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Are Christians killing Christians

Pick up or read a "copy of "Foxe's Book of Martyrs"
Book Overview
For nearly two-thousand years, courageous men and women have been tortured and killed because of their confessions of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. This updated edition of Foxes Book of Martyrs, contains stories of persecution up to 2001. Stories of heroic courage and overcoming faith. Stories of love of God and Christ. Stories of the amazing grace of God that enabled men, women, and children to endure persecutions and often horrible deaths.

You have almost 500 pages of Martyrs killed by pagans and christians. I first read that book when I was about 26-27 year old, and many time more He helps you to suffer a little more when you really think you have.. [ You read every page, then we can talk about. and don't let it take you all week!]:relieved:


Sure will. I think i have it though. I have stuff in a few different places of mine.
 
Sure will. I think i have it though. I have stuff in a few different places of mine.
There are Three Books every "Child of GOD" should have read entirely, 1st. A Good Translation of The Bible, 2nd Pilgrims Progress by Paul Bunyan. earlier edition , 3rd. the BOOK that use to have to be "Chain" to The Altar of The Church" to keep it from being stolen: "Foxe's Book of Martyr's". But many would rather Read "Beth Moore, T. D. Jake, Joyce Meyers, Purpose driven Life, Warren somebody, A book on Tongues, and healing, How to built your bless life, How to have a happy home, How to fine what GOD WANT YOU TO DO, WHAT IS YOUR GIFT, How to find a mate, is my dog going heaven and the books go on in The Name Jesus. Finally most of those book stores are gone! The Doors has been close, Nothing more than a store room of "Merchandise" and like T.D. Jakes, said by his own mouth,; 'I am a salesman and I am selling "Jesus". And I thank My God, that My Savior said; "Freely you received Freely I give" Rang ,Dang, Dang I am carry the mail! "Get Up Dead!"!
(Matthew 10)
"As you go, preach this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven is near.’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give".:p:p:p Rang a Ding, Ding, Ding! It does not cost you One DINE! Don't you know, If man made the SUN, he might not , Let it "Shine on you".
 
There are Three Books every "Child of GOD" should have read entirely, 1st. A Good Translation of The Bible, 2nd Pilgrims Progress by Paul Bunyan. earlier edition , 3rd. the BOOK that use to have to be "Chain" to The Altar of The Church" to keep it from being stolen: "Foxe's Book of Martyr's". But many would rather Read "Beth Moore, T. D. Jake, Joyce Meyers, Purpose driven Life, Warren somebody, A book on Tongues, and healing, How to built your bless life, How to have a happy home, How to fine what GOD WANT YOU TO DO, WHAT IS YOUR GIFT, How to find a mate, is my dog going heaven and the books go on in The Name Jesus. Finally most of those book stores are gone! The Doors has been close, Nothing more than a store room of "Merchandise" and like T.D. Jakes, said by his own mouth,; 'I am a salesman and I am selling "Jesus". And I thank My God, that My Savior said; "Freely you received Freely I give" Rang ,Dang, Dang I am carry the mail! "Get Up Dead!"!
(Matthew 10)
"As you go, preach this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven is near.’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give".:p:p:p Rang a Ding, Ding, Ding! It does not cost you One DINE! Don't you know, If man made the SUN, he might not , Let it "Shine on you".

Start a thread.
 
Not to pretty of sights. But what disturbs me more is the people sitting in pews, teaching the word of god and claiming this or that. But then they act as though they are God and decide who is worthy of salvation and who isnt. Who is worthy of fellowship and who isnt. Afraid to step in and minister to the ones hurting the most because of the nieghborhood they live in.

The ones that make their judgements of worthiness on people by how they look, dress, how much they have or dont have, what kind of vehicle they drive. Judging people on life decisions that they dont know anything about. They dont pray to be a spokesperson and they dont seek truth or ask questions of the person only judge.

This is the importance of all christ stood for. Not tragedy i wrote about. That wasnt nothing compared to what i have seen or been through.

I said dont justify. Because justification for one is for all. You push people out of your churches on your standards. Putting many back into dangerous situations and harmful life styles. WHAT IS GODS STANDARD ON SUCH THINGS? WHO MADE YOU SO HIGH AND MIGHTY? WHO ARE YOU TO SAY WHO CAN BE SAVED AND WHO CANT? WHO ARE TO SAY WHO IS OR WHO ISNT SAVED? WHO ARE TO SAY THE WORTHINESS OF ANYONE.

There are people literally on death beds because of the judgements of people inside. Including leaders. Am i mad. I am beyond mad. I would rather do away with church buildings, sects, denomination, idea of it in the world. Than to keep seein the world thoughts and standards in it.
Do you realize that christians also like to play mind games with others, filled with drama, and arrogance? Thats sort of what you are doing now, in not simply stating what the problem is. But dont feel to bad about it, its a huge problem with christians in general. Even here in Talk Jesus, it happens often, not with everyone, but some people do it more often than others. You aught to pray about that.
 
Do you realize that christians also like to play mind games with others, filled with drama, and arrogance? Thats sort of what you are doing now, in not simply stating what the problem is. But dont feel to bad about it, its a huge problem with christians in general. Even here in Talk Jesus, it happens often, not with everyone, but some people do it more often than others. You aught to pray about that.
I actually did state what the problem is. A couple of times. Reread the comments.
 
Hi Ushalk,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you're averring to is: where is the love? It's a good question. Jesus when He was here gave us two commandments, the first of which is John 13:35. We might skimp through that and say, yeah OK, cool. But no - do a double-take. This commandment is harder to fulfil than all the other ten put together. In God's first commandment, we're supposed to love Him with all our hearts, soul and strength. That cuts us some slack, if we're not strong but love God with all our below par strength - job done. But Jesus makes no such allowance, love each other as He has loved us. A perfect love, just like His, anything short and you've not fulfilled His commandment.

I've heard plenty of sermons on the subject of love and for the most part they've been more theoretical than practical. What is love? Give me some examples. Having a genuine care about those banged up in their homes during lockdown - befriend and chat to them, giving what we can to brothers and sisters facing destitution, praying for and writing to prisoners in jail for their faith and pleading with authorities on their behalf, sitting with and listening to those with metal health issues. For more on this read James chapter 2. Glibly saying, I'll pray for you, really isn't good enough.

Here's a good idea. Why not do all this and highlight your good deeds with a few posts on Facebook? It'll get hundreds of likes and shares and dozens of encouraging comments. Why? Because that's not the God way, that's why not. Matthew 6:1-4. You do it for the benefit of two people, the recipient and God; they are the two people who you want to please and delight because you love them both dearly.

Hope that's a useful contribution to your debate.
 
Hi Ushalk,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you're averring to is: where is the love? It's a good question. Jesus when He was here gave us two commandments, the first of which is John 13:35. We might skimp through that and say, yeah OK, cool. But no - do a double-take. This commandment is harder to fulfil than all the other ten put together. In God's first commandment, we're supposed to love Him with all our hearts, soul and strength. That cuts us some slack, if we're not strong but love God with all our below par strength - job done. But Jesus makes no such allowance, love each other as He has loved us. A perfect love, just like His, anything short and you've not fulfilled His commandment.

I've heard plenty of sermons on the subject of love and for the most part they've been more theoretical than practical. What is love? Give me some examples. Having a genuine care about those banged up in their homes during lockdown - befriend and chat to them, giving what we can to brothers and sisters facing destitution, praying for and writing to prisoners in jail for their faith and pleading with authorities on their behalf, sitting with and listening to those with metal health issues. For more on this read James chapter 2. Glibly saying, I'll pray for you, really isn't good enough.

Here's a good idea. Why not do all this and highlight your good deeds with a few posts on Facebook? It'll get hundreds of likes and shares and dozens of encouraging comments. Why? Because that's not the God way, that's why not. Matthew 6:1-4. You do it for the benefit of two people, the recipient and God; they are the two people who you want to please and delight because you love them both dearly.

Hope that's a useful contribution to your debate.

Where is the love, yes. But what is up with all of the judgement because of what people have or dont, or they come in with problems or pain, or whose business is what they tithe or dont tithe? But then when they get called out themselves they cry out dont judge.

People leave the churches more because of the judgement and hate than any other reason. Go out and ask for yourselves. Recently a couple of ladies were starting to seek Jesus out. A man invited them to church and they went. People were rude as hell to them. Told the one that was pregnant she should cut her baby out of her belly and kill it and she had no right to live and stuff like that even worse.

Many people start going to church for answers, healing and seeking truth. The way people act toward them doesnt just turn them from church but also from Christ. I stopped going to church for a long time and then met a person that was telling me about the church they were going to. It sounded like a really good place with real fellowship. So i called the church to try and get a ride. They asked one of their members about me and that member spewed a bunch of hate and they wouldnt do it. The member that spewed the garbage didnt even know me nor did they ever take the time or give me the chance to know me. Just judged and hated.

I cant deny making my own mistakes. God knows i have. But i can say i have never hated anyone for the reasons that churchianity christians have hated.

If you havent walked a mile in their shoes try to learn more of them to help them not hurt them. But dont judge because you think your so perfect. Dont judge them for the mistakes they made that you havent. None of us are higher than anyone else. Not even the unbelievers.
 
Where is the love, yes. But what is up with all of the judgement because of what people have or dont, or they come in with problems or pain, or whose business is what they tithe or dont tithe? But then when they get called out themselves they cry out dont judge.

People leave the churches more because of the judgement and hate than any other reason. Go out and ask for yourselves. Recently a couple of ladies were starting to seek Jesus out. A man invited them to church and they went. People were rude as hell to them. Told the one that was pregnant she should cut her baby out of her belly and kill it and she had no right to live and stuff like that even worse.

Many people start going to church for answers, healing and seeking truth. The way people act toward them doesnt just turn them from church but also from Christ. I stopped going to church for a long time and then met a person that was telling me about the church they were going to. It sounded like a really good place with real fellowship. So i called the church to try and get a ride. They asked one of their members about me and that member spewed a bunch of hate and they wouldnt do it. The member that spewed the garbage didnt even know me nor did they ever take the time or give me the chance to know me. Just judged and hated.

I cant deny making my own mistakes. God knows i have. But i can say i have never hated anyone for the reasons that churchianity christians have hated.

If you havent walked a mile in their shoes try to learn more of them to help them not hurt them. But dont judge because you think your so perfect. Dont judge them for the mistakes they made that you havent. None of us are higher than anyone else. Not even the unbelievers.

Hi Ushalk,

Wow! I've never experienced hostility on that level aimed at casual strangers who've happened to find themselves in a church. The account of the two ladies that you recount to me lacks credibility, maybe it's one those, 'I read it on Facebook so it's got to be true'? If what you say is accurate then you'd suspect that the perpetrator was demon possessed, but you wouldn't extrapolate that as the typical reception that first time visitors to church could expect to experience.

I think though that you're onto something in what you say. I agree that the church is not outward looking, seeking to draw people in and introduce them to the love of Christ, but IMO that's more down to lethargy, laziness and comfort zones and no real appreciation of the fate that awaits the unbeliever otherwise we'd all work much harder to waken them and point them to Jesus. Too many first time visitors to church experience zero interaction and no welcome or even a hello.

There is a problem of brothers and sisters being judgmental but in my experience it's usually aimed at outsiders and members who don't conform rather than casual visitors. I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience of that church you describe. Is the church you currently attend any better? Do you feel comfortable there and able to add to the fellowship and show love to other members? It's true that too many churches operate a 'hymn sermon hymn sandwich' service in which members just drift in and file out afterwards.
 
Hi Ushalk,

Wow! I've never experienced hostility on that level aimed at casual strangers who've happened to find themselves in a church. The account of the two ladies that you recount to me lacks credibility, maybe it's one those, 'I read it on Facebook so it's got to be true'? If what you say is accurate then you'd suspect that the perpetrator was demon possessed, but you wouldn't extrapolate that as the typical reception that first time visitors to church could expect to experience.

I think though that you're onto something in what you say. I agree that the church is not outward looking, seeking to draw people in and introduce them to the love of Christ, but IMO that's more down to lethargy, laziness and comfort zones and no real appreciation of the fate that awaits the unbeliever otherwise we'd all work much harder to waken them and point them to Jesus. Too many first time visitors to church experience zero interaction and no welcome or even a hello.

There is a problem of brothers and sisters being judgmental but in my experience it's usually aimed at outsiders and members who don't conform rather than casual visitors. I'm sorry to hear about your bad experience of that church you describe. Is the church you currently attend any better? Do you feel comfortable there and able to add to the fellowship and show love to other members? It's true that too many churches operate a 'hymn sermon hymn sandwich' service in which members just drift in and file out afterwards.
I was there and saw it myself. Granted it was not the whole church body. It was about 4 to 5 people. But it still had an impact.

The problem is most churches are to busy preaching their church building, denomination, pastors and doing the look at all the good we are doing ministries. They want popularity in the wrong way. I am not against the works of the churches. I am against the work of the look at me works and never mentioning or honoring Christ in those.

The how good of a show can we put on for the people this week? How can we put itchy ear sermons together to keep them sitting in our pews? If the apostles did this in the book of acts, the church would not have grown. The teaching of church in the biildings is false.

The question that seems to be in most church buildings is more along the lines of what do people follow? Well the majority of people follow things of the world. And that is what many churches follow as their plan to gain members in their building. Dress nice, seek out the rich, have a nice car and so on and so forth. Those things have nothing to do with godliness or salvation.

Pastors are put under pressure from their church boards. Gain members or dont have a job anymore. Being a pastor should be a calling not a career.
 
Are Christians killing other Christians? A start of a simple discussion.
For some students of prophecy, the facts outlined previously were not only predictable, but were a
prophesied prelude to a period in history wherein true believers will be “beheaded for the witness of
Jesus, and for the word of God, and….[for] not worship[ing] the beast, neither his image, neither…
[receiving] his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands” (Rev. 20:4).
Yet, when discussing this end-times scenario, and in particular the subject of rigorous
persecution, often overlooked is the role that religious “Christians” are being shaped today to play
against the true body of Christ. Even the subtitle of this book and the concept of a coming war
between Christians could seem beyond credulity if it were not for what the inspired texts themselves
convey. Jesus predicted a time when “whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service”
(John 16:2), and in Matthew 24, He told His disciples:
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you; and ye shall be hated of all
[groups of people] for my name’s sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one
another.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall grow cold. (Matthew 24:9–
12)
Elsewhere in the Bible is described this coming era of Great Tribulation, as when the
Antichrist will have power “to make war with the saints, and to overcome them” (Rev. 13:7; see also
Dan. 7:21). Immediately following those verses, there is description of a second beast with “two
horns like a lamb” who speaks “like a dragon” (Rev. 13:11). Most evangelical scholars identify this
second “beast” as the leader of the end-times religious institution who will be under Satan’s control.
The phrase “like a lamb” indicates he will pretend to represent the Lamb of God and the Christian
church, while the expression “speaks like a dragon” identifies the devilish source of his authority and
power. This final, global, super-church leader will be a murderer not unlike the Antichrist, and will
cause “that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed” (Rev. 13:15).
Thus, the book of Revelation outlines how the political figure of Antichrist derives
ultranational dominance from the world’s religious faithful through the influence of an ecclesiastical
leader (also called the False Prophet) who will not hesitate to swim in the blood of the genuine saints
of God
In the days between now and when these men of sin are identified, this reality—that latter-day
churchgoers will soon believe they are serving the kingdom of God by participating in or approving
the death of conservative Christians—is not a concept lost on all contemporary churchmen. There are
those who see things taking shape even now for a war that will eventually pit religious “Christians”
against the real members of the body of Christ. For example, the Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin
Welby, stated early in 2014 that “modern Christians” will now be “‘called’ to suffer and even die for
the faith” in a new era “of martyrdom.” But a clarifying document that was not supposed to be
made public and which was authored by a senior advisor to Welby’s predecessor details how such a
time of great persecution is coming because true believers will, according to the letter, be driven
underground by liberal Christians and will become a dissident association comparable to resistance
movements during World War II. Dr. J. Vernon McGee, one of America’s most beloved Bible
teachers of the past century, taught the same and clarified that these true biblical believers would
ultimately be driven “underground” by none other than latter-day denominational churches. Another of
the twentieth century’s most perceptive writers was pastor and author A. W. Tozer (who was not
usually given to prognostication), who likewise wrote:
Let me go out on a limb a little bit and prophesy. I see the time coming when all the holy men
whose eyes have been opened by the Holy Spirit will desert worldly Evangelicalism, one by
one. The house [institutional Christianity] will be left desolate and there will not be a man of
God, a man in whom the Holy Spirit dwells, left among them.
These Holy-Spirit-devoid church attenders will join other “religious types” to constitute
Antichrist’s apostate religious and political order (connected to “Mystery Babylon” in Revelation 17
and, as unfathomable as it may sound, will seek to formulate perhaps the most egregious rank among
the Man of Sin’s Gestapo members in their appetite for destroying latter-day, truly born-again
believers
 
Are Christians killing other Christians? A start of a simple discussion.
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

This is found everywhere, and more so as the decades roll along. Lucifer's goal is to stop people paying attention to God (Truth). Lucifer will use any means possible to accomplish this, especially churches against churches, ministers against the flock, and Christians against Christians.

God / Truth has always been, and will always be, the only one to rely on.
 
Ephesians 6:12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

This is found everywhere, and more so as the decades roll along. Lucifer's goal is to stop people paying attention to God (Truth). Lucifer will use any means possible to accomplish this, especially churches against churches, ministers against the flock, and Christians against Christians.

God / Truth has always been, and will always be, the only one to rely on.
Not all Christians believe this... Some Christians are already going the way of the Demoncrats..
 
Your not to bright are you? Dont come back with ignorance. Read the thread and pray about it.
You've a lot of nerve speaking to an elder member of this forum like that.
Grow up!

You know nothing about Christ or you wouldn't behave here in your first impression as someone who doesn't know him.
I'm sure your street sarcasm can't wait to pipe up and cast another insult in public in response, and therein prove me right.
Just know, God sees you and you shall answer for every word you utter all the days of your life.

While blessedly this forums ignore function guarantees I'll never read them.

If you're meant to be found by Jesus, you have a chance at becoming a better person. Till then....
 
You've a lot of nerve speaking to an elder member of this forum like that.
Grow up!

You know nothing about Christ or you wouldn't behave here in your first impression as someone who doesn't know him.
I'm sure your street sarcasm can't wait to pipe up and cast another insult in public in response, and therein prove me right.
Just know, God sees you and you shall answer for every word you utter all the days of your life.

While blessedly this forums ignore function guarantees I'll never read them.

If you're meant to be found by Jesus, you have a chance at becoming a better person. Till then....


I am not as new as you may think. Perhaps her judgement should have been put at bay. A lot like your judgement. You judge me because of what i wrote to an esteemed long timer on this sight. Hmmm

You can judge how you want and you can believe you know the hearts of all men. But your not God either. Have a good day.
 
If you read Revelations and understood what it wrote, you will find that the church (or rather the institutionalised church) of our generation is in a poor condition. Hint: Revelation 18:4
 
Why did God ask His people to come out of mystery Babylon? (Revelation 18:4) Because mystery Babylon is a symbol of the modern day Christian/Catholic religion and many of God’s people are in the midst of this religion.

Why is mystery Babylon a woman? Because woman/virgin is a symbol of the bride of Christ in Revelations. And why is the woman called mystery Babylon? Because she had the characteristics of ancient Babylonian religion. Do research and you will find that many of the religious practices in Catholicism/Christianity today came from ancient Babylon.

An example: Nimrod, the wicked man who built the Tower of Babel, married his own mother Semiramis. When he died, his wife/mother declared Nimrod the sun god and branded herself the Queen of heaven. Her son Tammuz also became reincarnation of the sun god Nimrod and his birthday is recognised on 25 December. Do these sound familiar?
 
The early church under the apostles never celebrated Christmas, Easter or even Jesus’ birth. No one in the Gospels recorded the date of Jesus’ birth.

it was the Roman Catholic Church under Constantine which brought those Babylonian practices and beliefs into the church and persecuted/killed those who would not submit to its authority. That was when the pure church/virgin transformed into the Mother of harlots, whom Jesus revealed to be mystery Babylon.
 
Yes the church under Constantine actually killed Christians and Revelations prophesied about it long before it happened:

“And upon her forehead a name was written, a mystery: BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE PROSTITUTES, AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman being drunk with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. And having seen her, I marveled with great wonder.” - Revelation 17:5-6
 
Did christians try to kill "Apostle Paul" in the Book of Acts?:eyes: And why did they want to kill him?:eyes: And if they did, what did that make them, according to "The Gospel According to JESUS Christ"?:eyes:

PS. These questions are referring to "believers in Christ in the book of "The Acts of The Apostles".
 
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