Are christians justified by faith only?

[lentz]

If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. Thy blood be upon thine own head, vain man. I am clean.

At the risk of being reprimanded by the mods,i have to say,lady you're nuts.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Then you are living by law not faith

Well son....You'd better live by some kind of law....I call my law SELF DISCIPLINE....If you don't live by at least that you'll never get anywhere in this life. You'll never get anything done, your life will be chaos....In truth son.....you talk foolishness

 

[lentz]

Well son....You'd better live by some kind of law....I call my law SELF DISCIPLINE....If you don't live by at least that you'll never get anywhere in this life. You'll never get anything done, your life will be chaos....In truth son.....you talk foolishness

Thanks daddy

 

[lentz]

Well son....You'd better live by some kind of law....I call my law SELF DISCIPLINE....If you don't live by at least that you'll never get anywhere in this life. You'll never get anything done, your life will be chaos....In truth son.....you talk foolishness

Im sorry. I am covicted over that outburst....Thanks daddy.
Please forgive me. I have been attacked for everything i post. If people dont agree with my thoughts and beliefs thats fine. But one person has condemned me to hell twice over this thread. I think think this thread.
Anyway all i am saying is....you can not add law to salvation.
Yes there must be laws or rules to go by, but to say i must say 3 hail Marys or clap my hands 3 times while spinning in a circle to be saved is adding to Christ work on the cross and saying he wasnt good enough,we must add this also to be saved.
I see why folk cant understand this.
But anyway brother i am trully sorry.

 

[lentz]

Say you are sick and the doctor gives you pills to take for a week.
But then you also go into the kitchen and make up your own tonic to take with it. You revisit the doctor and tell him youre cured. But you also tell him you also took your tonic with the pills.
You have corupted everything. Now you dont know if it was the pills the tonic or both combined together that cured you.
Same with salvation. If you add anything to "by grace through faith" you are not sure which you are relying on to see you through.


Borrowed from J. Vernon McGee

 

[KingJ]

Anyone can have works without faith, but it is impossible for anyone to have faith without works.

I would qualify the 'faith'. Christian faith, faith that a man who walked the earth 2000 years ago is Lord of all as in Isa 9:6 and 1 Cor 12:3. Yes, agreed!!!

But faith that God exists, that God is great and can do miracles, no. James 7:22-23 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

 

[KingJ]

The only works faith produces is the fruit of the Spirit. The feeding the poor and helping and being kind and compassion is a product of that.
Jesus said the works of the Father is to believe on him he sent. If you have true faith,the works will be automatic.

Hi Lentz

We always have to consider what faith exactly one is referring to. When one interrogates the required faith, you will see that it is a product of works.

So, please advise, what 'faith' exactly are you implying one needs to be saved?

Not explaining the faith you infer is like saying all works are good or all car drivers are bad.

If the faith needed is as you say ''believe on Him He sent'' what exactly does that mean? Can you be specific.

 

[lentz]

Anyone can have works without faith, but it is impossible for anyone to have faith without works.

If i may ask...what works do you do? Personally.

 

[lentz]

Hi Lentz

We always have to consider what faith exactly one is referring to. When one interrogates the required faith, you will see that it is a product of works.

So, please advise, what 'faith' exactly are you implying one needs to be saved?

Not explaining the faith you infer is like saying all works are good or all car drivers are bad.

If the faith needed is as you say ''believe on Him He sent'' what exactly does that mean? Can you be specific.

I would say there is THE FAITH
Timothy and Jude
What works do you perfom?

 

[KingJ]

I would say there is THE FAITH
Timothy and Jude
What works do you perfom?

Please be specific. You ask for specific works yet you say ''faith''.

Saying ''the faith'' is like saying ''the works''.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Im sorry. I am covicted over that outburst....Thanks daddy.
Please forgive me. I have been attacked for everything i post. If people dont agree with my thoughts and beliefs thats fine. But one person has condemned me to hell twice over this thread. I think think this thread.
Anyway all i am saying is....you can not add law to salvation.
Yes there must be laws or rules to go by, but to say i must say 3 hail Marys or clap my hands 3 times while spinning in a circle to be saved is adding to Christ work on the cross and saying he wasnt good enough,we must add this also to be saved.
I see why folk cant understand this.
But anyway brother i am trully sorry.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Im sorry. I am covicted over that outburst....Thanks daddy.
Please forgive me. I have been attacked for everything i post. If people dont agree with my thoughts and beliefs thats fine. But one person has condemned me to hell twice over this thread. I think think this thread.
Anyway all i am saying is....you can not add law to salvation.
Yes there must be laws or rules to go by, but to say i must say 3 hail Marys or clap my hands 3 times while spinning in a circle to be saved is adding to Christ work on the cross and saying he wasnt good enough,we must add this also to be saved.
I see why folk cant understand this.
But anyway brother i am trully sorry.

You're right. You cannot add 'Law' to salvation but you must live by certain protocols/ laws/ disciplines or you will lose the race for the crown. Old Covenant law has no place...And too, Jesus DID give us two laws to follow...laws upon which all the Old Covenant laws are hung.

 

[lentz]

Please be specific. You ask for specific works yet you say ''faith''.

Saying ''the faith'' is like saying ''the works''.

You didnt anawer. What works do you perform?

 

[lentz]

I know a man in a nursing home. He is paralyzed with one of those breathing tubes in throat. He cant move or talk.
What works should he be doing?

 

[Curtis]

If i may ask...what works do you do? Personally.

Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

1Cor 3:9 For WE ARE LABORERS TOGETHER WITH GOD: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. (KJV)

2Cor 6:1 . WE ARE WORKERS TOGETHER WITH GOD So we beg you: Don't let the grace that you received from God be for nothing. (ERV)

My "work" is to believe in Jesus Christ, God's "work" is to do what I believe in him to do. Co-working together with God.

 

[lentz]

Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

1Cor 3:9 For WE ARE LABORERS TOGETHER WITH GOD: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. (KJV)

2Cor 6:1 . WE ARE WORKERS TOGETHER WITH GOD So we beg you: Don't let the grace that you received from God be for nothing. (ERV)

My "work" is to believe in Jesus Christ, God's "work" is to do what I believe in him to do. Co-working together with God.

Very good. We are on the same page then

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

I know a man in a nursing home. He is paralyzed with one of those breathing tubes in throat. He cant move or talk.
What works should he be doing?

I live in a nursing home. I can barely walk and have been fitted for a wheelchair...What work can I do? Or your friend? This is the primary work for any Christian.

Hebrews 4:11
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

This is what the bride will do. All other Christians will be 'also rans' being saved but not a part of the bride.​

 

[lentz]

I live in a nursing home. I can barely walk and have been fitted for a wheelchair...What work can I do? Or your friend? This is the primary work for any Christian.

Hebrews 4:11​

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.​

​

This is what the bride will do. All other Christians will be 'also rans' being saved but not a part of the bride.​

God bless you my brother

 

[KingJ]

You didnt anawer. What works do you perform?

I will tell you when you state what faith you need. You started the arbitrary space by stating ''faith'' without a clear qualification of type.

If I state the works without you grasping the type of faith we need, you will have a gotcha moment from false teaching. I need you to think on the 'type' of faith you need, first.