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Any pub goers?

SpiritLedEd said:
Scripture does not say that any consumption of "wine" is wrong. In 1 Tim 5:23 Paul tells Timothy to take a little wine to settle his stomach.

Just as the LOVE of money is the root of many evils (1 Tim 6:10), so also the LOVE of wine is the root of many evils. It is excessive use that is wrong.

Keep in mind that C. S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien met regularly at an Oxford pub for relaxation and discussion at the end of the workday. Can anyone accuse them of being drunkards?


Understood. I don't recall saying Scripture forbid drinking wine. The last portion in blue/bold verifies that. I drink wine myself with dinner every now and then. However, I humbly and honestly hate bars, pubs or any place where its loud and rowdy. Remember, I live in New York. That our "culture" (the secular people that is).
 
I find this thread interesting for a number of reasons,
No Australians have posted, the yobo culture of beer swilling Cretans remains silent on this issue. As one I have to say that I do like to go to the pub occasionally, if I am going with friends.

It is part of the culture of the society I am part of, going down to the local for a beer (or similar) is the most normal thing you can do as a bloke to spend time with another bloke. If you won't (or can't do this - and I think that if you have real problems with alcoholism etc.. can't might be the right word) then relationships which are vital for evangelism are not built.

I am wondering why there is so much opposition to places like pubs within the Christian community, sure drunkenness is a sin and is a real problem yet there are so many people that you just can't take to any church event that will sit and talk about God over a beer. I have had great opportunities to spend time with friends in pubs.

Night clubs (something that is newer here) are another story after all if the music is so loud you can talk fellowship is hard work, and you the hedge for your eyes in such places needs to be the size of a healthy forest.

sinners and prostitutes and publicans, Jesus ministered to these. I haven't seen any at the Sunday meeting but you run into them at the bar, just don't go alone take someone to watch your back, after all it is a battle ground and the isolated solider is cut off and cut down. Take in a whole squad and plenty of prayer support well you never know we might get some converts to Christianity that are not your typical middle class 'normal' Christians.

Grace
Theo
 
Hi
I just want to clear a few things up here,

I was mearly trying to suggest that you can have plenty of fun without having to drink alcohol.
My freinds at work know that I choose not to drink alcohol, and respect my feelings towards the subject.
Choosing not to drink does not mean that I am not going to socialise with colegues out of work. (the christmas doo is one of the very few times in the year when I venture into a pub or cafe bar)
 
Chris Folsolm is a Christian Music Artist , who does all his out-reaches in the Pubs in Austrailia . I personally do not go into pubs , but it is because of my weakness and not the Lords . God will not test us beyond what we can bear , but it takes wisdom to understand our own boundries . Chris can evangelize in pubs . I would probably fall away . Praise God for all his workers . Mike
 
its the sort of subject where people will have different views on.

Personally I agree that the scriptures mentioned are valid and that we should watch what we do and where we go as these places are not glorifying to God. I used to go to clubs and bars every weekend and found it created a barrier in my relationship with God personally and I never felt better for doing it.

There is nothing wrong in itself in going to a pub or bar but we need to consider going with the full armour of God. I have never drunk and have always found that even if my friends respect that you dont drink they will try and try all the time to get you to drink and so now believe it is better not to put myself in that place and now only go if there is no alternative. Jesus told us to pray for us not to be led into temptation.

I am not trying to judge any view mentioned, just remember though that Satan is the father of all lies and would want to decieve the flock so seek the word of God if you need guidance in this area.

God bless you:icon_cheesygrin: .
 
Be not drunk with wine, but with the Spirit

You brought up a great subject and the other posts have been very good, especially in quoting relevant scripture. :thumbs_up: So beyond all that I'd just like to point out that one strategy I adopted as a new Christian was to still go to where my friends hung out in bars, and even some clubs (because although the music is loud, eventually the band takes a break, or goes home, and I'm a patient person) and skip the booze. If you really enjoy their music, as I do, it is entertainment enough - and alcohol isn't needed. I would normally choose soda water or orange juice or some other beverage, and frankly with a lime twist, or a cherry, anybody who doesn't know you - can't tell the difference. (I used to order Coke until Coconut told me about sugar! heh) It's a smart strategy because first of all, when you try to witness and people know you're drinking (your friends heard you order Orange Juice, so, they know you aren't) you look like a moron, pretty much most of the time, in my humble opinion. I think if you're honest with yourself, you'll know it's a real bad example, especially in the more sleazy bars in the world. And secondly, being drunk doesn't allow the Holy Spirit to dwell in you, and gives you lousy judgement, especially in terms of sin as a single man. :unlove: I think you catch my drift. You sin more when you're drunk, I assure you, on the score of the opposite sex. Lastly, and this is the real point, I think - when you stay sober and watch people do the stupid things you did, too, when you were drunk - it gets pretty freakin' boring. :thumbs_do: So I think that might cure you of the habit if you try it a few times - in fact, here's a hint - do it on New Year's Eve this year. Stay sober and watch everybody. :love: It's rather a hoot, but it will hopefully make you not want to look so silly.
:love: Now here's where I'm really going to get serious, because if you really want to be entertained, genuinely want more fun in your life - invest in your own home or apartment. Make your home more fun than any place you'd ever want to go elsewhere, with the money you'll save by not going into bars. :thumbs_up: Buy a big screen TV and the best beer and hors d'oeurves, and invite your friends over. It makes a much better witness, you've control over the environment - personally I think most Christians figure this out, especially quickly, if they get married. Bars simply aren't necessary, even in "bar cultures" - you can do entertaining elsewhere. :love: You single guys are spinning your wheels in those pubs, wasting your time, if you spend hours doing that - but that's my humble opinion - and if you really enjoy it THAT much, I have to ask myself why other alternatives aren't appealing. *shrug* :love: Maybe some people like in the show "Cheers" are happy just sitting on a bar stool, ingesting c2h4OH - a known poison - and a real chemical battering to the human body, numbing the spirit in you. And more pointedly, it seems rather dull considering the other options God offers you with your time. But I don't think it's "morally wrong" or some other deep religious issue. It's definitely "One of the Seven Deadly Sins", though, brother. I think it really means you are dead to the Holy Spirit in that state - and that would make a good thread all by itself, I think? God bless you, and keep you safe this New Year! In the Love of Christ :love: - CaliFlower :rose:
 
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"Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation" (Mark. 16:15.)

Before I became a Christian I used to enjoy a social drink with my friends and a game of pool etc. I did not go to the pub necessarily for the drink but just to be with my friends. After I was saved I shared with my friends what The Lord had done in my life and I did not go into a pub for over three years.

One evening between Christmas and New Year I was driving home and was passing a pub which I had never been in and was truly prompted to stop my car and go into this pub. For a while I sat in my car and really pondered before the Lord whether I was doing right or wrong. Whilst I was seeking God a word came into my head, “Go back into Egypt and tell Pharaoh to set my people free.” I knew the meaning of the word.

I entered the pub and there was one solitary young man aged 18 standing at the bar, apart from one barman no one else was in the bar. There was a comedy programme on the TV (don’t know if you know it in the US - ‘Only Fools and Horses’ and this medium was an opening for me to speak to this young man who was a little under the influence. It transpired he came from the same town as me (some 50 miles away). His name was Andrew . I asked him why he was not at home for the festive season. He told me he was a student at the local College and had come back to the College residence because he could not stay at his home town.

He told me, tearfully, that he had been reared by his grandmother. He had been born out of wedlock and was unwanted and unloved by his mother.. That Christmas afternoon he had been at his grandmothers bedside as she died. He explained to me (and kept telling me I would not understand) she was a Christian - again insisting I would not understand - she was a happy Christian - always praising God - she would dance and be glad all the time.
He told me that as she died, she held his hands and said words to this affect, “Andrew, I have dearly loved you and prayed for you every day of your life. Now I am going to be with the Jesus I have loved and served. I pray now that He will send to you someone that loves Him like I do so that you too may know my Jesus .”

About 30 minutes later, Andrew and I went outside the pub and got on our knees before The Lord. Andrew surrendered his life to Jesus that very night. He confessed his sins and his need to repent and recieve to and follow The Saviour. I remained with him and we prayed together thoughout the night until about 6am the next morning as he experienced the infulling of the Holy Spirit and his new birth.

The next Sunday I introduced him to the local Baptist Church (not my own Church) and he was baptised a few months later and is now being wonderfully used by God to bring others to the knowledge of Jesus.

Since that day I have regularly frequented pubs and sat with those who heading for a lost eternity and shared with them the Word, the love , the mercy, the compassion, the healing, the deliverance and the life changing power of Jesus. I have lost count of the number who, as a result of by obedience to God by ‘going back into Egypt and telling Pharaoh to set people free” have received Full Salvation in Christ Jesus.
 
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Brother Dunked that was an excellent testimony about Andrew! I think we should not be in a drinking specific environment such as bars/pubs but at the same time, GOD may do as He did here with you and Andrew. This is a specific exclusive case where GOD purposely puts it on a person's heart to go to a certain place to reach the lost.

Great read, thank you!
 
Dunked in fire, I am in tears. It's been awhile since I've been so touched by a testimony. Awesome: I'm so glad you were listening to God and went in and ministered to Andrew. God bless you in your ministry to pub-goers.

Not many can do this ministry. You most definitely have a special calling, brother.
 
Thank you very much for sharing this good news here with us. It is a real blessing to reach the lost and in a time when he had just lost a dear relative too.

So glad to hear he is doing well now too.

God bless :love: :rainbow: :rose:
 
This is a wonderful testimony, I too teared up. God Bless you for listening to God and obeying His direction.

As for the attending bars/clubs and drinking in pubs, For me personally I have to avoid such places as I know my weaknesses, I believe I am strong in the Lord, but I just won't put myself in temptation, where I could stumble, and be a bad witness for the Lord.

It's not just the alcohol thing, it's everything that goes along with going to some of these places, :lightbulb (I say some, because I know in Europe, there are the quaint country type pubs that are delightful) but I am talking in general there is quite often, foul language flying through the air, dirty jokes, guys and gals lusting for one another, fights breaking out because of drunkeness, etc. I mean some of these places are rough.

:shade: Calluna
 
Wow! What a powerful testimony. Thanks for sharing it, DIF. I encourage everyone who reads this post to offer themselves to God for service as you have.

I've had a couple of similar (not identical, but similar) experiences in my Christian walk and I can tell you all that there is no joy like the joy that rises up in me when I recall those incidents, knowing that God honored me by allowing me to be a channel of his grace.

SLE
 
WOW Drunked! That is an amazing testimony! That is such a wonderful way to minister to people! May the Lord bless you greatly for your obedience.

About this whole thread about going to pubs....

Well...personally, I don't go to pubs and I never have. I'm not too sure what the atmosphere may be like in there, but I know for sure there is drinking. I think that it is important that when you go to a pub you control your drinking and you are sure that you will not be influenced by the atmosphere you are in.
 
Wow, that was an awesome testimony Drunked!

About the drinking subject, I think everyone has already given great verses.
Also, if you have to debate about the subject so much that should tell you something. Wine was a lot different back then, more watered down.
Truthfully I don't think it's wrong to drink a glass of wine with dinner but so many people have trouble with stopping before getting drunk. Do you want to give the devil a foothold?
 
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After a long week at work, I like to go to the pub and see my friends, however there is a fine line and on some occasions I have done some very stupid things under the influence of alcohol, however I find going to the pub is the only release from stress I can regularly find also it is the only time I get to socialise with my friends etc.

What are your experiences, and thoughts on this.

thanks

When I was in my late teens, early 20s I was on fire for Jesus. My greatest desire was to lead folks to Jesus. I used to stand, (Saturday evenings) on the pavement waiting for the folks to be 'turned out' of the pub. at 11p.m. I had some unique experiences and visited folks in their homes.

I would recall my experiences to the church the following morning, Sunday a.m. Where did you say you had been? Was often the question. That man has to be held down by 4 policemen when he gets brawling in the street at 'turning out time' I had been in homes having a piece of cake and a coffee, and talking about the Lord

At that time it was anathema for Christians to enter such "worldly places" We used to wait on the pavement (sidewalk) for the folks to make an exit.

How different today. What were pubs in the old sense, now cleaned up, warm and well furnished, and serving customers with lovely food at a reasonable price. The "worldly place" image has gone.

Occasionally I visit and take Sunday lunch along with my wife. Roast beef and Yorkshire pudding. MmMm Being in Yorkshire they know how to make it, just so.
 
Walking a very fine line

Hi

I work in the School System, and the people I work with like to go to the bar after work on a Friday. Now personally, I was never able to do this because of having children at home, and also do not enjoy this kind of environment.

I think that you have to gurard your heart and watch how you approach this kind of socialization with your peers. If you could go there say just for a half hour and have a quick soft drink and then leave, more power to you. But personally I would try to not put yourself into temptation as it were.


God Bless

Servant
 
Hrm...newbie puts on asbestos suit and replies...

Wow....

I'm really hesitant to contradict Chad but I'm not sure I agree that you should simply 1) avoid drinking alcohol altogether or 2) avoid going to pubs. That's a really simple solution, and if your faith is not yet ready to be tested in the presence of temptation, then by all means, avoid them. I personally think the goal is to be able to make moderate and responsible choices regardless of the circumstances of your surroundings.

I think you need to shift your focus from the place and the props of where you choose to relax to your own conviction to maintain Christian behavior in all places and around all things.

I don't know about how things work where you are but here there are "pubs" where I'd feel comfortable meeting a minister and having lunch...and then there are "clubs" where I'd be ashamed to be seen even *before* I was Christian. Between those two extremes are a host of variations. Perhaps you should consider the quality of the pubs you are going to..and the friends you are going with?

There is no actual prohibition to drinking alcohol in the Bible. Jesus made His opinion rather clear when He turned water into wine. Obviously alcoholic drink, in and of itself, is not an evil thing, or He would have had nothing to do with it.

I do agree fully with what Chat said about maturity. So it's all about you: The wine cannot be blamed for your *choice* to get drunk and act badly anymore than a knife can be blamed for someone's *choice* to use it to commit murder. Wine isn't a temptation...it's a drink. The temptation is the Devil whispering in your ear how much more "fun" you'd have if you drank 5 beers instead of 1 beer when you *know* that you start losing the ability to make clear-headed decisions after 2 or 3 (for example).

Just as you had to *choose* to be Christian by accepting Jesus, you have *choose* to behave in a Christian way. There are ample passages that explain how man is responsible for his behavior, booze aside. Nowhere is it written "thou shalt not kill, steal, lie, commit adultery, etc...unless thou art drunk and then it's OK."

As far as going to the "darker" clubs and such is concerned...Jesus spent the majority of His time on Earth in disreputable places talking with disreputable people. *HE* was there specifically to bring those people closer to God.

Why are *you* there?
 
Great points made sister. I drink maybe once a week, but not at pubs or bars. Now, once in a blue moon I may go to a nice classy lounge which obviously has a bar inside. The last time I went to an actual regular bar, I felt completely out of place and lost. But, that is me.

I know some people have weakness with drinking while others don't care to drink and then others like me will enjoy a glass of wine with a nice dinner out in a restuarant. Its all a matter of the will without it being a stumbling block to self and others you fellowship with.

Romans 14:21
It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak.
 
When I first moved to London, I worked in a place that socialised a lot outside of working hours. Inevitably this would be in bars and clubs where huge amounts of alcohol, hard and soft drugs were used.

At first I was very hesitant about joining in but as I had few other friends in the city I started to go along too. I saw things that I would not want to describe in a forum like this. Everybody in the group knew that I was a Christian and what I stood for. I built up some very strong friendships, that would have been impossible if I had stayed away from the group.

Most people there had some experience of the church and - though they did not believe, or had rejected Christ - were supportive of my faith and respected me for it.

This is not to say that I never gave in to temptation or never made a fool of myself. I did, and on more than one occasion. But that did not matter as much as I thought it would. For one thing, these people worked with me every week day, so they already knew that I was a long way from perfect. There were not illusions to be shattered.

And more importantly, they knew what I stood for and could see that despite my mistakes, the direction of my life and my values were substantially different from theirs.

It was also good that some of my Christian friends also came along and joined the group. That certainly helped to keep me on track.

My life situation has changed a lot since then, and I no longer spend my Friday nights in clubs and gay bars. But in hindsight, that period was perhaps the time when I was the strongest witness to Jesus Christ.

I would encourage others to spend time with friends who appear to be a long way from Christ. Even if that means going into territory that feels uncomfortable.
 
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