Antichrist; What is - Who is it- Where is he from.
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Rev 17:9 '.....seven hills on which the woman sits....'.
IFO 17:9 - Rome is uniquely famous for its seven hills.
NO OTHER city nearly as famously nicknamed “city of 7 hills” as Rome has been since before NT was written.
For centuries the consensus of Roman Catholic and non-RC commentators was that Rome was the Revelation "city of 7 hills" ... just RC commentators claimed it meant pre-Papal Rome. [many still claim this]
Naturally with a billion Papist in the world, the truth regarding the Great *****
is oft disputed and RCs are happy to claim the “city of 7 hills” is any city other than Rome.
saginon, your input is not merely wrong, it is ridiculous, and shows you use your intelligence not to find truth .... but to evade truth.
There are close to 20 cities labeled a 'city of 7 hills'. Mecca happens to be one and it is more applicable than Rome because the word OROS is used in Revelation 17:9 and it's NOT a hill, it's a MOUNTAIN! I've already explained, and I'll explain it again!
Revelation 17:9 "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."
Rome does not sit on seven mountains! It doesn't even sit on seven hills! There are seven hills on the East side of the Tiber River. 'Vatican Hill' sits on the west side of the Tiber. THAT MAKES 8 HILLS TOTAL! - AND!
The word 'hills' is an incorrect translation. OROS IS A MOUNTAIN NOT HILL! The 7 hills on the east side of the Tiber, are too small to be designated as 'mountains'. Strong's specifically states that a hill is lower than a mountain. Rome's seven hills are so small, typically between 200 to 500 feet, and appear as 'little nubs' when viewed from a distance. The city of seven mountains is Jerusalem.
The reformers got it wrong. They were so prejudiced toward Rome they took extreme measures to stigmatize it as the beast and the harlot. Today, most people are moving away from that because,
"There's NOT one verse of end-time prophecy that implicates Rome whatsoever emerging as the harlot or the beast."
I've been asking for you or anyone to quote one for a while now.
Babylon falls twice. Ancient Babylon has fallen and Babylon the Great - Islam will fall when the Lord returns.
And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”
And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!
The religion of Islam is full of demons, and it doesn't take hours of research for a Christian to discover that truth.
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NONE of those cities has been known since before NT days as "the city of seven hills."
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No, you got it wrong.
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So is the Vatican .... and Islam is not claiming to be the HQ of Jesus's Church.
- EITHER - is - OR - is not –
From - NEW OXFORD REVIEW [RC publication] March 1987, page 6
By- Peter Kreeft [well known Roman Catholic author] [------------------------]
“Chesterton, alas, was wrong. We no longer want a Church that moves the world.
We want a Church that moves with the world. But what we want is the opposite of what we need.”
Well known Roman Catholic author Peter Kreeft wrote [and I agree]:
“Either the [Roman Catholic] Church is the voice of Jesus Christ on earth,
supernaturally and infallibly guaranteed by Almighty God to reveal to us His word and His will, not man's, not 'society's'; or it is not.
If it is, then we must stop all this pussyfooting nonsense about rights to dissent and exceptionalisms.
Do we have a right to dissent against God? Do we want to be exceptions to the Will of God?
If the Church is not what she claims to be, then it is the most idolatrous, blasphemous, and arrogant thing in the world,
and it is the duty of every lover of Christ to hate and oppose her. [---------------------------------]
Peter Kreeft is Assoc. Professor of Philosophy at Boston College –
Note Prof. Kreeft's logic- Either the RC "church" IS or IS NOT what it claims to be.
Either all the popes ARE what they are claimed to be, or they are NOT.
Either every pope has been and is everything RC doctrine claims a pope is, or every pope has been a fraud.
Centuries ago, Elijah said to a crowd of fence sitters - "....... How long will you falter between two opinions ?
If Lord is God, follow Him; But if Baal, then follow him. But the people did not answer him a word." 1Kin.18:21
The reformers didn't ALL see Rome as the beast or harlot. Some saw Islam because of the Crusades. It's just that they were prejudice toward Rome, and some are still prejudice against Rome today! It's up to you to prove Rome - the Pope - and Catholicism emerge in the last days as either the beast or the harlot.
I'm going to ask you again. Quote ONE verse that points the finger to Rome!
I keep telling you...
Rome has been stigmatized as the end-time beast(s) because they crucified Christ, destroyed the Temple and persecuted Christians during the inquisition. Rome no longer persecutes people. Who is beheading people and crucifying them to trees today? Catholic's? Does bible prophecy support Rome, Italy and a European coalition of nations as the End-time Beast? Absolutely not!
Every nation mentioned in bible prophecy is Arab, Persian, and Islamic today.
Who does God say He will raise up in the last Days? Rome or the Babylonians?
NIV...
“Look among the nations and watch—
Be utterly astounded!
For I will work a work in your days
Which you would not believe, though it were told you.
For indeed I am raising up the Chaldeans, (Babylonian's - Muslim's!)
A bitter and hasty nation
Which marches through the breadth of the earth,
To possess dwelling places that are not theirs.
The Chaldean's are the Babylonian's and they represent today's Arabs and Muslim's in prophecy.
Who "marches through the breadth of the earth to possess dwelling places that are not theirs?" Who is bent on dominating the world today? Catholic's or Muslim's? - Muslim's!
Ahh, but it's just coincidence...
The number of the verses in the Koran according to the scholars:
Ibn-i Abbas (ra): 6616, Nafi (ra): 6217, Shayba (ra): 6214,
Scholars of Egypt (ra): 6226,
Zamahshari (ra) (the genius Eloquence Scholar of the Arabic language and literature); 6666.
Bediuzzaman, mujaddid (the reformer) of the13.century, also has the opinion of 6666 verses.
Most people are unaware that the right hand and forehead have religious significance in Islam. They're too busy looking at the Pope's funny hat. A Muslim's method of worship and goal of world domination through jihad and demographics is perfectly describe in ONE VERSE in Habakkuk.
"They shall come all for violence: their faces shall sup up as the east wind, and they shall gather the captivity as the sand."
They shall come all for violence: (Islamic terrorism)
…their faces shall sup up as the east wind, (Muslim method of worship)
…and they shall gather the captivity as the sand. (Innumerable followers and World domination) Islam has captivated about 1.7 billion followers.
The word 'worship' in the book of Revelation is the word 'proskyneō' and it perfectly describes a Mulims' form of worship...
Among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence.
Catholic's believe Jesus is the son of God, Muslim's don't and they're not afraid to admit it...
Around the octagonal structure of the Dome of the Rock is a long classical Arabic inscription that says that God has no begotten son, thus denying that Jesus is the Son of God. Inscriptions on the octagonal structure of the Dome are anti-Christ. They say…
– There is no God but Allah.
– God has no son; He begetteth not.
– God taketh not unto Himself a son.
– God has no associate.
– Muhammad is the messenger of God.
– Allah will preside on Judgment Day.
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."
The mark of the beast, i.e. the Islamic false prophet, is the zebiba or 'raisin.' It's a patch of hardened skin that forms on the forehead of fanatical Muslims from repeatedly hitting the mat. A Muslim's forehead hits the mat at least 35 times a day in submission to Allah resulting in over a million prostrations in a lifetime.
We believe that Jesus Christ takes away our sins and is the Rock of Ages and the chief cornerstone of the Churches foundation. Did you know that Muslim's bow toward a black rock in Mecca 5 times a day and believe it takes away their sins. This black rock is the 'cornerstone' of the Kaaba.
Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, (Shia and Sunni sects of Islam) and he spake as a dragon. (Morning star crescent moon)
The two horned beast is symbolic of the Sunni and Shia sects of Islam - AKA "Babylon the Great."
We believe Jesus is the "prophet like unto Moses." Muslims believe that would be the false prophet Muhammad.
The name Lucifer in Hebrew is Heylel. It comes from the word 'halal' and it means, "The Morning Star." 1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:–Lucifer. Hilal in Arabic means…. Web definition Hilāl (هلال) is an Arabic word that means "crescent" or "new moon." It's an Islamic symbol!
Heylal, Halal ,and Hilal means… Lucifer… aka Satan… aka the devil… and in Christian literature actually means… The Morning Star and Crescent Moon......ISLAM!
The locust of Rev. 9 has long been associated with Muslims because in several places in the Old Testament the Arabs are associated with and likened to locust or grasshoppers. Revelation 9 is where suicide bombers are found.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
One more thing...
"Captive silly women," has ISLAM written all over it.
2 Timothy 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,…
The word 'silly' is better interpreted 'little' in the sense of being insignificant. After all, Mid-East Muslims value their cattle more than their women and consider them as 'farmland'. Muslim women have been held captive to the oppressive religion of Islam since its inception. Not to mention that most people murdered in an honor killing is a woman.
...and I'm not done!
Now, you show me one verse of end-time prophecy where Rome is clearly identified as the end-time beast and harlot.
It's not the beast, but can't it be the harlot? The harlot rides on the beast and the beast hates the harlot and only gives her a ride for his own benefit. If you get a muslim Jesus as the false teacher who says that he is the christian Jesus, like the Kuran says, Rome can also accept him and churches that become one with Rome.
Israel was called harlot in the O.T. if they had other gods, so the church that has other gods could be too.
The beast 'hates the harlot and burns her with fire'. That means Mecca and maybe Medina gets nuked, probably by Iran, the King of the North. Saudi Arabia is likely the king of the South.
It’s seem so simple to me who plays the roll of anti christ. It can only be one entity, and that entity must be able to show forth signs and wonders/miracles. The only other entity spoken of in the Bible besides God and Christ, that can preform miracles, is Satan. Satan goes by 7 to 10 different names in the Bible, and all those names played in rolls at different times, was Satan.
Satan was the tree of good and evil in the garden of Eden. I think one of his names was, the Assyrian. He went by the devil, dragon, serpent, Rev 12:12 therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and he that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabited of the earth and of the Sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
And that short time is a five month period broken down into two two and one half months periods. You remember, Christ has shortened the time or there would be no flesh saved. Rev 9:5 tormented five months. Rev 9:10. And their power was to hurt men five months.
A few more of Satan’s go by names, Apollyon, Abaddon, death, son of perdition, and there are more.
Satan is behind all the conflict between God. Satan is the one that is in chains held by the Archangel, Michael, in heaven at the present. Michael will be setting Satan free upon the earth in the not to distance future to play the roll of anti christ. And he’s going to make peace upon the whole world and he will expect everyone to bow and worship him as he shows Himself to be the true Christ.
I know the Bible indicates anti christ will beat and kill people but that’s not so. If anti christ acted in that way he could not fool anyone that he was the true Christ. Does that make sense my friends. He has to talk and act like Christ or he can not fool anyone in to believing he is Christ.
How many will be deceived into worshiping the fake Christ? Rev 13:8. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This foundation here is, from Satan’s overthrow. And you can bet that one third that sided and fought along side God at that attempted coup are written in the BOOK OF LIFE.
There are probably men upon this earth at the present that would like to play the roll of anti christ but they do not have the power to preform signs and wonders. So if you think anti christ will be a flesh man here on earth that has been born upon this earth through the womb of woman you will more than likely be deceived.
Those that know that anti christ will come to earth first, before the true Christ returns, will not be fooled, unless. Satan/anti christ is very intelligent. He has been around for a long long time and he knows flesh man like the back of his hand. Anti christ knowing that many knows he will come first, so he may be real witty in that he may send an impostor to throw one’s timing off.
By the way, in the Greek language, the word anti means, instead of. So we have an in stead of Christ coming claiming to be the true Christ.
Back to this timing thing. If Satan was to sent an impostor and one was to believe the impostor to be the anti christ and then the real anti christ make his appearance, one may be fooled in that way, thinking this second christ is the real Christ. All anti christ has to do is get you to bow your knee one time in worship to him, and it’s millennium boot camp for those who are fool. Even in mistake. This is the real test for those who are alive in flesh bodies at end time event is, does one know the true Christ when He returns. This is the test. Not that you do or do not love God. Many that profess to love God and are good people will make this terrible mistake of worshiping the fake Christ.
It’s not a sentence to Hell to worship the fake Christ at this time, just I sentencing to the 1000 years period of time known as the millennium to be taught by qualified teacher of Gods word.
Anti christ/Satan will be bound during the millennium but let loose at the end to test the people again. This time those who follow Satan, will go into the lake of fire to be blotted out. Not even their remembrance will survive.
Paul opens our eyes to the mystery of how one can be sure when the true Christ has returned. 1Cor 15:51-52. Behold, I shew you a mystery. 52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump, this is the seventh Trump, and we shall be changed. The moment the true Christ returns to earth, flesh falls away and everyone takes on a spiritual body.
I didn’t say that everyone overcame. There is just a body change for those in the flesh body at this moment of time. There we’ll be a brief accountability of those who refused to worship anti christ and those who were fooled in to believing anti christ was the true Christ. Those who worshipped anti christ by mistake will be enrolled into that 1000 years period of time known as the millennium to be taught the true word of God by qualified teachers.
Bottom line here, if you can pinch yourself and your still in this ole flesh body, the true Christ has not returned. Paul has made it pretty simple not to be fooled. Sounds to simple but true. The true Christ returns at the seventh Trump, and not before.
Satan was the tree of good and evil in the garden of Eden. I think one of his names was, the Assyrian. He went by the devil, dragon, serpent, Rev 12:12 therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and he that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabited of the earth and of the Sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
And that short time is a five month period broken down into two two and one half months periods. You remember, Christ has shortened the time or there would be no flesh saved. Rev 9:5 tormented five months. Rev 9:10. And their power was to hurt men five months.
A few more of Satan’s go by names, Apollyon, Abaddon, death, son of perdition, and there are more.
Satan is behind all the conflict between God. Satan is the one that is in chains held by the Archangel, Michael, in heaven at the present. Michael will be setting Satan free upon the earth in the not to distance future to play the roll of anti christ. And he’s going to make peace upon the whole world and he will expect everyone to bow and worship him as he shows Himself to be the true Christ.
I know the Bible indicates anti christ will beat and kill people but that’s not so. If anti christ acted in that way he could not fool anyone that he was the true Christ. Does that make sense my friends. He has to talk and act like Christ or he can not fool anyone in to believing he is Christ.
How many will be deceived into worshiping the fake Christ? Rev 13:8. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. This foundation here is, from Satan’s overthrow. And you can bet that one third that sided and fought along side God at that attempted coup are written in the BOOK OF LIFE.
There are probably men upon this earth at the present that would like to play the roll of anti christ but they do not have the power to preform signs and wonders. So if you think anti christ will be a flesh man here on earth that has been born upon this earth through the womb of woman you will more than likely be deceived.
Those that know that anti christ will come to earth first, before the true Christ returns, will not be fooled, unless. Satan/anti christ is very intelligent. He has been around for a long long time and he knows flesh man like the back of his hand. Anti christ knowing that many knows he will come first, so he may be real witty in that he may send an impostor to throw one’s timing off.
By the way, in the Greek language, the word anti means, instead of. So we have an in stead of Christ coming claiming to be the true Christ.
Back to this timing thing. If Satan was to sent an impostor and one was to believe the impostor to be the anti christ and then the real anti christ make his appearance, one may be fooled in that way, thinking this second christ is the real Christ. All anti christ has to do is get you to bow your knee one time in worship to him, and it’s millennium boot camp for those who are fool. Even in mistake. This is the real test for those who are alive in flesh bodies at end time event is, does one know the true Christ when He returns. This is the test. Not that you do or do not love God. Many that profess to love God and are good people will make this terrible mistake of worshiping the fake Christ.
It’s not a sentence to Hell to worship the fake Christ at this time, just I sentencing to the 1000 years period of time known as the millennium to be taught by qualified teacher of Gods word.
Anti christ/Satan will be bound during the millennium but let loose at the end to test the people again. This time those who follow Satan, will go into the lake of fire to be blotted out. Not even their remembrance will survive.
Paul opens our eyes to the mystery of how one can be sure when the true Christ has returned. 1Cor 15:51-52. Behold, I shew you a mystery. 52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last Trump, this is the seventh Trump, and we shall be changed. The moment the true Christ returns to earth, flesh falls away and everyone takes on a spiritual body.
I didn’t say that everyone overcame. There is just a body change for those in the flesh body at this moment of time. There we’ll be a brief accountability of those who refused to worship anti christ and those who were fooled in to believing anti christ was the true Christ. Those who worshipped anti christ by mistake will be enrolled into that 1000 years period of time known as the millennium to be taught the true word of God by qualified teachers.
Bottom line here, if you can pinch yourself and your still in this ole flesh body, the true Christ has not returned. Paul has made it pretty simple not to be fooled. Sounds to simple but true. The true Christ returns at the seventh Trump, and not before.
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"The dragon (Satan) gave him (Beast from the Sea) his power and his throne and great authority" Rev 13:2
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No, it does not mean Mecca and maybe Medina gets nuked.
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Mecca and Medina may someday get nuked, but neither of them are the harlot of Rev 17&18. No matter how much papist wish they were.
@Beresheet == Genesis 3 tells us that satan either Was the serpent or entered the serpent. The tree was a real tree. And, yes, he did have many names.
The Rev. 9:6 passage is talking about when the 5th angel sounds and smoke locusts are coming up out of the ground and sting like scorpians and can only torment people who do Not have the seal of God and that lasts for 5 months.
But that's not in place of the 7 yr period of tribulation. It sounds like that's what you're referring to.
And, yes satan Is behind all the conflict.
But you're saying that satan is in chains being held by Michael the archangel at this present time? The only time that satan Will be held in chains / the abyss / is for the future 1,000 yr reign of Christ on earth.
Since you know that the Bible Does indicate some things -- then let the Bible stand.
The Anti-Christ will present himself at the mid-point of the 7 yr tribulation period. At the 3 1/2 yr Great tribulation time.
Those 1,000 yrs. of Jesus reign will be with satan bound and not able to influence anyone. It will be a time of unprecedented Peace on earth-- Jesus Christ will be The righteous judge.
Where do you get the information about a 1,000 boot camp type of life to retrain people who were deceived by the AntiChrist? I've never come across that in Scripture. Just curious.
The Rev. 9:6 passage is talking about when the 5th angel sounds and smoke locusts are coming up out of the ground and sting like scorpians and can only torment people who do Not have the seal of God and that lasts for 5 months.
But that's not in place of the 7 yr period of tribulation. It sounds like that's what you're referring to.
And, yes satan Is behind all the conflict.
But you're saying that satan is in chains being held by Michael the archangel at this present time? The only time that satan Will be held in chains / the abyss / is for the future 1,000 yr reign of Christ on earth.
Since you know that the Bible Does indicate some things -- then let the Bible stand.
The Anti-Christ will present himself at the mid-point of the 7 yr tribulation period. At the 3 1/2 yr Great tribulation time.
Those 1,000 yrs. of Jesus reign will be with satan bound and not able to influence anyone. It will be a time of unprecedented Peace on earth-- Jesus Christ will be The righteous judge.
Where do you get the information about a 1,000 boot camp type of life to retrain people who were deceived by the AntiChrist? I've never come across that in Scripture. Just curious.
I'd like to know where you find Satan held in Chains by Michael. Daniel 10, 12 Jude, Hebrews? I'm not sue about that.
How can one man make peace upon the 'whole earth' and then man expect everyone on earth bow down and worship him? The only way that could happen is through a Hitler style overthrow of the planet and that's not going to happen. The ISLAMIC man of sin is going to unite portions of the Arab - Islamic world, which is a mess these days, NOT the entire planet. 7 heads and 10 horns are NOT global.
There is a 'Muslim jesus' coming but he is not the false christ/anti-christ. The Mahdi and/or his Islamic false prophet who's likely a high powered Islamic cleric, will be these 'men of sin' - anti-Christ(s). One does NOT have to come in the literal name of Christ to be the anti-Christ - 'anointed one'.
Jesus said, "Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many."
Saying I am Christ is to say, "I am the anointed one." That person is the Mahdi and he will come in Islam, he will NOT deceive everyone on the entire planet. Muslim's are awaiting his soon return just as Christians are awaiting the return of Jesus.
A person doesn't have to come in the literal name of Christ to be a false christ, just as one need not come in the literal name of God to be a false God. The world still produces 'false christ,' that never call themselves 'christ'. That misunderstanding alone is quite serious because it causes people to expect someone to come in the last days claiming to be Christ. The Muslim jesus will, but he's a relatively powerless figure that comes in Islam and is subordinate to the Mahdi. His mission is to help the Mahdi convert Christians to Islam.
People need to realize that...
Islam is a counterfeit religion very similar to Christianity. It has a false god named Allah, a false prophet named Muhammad, a false book named the Koran and the hadiths, a false prophetic scenario very similar to Christianity's which is a false, self-fulfilling, “demonic inspired prophetic scenario,” with a false returning messiah named the Mahdi, and a false returning christ called, “the Muslim Jesus,” who is said to be the Mahdi's subordinate. Not to mention the Islamic 'dajjal' who is the Islamic anti-christ. AND to think, ISIS believes jesus will return to help them defeat the dajjal/anti-christ!
The anti-Christ does steal, kill, and destroy in the last days. Appolyon and Abaddon mean DESTRUCTION. I repeat! The anti-Christ/Mahdi does NOT come in the literal name of Christ. The Mahdi is Islam's anointed one! The word Mahdi means 'divine guidance'. He will NOT fool Christians, he will fool Muslim's. Christians within his Mid-East Empire/kingdom (NOT worldwide) - those within his 7/10 alliance of kings and/or nations in the Mid-East, and Christians and 'infidels' within Muslim's dominated countries that have accepted the Mahdi as their messiah, are subject to his evils. The anti-Christ kingdom is NOT worldwide! Bottom line is he will fool Muslim's, NOT Christians!
The anti-Christ is called "the anti-Christ in" 1 John2:18, and personal pronouns are often used to describe him, he is the Mahdi, the Islamic messiah, a demon possessed human being.
Muslim's will be fooled because they believe he's their anointed one - their messiah - their guided one.
That's right and that proves that one does NOT have to come in the literal name of Christ to be a false christ/anointed one.
I'm not sure what you're saying but...
Anyone who worships the beast and does not repent and get OUT of Islam is doomed. After the elect is removed at the end of tribulation, the sheep and goats judgment determines who enters the 1,000 years.
It's only a doomed and fatal sentence IF one does not get out of Islam. Everyone who continues the follow the Mahdi/beast and his Islamic false prophet are doomed. Those who get out - get a second chance IF they accept the terms and conditions imposed by Christ going into the 1,000 years.
I disagree with that. Nobody who worships the Mahdi and doesn't get out of Islam gets a second chance. Only those who get out of Islam, or those non-Muslim unbelievers who missed the gathering DO get a second chance via the sheep and goats judgment.
A whole lot of things occur at the seventh trumpet.
Where was John taken to see the judgment of the great harlot? The WILDERNESS - better translated the desert! Mecca and Medina reside in the desert, NOT Rome and the Pope!
Then tell us what you think it means to 'burn the harlot with fire'!
