slap” by “Faith” that was once delivered by The Saints of Old”

Do you feel me now? “Faith Is the substances of things Hope for and The Evidence of Things not seen”

Note: you didn’t see that one coming.

That is what you call “Enlightenment”. Did you see The “Stars”?
 
You are wrong!

Your quote:
“It should be noted that the phrase is about faith in God providing that is requiring leading by example and not the faith in Jesus Christ for salvation which is without works.”
You wouldn’t know what Faith is if it slap you across the head.


And GOD have not given You the Authority to interpret his Holy Word you mouth fit to do so!

“And let The Word of GOD be True any every man is a liar”

And sir, you are Not “Exempt”:pensive: And if you think your are!
It is too bad that believers cannot place James words to the topic for which he was rebuking the church for doing in using their faith in God's Providence in getting out of helping the poor.

As it is, they apply "faith without works being dead" nulling and voiding the numerous scriptures in the N.T. for how we are saved by believing in Jesus Christ and why God is pleased by having saved those who believe.

Discipleship is about running that race by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily or else be disqualified as a reprobate from attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven as a vessel unto honor when the Bridegroom comes. So there is more at stake than the loss of the rewards of crowns, but one can become a castaway in being damned when left behind to become vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth.

All I can do is ask you to, ask Jesus Christ to make sure you are applying James' words right because only He can confirm what I say to you for why you should check with Him again.

It is not like I am saying we do not have to follow Him when there is just cause for concern for why we should look to Him daily for help in following Him; to avoid being left behind, but discipleship, as in running that race, has to be separate from salvation, or otherwise you can forget about getting the Holy Ghost at your salvation moment in being born again of the Spirit because you still have to run that race & maintain works in order to get salvation and that is not the truth for what James was talking about in faith without works being dead.

Faith without works being dead in the context of what James was talking about is the church getting out of helping the poor by NOT leading by example of showing their faith in God to provide for the poor by the church helping the poor.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

So the church's faith in God to provide being said to the poor will not profit the poor nor save the poor when in the eyes of the poor, the church's faith in God to provide is dead seeing how the church failed to lead by example.
 
It is too bad that believers cannot place James words to the topic for which he was rebuking the church for doing in using their faith in God's Providence in getting out of helping the poor.

As it is, they apply "faith without works being dead" nulling and voiding the numerous scriptures in the N.T. for how we are saved by believing in Jesus Christ and why God is pleased by having saved those who believe.

Discipleship is about running that race by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily or else be disqualified as a reprobate from attending the Marriage Supper in Heaven as a vessel unto honor when the Bridegroom comes. So there is more at stake than the loss of the rewards of crowns, but one can become a castaway in being damned when left behind to become vessels unto dishonor in His House, vessels of wood & earth.

All I can do is ask you to, ask Jesus Christ to make sure you are applying James' words right because only He can confirm what I say to you for why you should check with Him again.

It is not like I am saying we do not have to follow Him when there is just cause for concern for why we should look to Him daily for help in following Him; to avoid being left behind, but discipleship, as in running that race, has to be separate from salvation, or otherwise you can forget about getting the Holy Ghost at your salvation moment in being born again of the Spirit because you still have to run that race & maintain works in order to get salvation and that is not the truth for what James was talking about in faith without works being dead.

Faith without works being dead in the context of what James was talking about is the church getting out of helping the poor by NOT leading by example of showing their faith in God to provide for the poor by the church helping the poor.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

So the church's faith in God to provide being said to the poor will not profit the poor nor save the poor when in the eyes of the poor, the church's faith in God to provide is dead seeing how the church failed to lead by example.
I will say this to the unlearn in Christ and haven’t come to full maturity in Christ for in which we all are guilty.

James the brother of Jesus grew up with Jesus and did not believe He Was The Son of GOD until He Rose up from The Grave! He thought that Jesus along with Jesus other brothers and sisters thought “ Jesus was a “Lunatic” and documented in “The Holy Scriptures”

And next; There was no Bible written when composed His Letter “The Epistle of James” written for The 12 tribes that was scattered abroad. Who had only the few OT books that was read to them and they did not have a compile NT writings. When James the Lord wrote his letter between “A.D. 45-50” being one of the earliest books or letters of the New Testament Writings to The Christian Jews of The Roman Empire.

And Barely made its way into “The Canon of Scripture” of The 66 books plus The Canon of Scripture of the collective books of “The Roman Catholic Church” of Faith.

You cannot school me about The Letter written by James The LORDS brother. You don’t have enough hours of Studying The Letter written by “James” to do so, your are is not there. You climb through a window I went it would said through the Door. I question every Book of The New Testaments.:pensive: And I did a “Thorough Research of The Collective books of The New Testament and was “Divinely Inspired” to do so, not my will but thy will be done”

Inspired to do so and not a Will of mine. When I was young and strong, and could stay up all night studying hours upon hours with no rest!
 
I will say this to the unlearn in Christ and haven’t come to full maturity in Christ for in which we all are guilty.

James the brother of Jesus grew up with Jesus and did not believe He Was The Son of GOD until He Rose up from The Grave! He thought that Jesus along with Jesus other brothers and sisters thought “ Jesus was a “Lunatic” and documented in “The Holy Scriptures”

And next; There was no Bible written when composed His Letter “The Epistle of James” written for The 12 tribes that was scattered abroad. Who had only the few OT books that was read to them and they did not have a compile NT writings. When James the Lord wrote his letter between “A.D. 45-50” being one of the earliest books or letters of the New Testament Writings to The Christian Jews of The Roman Empire.

And Barely made its way into “The Canon of Scripture” of The 66 books plus The Canon of Scripture of the collective books of “The Roman Catholic Church” of Faith.

You cannot school me about The Letter written by James The LORDS brother. You don’t have enough hours of Studying The Letter written by “James” to do so, your are is not there. You climb through a window I went it would said through the Door. I question every Book of The New Testaments.:pensive: And I did a “Thorough Research of The Collective books of The New Testament and was “Divinely Inspired” to do so, not my will but thy will be done”

Inspired to do so and not a Will of mine. When I was young and strong, and could stay up all night studying hours upon hours with no rest!
No one can school any one when it is on God to cause the increase, but we are called to edify and correct by the scriptures and not every one will be heeding His words to confer with Him if they need pruning to bear more fruit.
 
No one can school any one when it is on God to cause the increase, but we are called to edify and correct by the scriptures and not every one will be heeding His words to confer with Him if they need pruning to bear more fruit.
You ain’t there so stop trying to be a fool it is not fitting to you to act like one.

So stop you are not heavy enough.
 
If I was not so kind; if any thought that “Luther” was a derange Boar, and totally insane, and Language he used and at same time a such towards “GOD” with fear but compelled to march out in The Defense of The Gospel ACCORDING to “Jesus who is The ANOINTED of GOD the FATHER, and The characteristic of “John KNOX” flowing in my veins, with The Boldness of “JEREMIAH” with a hint of “Timid”! They ain’t seen nothing yet, when I have become a “Flame” and I don’t mean a “Spark” especially when dime store cowboys, Try to “Saddle up” and ride me, with “Hillbilly Spurs” made out of “Bailing wire”! Who have went to “Novelty Stand” and pick a “Comic Book” and “Marveled”. And wondered.if it is another planet of Super Hero’s.
I told you I was nice, by this time Luther, would be very colourful and John Knox, that wild looking Saint with that “Big Broad Sword strap around His Waist! Eyes looking wild, Even The Queen started to Shake and crying!

PS go back and do your Home work, and stay out of those “dime store” comic Books.

Your Grade for today is. “-E”:eyes:

Now instead you arguing with me. You go back and study again, because you are “Flunking”:eyes:

And guess what, I ain’t doing your home work for you and ain’t giving you the answers!

Either find it in a comic book or do your own research reading.

I flunked again Lol . E for effort?

Fourth grade the four hardest years of my life

Cute but you are the one chasing after sign so you can wonder after marvel characters . I am trusting the word of God prophecy. I am not the one who said no sign is given other than as usual history repeating its self just as in the days of Noah .

Here is a question. Why did he call it a "evil generation" and why no signs after the sign of Jonas, which has was fulfilled during the three days and nights demonstration ?

What is a evil generation?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top