Any pub goers?

[FearNoEvil]

After a long week at work, I like to go to the pub and see my friends, however there is a fine line and on some occasions I have done some very stupid things under the influence of alcohol, however I find going to the pub is the only release from stress I can regularly find also it is the only time I get to socialise with my friends etc.

What are your experiences, and thoughts on this.

thanks

 

[peeps]

hi there FearNoEvil thats a toppic i havent seen on TJ yet I think it has alot to do with traditional behaviour too . . .in Germany alot of ppl go to the pubs Friday night . . .for stupid or no stupid reason that seems the only place where they feel understood, caught in stressrelease and relaxing before going nuts from the everyday routine. . .

Especially young man your age and being single (as i peaked at your profile) look for entertainment and same age relationships this way. . .

I dont know, what your reason is and why you are going . . .but in my eyes it seems very normal to do these things in that age. . .the sad part is:
you have done some very stupid things under the influence of alcohol . ..and I dont agree with that being ok or being an excuse to damage yourself or other ppl, may it be body, mind, soul or heart. . .

you should learn and quit this before you get in serious danger

my life doesnt relate to yours very much so i cant give you advice really. . .just wanted to respond cause my heart goes out to you

may our heavenly Father start filling your need of fellowship in an awesome and Holy way, that you wont have the desire to drink and misbehave so much anymore

God bless you young man

 

[Yeshua]

Try this...

Try this fellow christian, to relieve yourself from stress:

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matthew 11:28

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. Luke 1:15

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Eph.5:18

After a long week at work, I like to go to the pub and see my friends, however there is a fine line and on some occasions I have done some very stupid things under the influence of alcohol, however I find going to the pub is the only release from stress I can regularly find also it is the only time I get to socialise with my friends etc.
What are your experiences, and thoughts on this.
thanks

 

[sunshine307]

As a Christian I do not think it is wise going to the pub. The Holy Spirit is within you, do you think it is a place where He wants to be.
Proverbs 20:1 "Wine is a mocker,
Strong drink is a brawler,
And whoever is led astray by it is not wise."

 

[Chad]

I stopped going to any place such as bars, pubs, clubs, etc. that is simply secular: alcohol, drugs (raves), sexual immorality (clubs), etc.

Its not where the Holy Spirit will dwell and certainly you shouldn't either. You already made it clear you did stupid things and that is a sign that its not the place to be, one of several other obvious reasons I mentioned and others mentioned quoting Scripture.

Brother, its time to mature in the Lord and let Him guide you to better places, better freinds (godly ones), better environment to help you grow and build you up, edify you in the Lord.

 

[FearNoEvil]

Thanks for the response, just to clarify the 'stupid things' don't occur every week, but they were because of too much beer for sure.

Being single is hard because society here is geared that way, 'go and see your friends in the pub at the weekend' the alternative is to stay home alone and wait for another week of work to come!

Though I have started to learn, PC course, home studying spanish, open university history course starts in February, I hope the lord will keep me disciplined enough to succeed.

Also, I just read about the dead sea Isaiah scroll, how amazing! (how late am I!)

 

[Yeshua]

Than it is time..

Than it is time that perhaps you start the first Church Singles for Christ group at your local church.

God may be calling you through your stress to seek a more perfect way of LOVE in faith.

You have a special opportunity here to fill the need of a calling for discipleship.

Thanks for the response, just to clarify the 'stupid things' don't occur every week, but they were because of too much beer for sure.
Being single is hard because society here is geared that way, 'go and see your friends in the pub at the weekend' the alternative is to stay home alone and wait for another week of work to come!
Though I have started to learn, PC course, home studying spanish, open university history course starts in February, I hope the lord will keep me disciplined enough to succeed.
Also, I just read about the dead sea Isaiah scroll, how amazing! (how late am I!)

 

[SpiritLedEd]

After a long week at work, I like to go to the pub and see my friends, however there is a fine line and on some occasions I have done some very stupid things under the influence of alcohol, however I find going to the pub is the only release from stress I can regularly find also it is the only time I get to socialise with my friends etc.

What are your experiences, and thoughts on this.

thanks

As a recovering alcoholic and a member of AA, let me say that your problem seems to center on often not being able to leave the pub and stop drinking before you are drunk. I suggest that you attend a few meetings of Alcoholics Anonymous and listen to the stories of people in recovery. You may be an alcoholic.

For many years, I went to the pub (we call them "bars" in the USA) on a nightly basis, fully intending to just relax and have a few beers. I almost always went home drunk, an embarrassment to myself and my family. I've been sober 22 years thanks to The Lord and AA.

By the way, Alcoholics Anonymous has a website -alcoholicsanonymous.org. Check it out. Also, many alcoholics are not daily drinkers. For some, it is days or weeks between drinks, but they still get drunk when they introduce alcohol into their bodies.

E-mail me if I can be of help.

SLE

 

[Kodak]

Hi,

I dont see why you still cannot go down to the pub with your mates. Just because they are having a drink does not mean that you have to. You may want to show your freinds that there is more to life than getting bladderd on a saturday night.
At this years christmas party i chose not to and i had a great time. And the best news is that i did not wake up feeling ill.

God bless

 

[Adrenalyze]

This doesn't look good for me then - I'm a barman in a pub which is known for it's tolerance to 'light' drug use. I've never used them and the punters know not to offer them to me. But it goes on a lot.

 

[love to love]

it depends if you are standing on the rock that is jesus christ.maybe you could be a mirror to reflect the light in that dark place.we must never be affraid of going into the devils territory to win souls for christ.but we must go with the full armour of god on.

 

[Sleepy]

Culture

I find that pubs are part of our culture. As a brit I enjoy a social drink with friends both christian and non-christian, we wind down and share a laugh and joke together at the end of a long hard week. It's cold here after all and there are very few places to go so we huddle in the nearest watering holes or restaurants. We do need to maintain control of ourselves and not overdo it though. We all know there is a big difference between a social drink and a mission to get drunk. Also, the types of pubs we enter may need thought if we struggle from a lack of self control. Otherwise a pub can be a friendly, happy meeting place where all have the same agenda to enjoy the congregation of others and relax with friends.:icon_rolleyes:

 

[Dora]

Hey Kodak, like your reasoning, no Bible quotes just your opinion, afterall we have a choice. MY theory is to drink alcohol if one wishes but like all things do it wisely. Phil.

 

[Chad]

Hey Kodak, like your reasoning, no Bible quotes just your opinion, afterall we have a choice. MY theory is to drink alcohol if one wishes but like all things do it wisely. Phil.

GOD's Living Word (Scripture) is wiser than any man. Follow His steps instead of "opinions" and you will grow in Christ. What do you gain after all from opinions about how to live life after all? Our Creator is our Foundation, our Rock that we should live on and He is the Author of Life. His Book of Life (Bible) is what we should go by, not opinions.

 

[Dora]

Sleepy, I would lift a glass with you at any elbow grease establishment known as the LOCAL or to put it in the venacular [THE THROAT HOSPITAL], an extra cold pint would taste good in your sensible company. Do you play darts or dominoes by the way. I do. Great company. Phil.

 

[Dora]

L2L, DEAR FRIEND, you say devils territory, what was one of the miracles performed at CANA in Galille. Who was accused of being a wine bibber and one who associated with people of low repute. In my pub although there are not many who are scripturally inclined are still good people. All i am saying friend is not to generalise about people. Your Pal Phil.

 

[Chad]

Scripture makes it clear:

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker,Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

Proverbs 23:31
Do not look on the wine when it is red, When it sparkles in the cup, When it swirls around smoothly

Proverbs 21:17
He who loves pleasure will be a poor man; He who loves wine and oil will not be rich.

Ephesians 5:18
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

1 Timothy 3:2-4
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence

Titus 1:7
For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money

Smith's Bible Dictionary:

in the early Christian Church it was usual to mix the sacramental wine with water. (The simple wines of antiquity were incomparably less deadly than the stupefying and ardent beverages of our western nations. The wines of antiquity were more like sirups; many of them were not intoxicant; many more intoxicant in a small degree; and all of them, as a rule, taken only when largely diluted with water. They contained, even undiluted, but or percent of alcohol.--Cannon Farrar.)

Easton's Bible Dictionary:

Our Lord miraculously supplied wine at the marriage feast in Cana of Galilee (John 2:1-11). The Rechabites were forbidden the use of wine (Jer. 35). The Nazarites also were to abstain from its use during the period of their vow (Num. 6:1-4); and those who were dedicated as Nazarites from their birth were perpetually to abstain from it (Judg. 13:4, 5; Luke 1:15; 7:33). The priests, too, were forbidden the use of wine and strong drink when engaged in their sacred functions (Lev. 10:1, 9-11). "Wine is little used now in the East, from the fact that Mohammedans are not allowed to taste it, and very few of other creeds touch it. When it is drunk, water is generally mixed with it, and this was the custom in the days of Christ also.

The people indeed are everywhere very sober in hot climates; a drunken person, in fact, is never seen", (Geikie's Life of Christ). The sin of drunkenness, however, must have been not uncommon in the olden times, for it is mentioned either metaphorically or literally more than seventy times in the Bible.

A drink-offering of wine was presented with the daily sacrifice (Ex. 29:40, 41), and also with the offering of the first-fruits (Lev. 23:13), and with various other sacrifices (Num. 15:5, 7, 10). Wine was used at the celebration of the Passover. And when the Lord's Supper was instituted, the wine and the unleavened bread then on the paschal table were by our Lord set apart as memorials of his body and blood.


Several emphatic warnings are given in the New Testament against excess in the use of wine (Luke 21:34; Rom. 13:13; Eph. 5:18; 1 Tim. 3:8; Titus 1:7).

Matthew Henry's Commentary
The Miracle at Cana

The beginning of Christ's miracles was turning water into wine; which may remind us of the difference between the law of Moses and the gospel of Christ. He showed that he improves creature-comforts to all true believers, and make them comforts indeed. And Christ's works are all for use. Has he turned thy water into wine, given thee knowledge and grace?

It is to profit withal; therefore draw out now, and use it. It was the best wine. Christ's works commend themselves even to those who know not their Author. What was produced by miracles, always was the best in its kind. Though Christ hereby allows a right use of wine, he does not in the least do away his own caution, which is, that our hearts be not at any time overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness, Lu 21:34.

Though we need not scruple to feast with our friends on proper occasions, yet every social interview should be so conducted, that we might invite the Redeemer to join with us, if he were now on earth; and all levity, luxury, and excess offend him. (Jn 2:12-22)

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Scripture makes it clear:

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker,Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

Proverbs 23:31
Do not look on the wine when it is red, When it sparkles in the cup, When it swirls around smoothly

Proverbs 21:17
He who loves pleasure will be a poor man; He who loves wine and oil will not be rich.

Ephesians 5:18
And do not be drunk with wine, in which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit,

1 Timothy 3:2-4
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence

Titus 1:7
For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money

Smith's Bible Dictionary:

in the early Christian Church it was usual to mix the sacramental wine with water. (The simple wines of antiquity were incomparably less deadly than the stupefying and ardent beverages of our western nations. The wines of antiquity were more like sirups; many of them were not intoxicant; many more intoxicant in a small degree; and all of them, as a rule, taken only when largely diluted with water. They contained, even undiluted, but or percent of alcohol.--Cannon Farrar.)

Easton's Bible Dictionary:

Our Lord miraculously supplied wine at the marriage feast in Cana of Galilee (John 2:1-11). The Rechabites were forbidden the use of wine (Jer. 35). The Nazarites also were to abstain from its use during the period of their vow (Num. 6:1-4); and those who were dedicated as Nazarites from their birth were perpetually to abstain from it (Judg. 13:4, 5; Luke 1:15; 7:33). The priests, too, were forbidden the use of wine and strong drink when engaged in their sacred functions (Lev. 10:1, 9-11). "Wine is little used now in the East, from the fact that Mohammedans are not allowed to taste it, and very few of other creeds touch it. When it is drunk, water is generally mixed with it, and this was the custom in the days of Christ also.

The people indeed are everywhere very sober in hot climates; a drunken person, in fact, is never seen", (Geikie's Life of Christ). The sin of drunkenness, however, must have been not uncommon in the olden times, for it is mentioned either metaphorically or literally more than seventy times in the Bible.

A drink-offering of wine was presented with the daily sacrifice (Ex. 29:40, 41), and also with the offering of the first-fruits (Lev. 23:13), and with various other sacrifices (Num. 15:5, 7, 10). Wine was used at the celebration of the Passover. And when the Lord's Supper was instituted, the wine and the unleavened bread then on the paschal table were by our Lord set apart as memorials of his body and blood.


Several emphatic warnings are given in the New Testament against excess in the use of wine (Luke 21:34; Rom. 13:13; Eph. 5:18; 1 Tim. 3:8; Titus 1:7).

Matthew Henry's Commentary
The Miracle at Cana

The beginning of Christ's miracles was turning water into wine; which may remind us of the difference between the law of Moses and the gospel of Christ. He showed that he improves creature-comforts to all true believers, and make them comforts indeed. And Christ's works are all for use. Has he turned thy water into wine, given thee knowledge and grace?

It is to profit withal; therefore draw out now, and use it. It was the best wine. Christ's works commend themselves even to those who know not their Author. What was produced by miracles, always was the best in its kind. Though Christ hereby allows a right use of wine, he does not in the least do away his own caution, which is, that our hearts be not at any time overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness, Lu 21:34.

Though we need not scruple to feast with our friends on proper occasions, yet every social interview should be so conducted, that we might invite the Redeemer to join with us, if he were now on earth; and all levity, luxury, and excess offend him. (Jn 2:12-22)

Scripture does not say that any consumption of "wine" is wrong. In 1 Tim 5:23 Paul tells Timothy to take a little wine to settle his stomach.

Just as the LOVE of money is the root of many evils (1 Tim 6:10), so also the LOVE of wine is the root of many evils. It is excessive use that is wrong.

Keep in mind that C. S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien met regularly at an Oxford pub for relaxation and discussion at the end of the workday. Can anyone accuse them of being drunkards?

 

[Ettu315]

I like what PEEPS said about this activity. I personally do not do these things after trying to be part of the crowd years ago. The lesons which I learned was that I am not smart enough as it is and that after putting beer into my mouth I became very stupid. So I figure that if I realy wish to make an impression on perspective ladies whom may wish to be married then I should be putting my best foot forward. Did you know that if you go to a PUB and drink only a soft drink and stay till midnight that you will be the only man who is sober and all the girls think you are the smartest? But by the same virtue you may go to church and find a more lasting friendship and better practices to advance your self estem and be thought of more favorabily than the local PUB. You have heard many men in your country say"If I knew then what I know now then I'd be a rich man today", well heres your chance. Stay out of the bars cause it's fun for a while but turns mean all of a sudden.May God bless you.

 

[Tonyb]

Hi Kodak,
It does not really work that way does it? You cannot keep going to a pub with a group of unbelievers and watch them getting drunk and have a good time yourself. If you are truly a born again Christian the Life of Christ within you is not going to enjoy being in a atmosphere where people have no regard for Jesus or what is good, righteous or holy. In Hebrews speaking of Jesus it says He loved righteous and hated iniquity.

As a Brit I can say that much of the binge drinking culture of our young people is an utter disgrace and in the eyes of some they will be seen as the scum of Europe. And from a none believers view it is hardly surprising when they see the terrible things these young people do.

If you want to make an impact on your drinking friends you need to drink yourself and drink deeply of the Holy Spirit then they will have a true comparison between a godly and ungodly lifestyle and then they will see what a empty futile life they are really living.

Tonyb