Are We In The End Times?

[Garee]

Where is the scripture for this? This seems to be assumption.

Mark 12: 25 YLT for when they may rise out of the dead, they neither marry nor are they given in marriage, but are as messengers who are in the heavens.

The messengers are the sons of God, believers (The church) the bride of Christ the new creature what we will be neither male nor female Jew nor Gentile we have the incorruptible seed and await the new incorruptible bodies . Spiritless lifeless Flesh and blood, the corrupted could never enter the new order ..There will be no commandment to be fruitful and multiple .

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

One thing to keep in mind death did not occur until mankind violated the letter of the law (death) "thou shalt not or you will die" . It was then that God corrupted the whole creation. . corruption leading toward death never to rise to new life began .It was then in there corrupted state that God commanded them to be fruitful and multiply.

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True enough, but not vice versa, a spirit can live without a body.

The new born again spirit awaits the new body . But natural unconverted mankind there is a separation

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Notice "Jesus came" and stood with them after the doors were shut and locked. He wasn't in the room before this.

He came in the room to flee persecution with them on the first day same room they were in on the 8th. . It was not a sign given to them to wonder after .

It would appear how the word corruption is used is the key to understanding. it always speaks of the temporal flesh and blood never the eternal things of faith the incorruptible seed by which mankind is born anew from above.

 

[Born Again 2004]

@Born Again 2004

Greetings,



please refrain from such expressions and outbursts.


Bless you ....><>

Expressions, I apologise for, but outburst?...how did you assertion that?

 

[Garee]

Boy!!!, you have that wrong!!
Go back and show me where I remotely said that!
I have always contended that He was in His Resuurected Body and as best as we humans can understand, and for better lack of words, He did WALK through walls!!!!!!
You have definitely "missed" something!!!!!!

Boy!!!, you have that wrong!!
Go back and show me where I remotely said that!
I have always contended that He was in His Resuurected Body and as best as we humans can understand, and for better lack of words, He did WALK through walls!!!!!!
You have definitely "missed" something!!!!!!

Who said Jesus our brother in Christ was in his resurrected new body? If that was the case the perfect has come and we all have been given our new bodies in the twinkling of a eye.

Hebrew 11: 39-40 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

In that way I believe we can rightly divide the two kinds of families or governments . The earthen family .Fleshy mothers, fathers produces sons and daughters.

The family of God beginning with the first born Son of man Jesus our "brother in Christ" . Having one father not seen God in that we we are to call no man father on earth .

Matthew 12:49-50 King James Version And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my "Father" which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.



I would suggest we must remember salvation is the work of two, one with power the eternal the other no power the temporal . No Son no Father, no demonstration

Their mutual work of "one faith" is the labor of love by which all are saved form the wrath of God .(Isaiah 53) the father striking bruising his heel , the Son crying out for strength or power to finish the mutual work . The father kept his sufferings body of corruption to the point of no return for three days they worked together. Just as Lazarus four days keeping his body from total destruction dust retuning to the clay and the temporal spirit given under the letter of the law (death) returns to the unseen father . Those who have ben given a new spirit will rise and receive the promise in a twinkling of the eye .

Psalm 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

"Hell" the living sacrifice = the suffering of the flesh. . The wage of sin the appointment of all flesh death, never to rise to new life .

Dead spiritless bones will not be raised and judged twice .A body without a spirit is dead never to rise to new born again life .

 

[Mack]

Yes something unheard of neither male nor female Jew nor gentile a entirely new creation

I have heard of that idea and trusted it for some time .But when looking at it there would be no reason to believe mankind " corrupted flesh and blood" can walk through walls.

No one has received their new incorruptible body as sons of God all die not receiving it. We are not what we will be. Our new glorified bodies will be neither male nor female, Jew nor gentile but the new creation .The bride the wife of Christ, the church .

Looking at the whole discourse it begins on the 1st day they along with Jesus were behind locked doors in fear of the unbelieving Jew.

John 20: 19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

After 8 days the door still be shut because of persecutions. Jesus again addressed them continuing to teach them to walk by faith and not by sight .

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but we shall remain as male and female. Other abilities, yes, but whatever gender we had in our pre-mortal lives and are born with, we shall be when we are in the spirit world and when resurrected. There will be no gender reassignment or some in between both sexes. There is no doctrinal teachings that we shall be anything other than our current gender.

 

[Garee]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but we shall remain as male and female. Other abilities, yes, but whatever gender we had in our pre-mortal lives and are born with, we shall be when we are in the spirit world and when resurrected. There will be no gender reassignment or some in between both sexes. There is no doctrinal teachings that we shall be anything other than our current gender.

That would seem to support the agenda today. No gender difference. . Don't look down . . marvel not.

Fact is there are many verses that support what we will be as son of God . converted mankind as new creatures neither male or female Jew nor gentile as the chaste virgin bride the church .

If nothing changes then we are what we will be . . .male and female, Jew and gentile

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him (our husband ) as he is.

One thing I have ben looking at is the Genesis account the foundation of the doctrine " the bride of Christ the church". . Right from the beginning God was looking for a bride , male and female he made mankind as one entity. Unlike the other beast of the field . Male and female separated created he them.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; (born again mankind) male and female created he them

After the fall and the glory left . God assigned mankind one creation to be the protector of his unseen glory . Lucifer failed to protect the glory he rather usurped the glorious light as the presence of God who is Light .

Mankind fell and were separated they could see with their eyes the glory that encompassed them left his glorious presence . It was then with there eyes they saw the were naked and ashamed . He then not before, commanded them to be fruitful and multiply .So that he could create a eternal bride to His unseen glory. . that will be shown in the new heavens and earth the return of his glory .(Revelation 21)

Genesis 1;28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Eve a woman is used to represent the new bride as the mother of us all born again Christians . Adam to represent Christ our husband .

Believer are considered barren in that way children of God not of men .

Galiatians 4: 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.

Paul is used to show how a surrogate mother works, holding out the gospel, sufferings in pain of birth in a hope Christ would be formed in the as a new creature Timothy (neither male or female, Jew nor gentile ).

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

Paul as a surrogate mother who did surfer in pains of birth is show espousing Timothy to Christ our husband as the new chaste virgin bride.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Dear Garee,
My apologies for taking so long in responding brother.
Now where to start...

We are informed in the new order there will be no procreation (male and female) . as new creatures today we perform the work of no division . . . male nor female Jew nor gentile .But as Son of God we are not what we will be. No man or woman has received the new (Hebrews 11:39-40 ) Therefore, from then on, we regard no one according to the flesh (male nor female Jew nor gentile . we should be working it out now and not wait until we have passed to the new.

Like a thief in the night It will occur at one glorious moment the twinkling of the eye when we receive the incorruptible promise . As believers espoused to one husband we are likened to Timothy .No corrupted fleshy seeds.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

You state that "in the new order there will be no procreation..." and are using what I have stated before, scripture served for another purpose. I can't say that it is not neatly done, but again I see you reading into what is not there, or another way of saying it, you're extrapolating the scripture to fit a yet unknown tomorrow. You are assuming there is to be no procreation because of Scripture that mentions that there is neither "...male or female", and if you are doing so, then you are taking Scripture out of context or to its purpose.

I'll use Young's Literal Translation in showing Galatians 3:28 for the purposes of clarity to what I am saying. "there is not here Jew or Greek, there is not here servant nor freeman, there is not here male and female, for all ye are one in Christ Jesus; ". Now I will include v29 which provides the purpose/reasoning for what was said in v28. "and if ye are of Christ then of Abraham ye are seed, and according to promise -- heirs."
Now what Paul was communicating to the church in Galatia was the inheritance we have from the promises made to Abraham, and why it could be so, though clearly the people he was talking to were still Jews, Greeks, males and females for all practical purposes.

If we were to take it literally as it appears that you have, it opens up a whole can of worms, that must be answered. Since Paul was writing as I stated to the Church in Galatia, it had a present application/understanding to those living then. Was he communicating that there was no marriage? and if so, what about sex? No longer allowed since there is neither male or female? I could go on, with this but won't. So, you making it a future item is necessary to get past these issues, but still doing so does not negate v29 and the stated purpose for stating what he did in v28, and not some future condition of a believers existence as you are laying out to us here your position to be.

Now let's take a look at Hebrews 11:38-40 that you have coupled with other references to come up with the foundation of what you believe is a future condition for believers. If you take a look at Hebrews Chapter 11, what you are seeing spoken of is faith. The faithfulness of those in the past, despite the promises made to them not being fulfilled in their lifetimes. This is where you appear to go off the road a bit. You say "No man or woman has received the new (Hebrews 11:39-40) Therefore, from then on, we regard no one according to the flesh..." You must assume that the promises made were not mentioned, but in the following verses which I'll use the New Living Translation for clarity purposes states in Hebrews 11:13-16 as follows:

- All these people died still believing what God had promised them. They did not receive what was promised, but they saw it all from a distance and welcomed it. They agreed that they were foreigners and nomads here on earth. v13
- Obviously people who say such things are looking forward to a country they can call their own. v14 NLT
- If they had longed for the country they came from, they could have gone back. v15 NLT
- But they were looking for a better place, a heavenly homeland. That is why God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. v16 NLT

Faith was the focus of this chapter, and not some future physical existence of the believer. Take a look at how many times this chapter has "it was by faith" in it to bring one to look to what was important for the writer to have the reader look to and understand. I'll save you some time. NLT 16 times, NKJV uses "By Faith" 18 Times, and I could go on with the different versions, but by now you see what is clearly being discussed in this chapter of Hebrews. Faith.

I just don't see how you can justify using verses in Scripture that are not contextual in nature to each other and come up with something that relates to neither of them. Too easy to err when doing this, even when the subjects are like minded, which clearly is not the case here.

Now to look at 2 Corinthians 11:2, in which I'll use the NKJV, which states "For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ."
I don't know if you have looked to the rest of the Chapter, but you know the purpose of his writings were because of his concern of the church at Corinth being led astray, and how he wanted them to be verses how they were acting. You see this in verses 3-4 below. This issue was also evident in his initial Epistle to them in 1 Corinthians. Being affected by the world around them was an issue for many of the churches. Hasn’t changed much!!! Anyway…

- But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2Co 11:3 NKJV
- For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or [if] you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted--you may well put up with it! 2Co 11:4 NKJV

Putting these verses 2-4 together and you come to a clear understanding that he has a great love for the church at Corinth, and would present them as pure in all ways. While you have extrapolated v2 to have a different meaning and purpose.

Thanks I can try .

John 20: 19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. "Then" were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

The lord had reveled to them in respect to the hands and side that a spirit does not have flesh and blood, a body without the spirit essence of life is dead powerless .

I am saying he was in the room on the first day hiding because of persecution with the disciples on the eight day having hid for seven he addressed them again just as on the first day . The metaphor eight days in other parables in that way is used many times to represent the end of a waiting period (7)

It would appear he did not leave the room for that period (7) . Other possible conversation are not made know. Like the believers with Thomas the doubter.

John 20: 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

In that way the evidence that he walked out of the tomb should be enough I would think .It would seem that doubters looked to signs to wonder after before they will exercise a faith that works in them . Jesus the prophet sent by the father as a apostle declared the gospel given words from the father loving commandment . . be not faithless, but believing. Thomas as a witness to the work of the gospel showing he had believed the words of the unseen Lord confessed .( the witness of faith )

John 20: 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

In that way Proverbs 24:26 Every man shall kiss his lips that giveth a right answer.

Psalm 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Not their trust in the temporal things seen .

You said you would try, but sadly you were unable to answer the question I posed to you. Which was as follows:

"Also, are you saying that Jesus when he met with disciples in a room He was in possession of "corrupted flesh and blood"? Luke 24:36-43, John 20:24-29 and so your mentioning of humanities blood & flesh not being able to walk through walls, because no one here that I could see has professed the belief that non-glorified bodies we currently inhabit can walk through walls."


Also, above you say that "he" was hiding? Are you saying Jesus? Why would He be hiding? Everyone including the disciples thought He was dead!!! Maybe, its just the way you phrased it, made it seem that's what you were saying. (shrug)

As far as evidence that He walked out of the tomb should be enough. He had to be different in some ways, or obscured His appearance enough that He was not immediately identified. A good example of this is the Road to Emmaus telling in Luke 24:13-33. It wasn't until the following verse that they knew it was Him!!! Still I must say are we not brother blessed for not seeing and yet believing?

- Now it came to pass, as He sat at the table with them, that He took bread, blessed and broke [it], and gave it to them. Luk 24:30 NKJV
- Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight. Luk 24:31 NKJV

Well, sorry for taking so long in responding. If you reply back, I'll try to do better!!!

God bless.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[MrBear]

Yea I think he could manifest himself in many ways moving through solid doors , keeping his fleshly wounds so the disciples could believe it was actually him, then shrouding his appearance when he wanted like when they broke bread and * poof* he was just gone ( oh that must have been something )
Even alive he had a lot of “ Batman” moments where the Jews would be looking for him and poof he would disappear, or when they went to stone him and poof he was just gone
I know a lot of people don’t put any faith in the Apocrypha even though Enoch is directly quoted in Jude while inspired by God
(I have respect for anyone’s belief in the cannon so it’s not a poke at anyone)
If you do read The Apocrypha it explains why there will be no procreation
That the lord punished the watchers (angels that sinned) for taking wives
And having children
That the angels were eternal and didn’t need offspring ( also all angels are male anyway)
But man was not eternal and needed to multiply
Anyway that’s what The Apocrypha says about procreation
But again I believe it was in the cannon and removed by the Catholics for thier own reasons and the pharisees cut the scriptures up too to hide The prophecy that came true concerning jesus but I take no issue with those that refute the validity of these books
SHALOM

 

[Garee]

If we were to take it literally as it appears that you have, it opens up a whole can of worms, that must be answered. Since Paul was writing as I stated to the Church in Galatia, it had a present application/understanding to those living then. Was he communicating that there was no marriage? and if so, what about sex? No longer allowed since there is neither male or female? I could go on, with this but won't. So, you making it a future item is necessary to get past these issues, but still doing so does not negate v29 and the stated purpose for stating what he did in v28, and not some future condition of a believers existence as you are laying out to us here your position to be.

Thanks for the reply . Sorry in advance for the rambling.

Not a salvation issue more of the differences in hearing the understanding of God in a hope of two walking as one. .

I would offer I believe if Christians are to walk by faith “the unseen eternal”. What we see the "temporal" literal must be mixed with the unseen eternal according to the 20/20 prescription or rightly dividing tool (2 Corinthians 4:18) That he has given us so that then we can obey lovingly living commandment in 2 Timothy 2:15. Study rightly dividing the living word so that we can seek the approval of His unseen glorious labor of love, or called work of faith .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

We cannot see our promised new incorruptible bodies except by faith the unseen.

In that way without what I call the poetic language or tongue of a parable, Christ spoke not . The things seen the temporal must be mixed if we are to seek out the spiritual understanding.

How we understand the parables . . . the hearing of our unseen God can cause many different conclusions and can if understood properly I believe help a person grow in faith. (the purpose of all parables)

.Ignoring the same (no parables as prophecy just good stories) ) offers many different conclusions also. In that we should be care full how we hear seeing we do not wrestles against powerless flesh and blood the temporal things seen but do against the father of lies.

I think as sons of God (Christians) we are not what we will be when we receive the end of our faith our new incorruptible body that would seem cannot grow old and die. . Called as a parable the bride in relationship to her husband Christ.


1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

We are a new creation but again it does not appear as we will. Today, Mankind, male and female Jew and gentile. In our new glorified bodies sons of God as the chaste virgin bride, Christians, literally meaning. . Residents of the city of Christ , named after her founder and husband, Christ. (Christian) a denomyn)

2 Corithians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Our flesh has not changed as new creatures. As brother and sisters by faith we know no man after flesh even though some did after Christ.

While it would seem in this day and age Satan would declare it is all as one body no change .Calling what God calls two today . .one.(homosexuality) I would think we must mix - faith (if we are to receive the gospel rest yoked with Christ he makes the burden of the his chaste virgin bride lighter with a living future hope of being delivered from these bodies of death

Again we mix faith (Hebrews 4:1-2) with what we do see the temporal then the burden can be lighter . otherwise it remains parable without any gospel understanding just a good bedtime story .

I would offer a series of parables used to show the believers as sons of God as brothers sisters and mothers all having the same Holy Father not seen. No difference between male and female the same mother .

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Brother Paul as a surrogate Mother

Galatians 4:19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

The parable below using Paul again as a mother espousing Timothy as the chaste virgin bride the church .

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

It sounds really weird to a new believer if the parable is not rightly divided.

But in the new heaven and earth when the glory of God returns the former things of earth, the corrupted creation , will not be remembered or ever come to mind. all things created new .That would seem to remove the weirdness.

 

[Garee]

Now let's take a look at Hebrews 11:38-40 that you have coupled with other references to come up with the foundation of what you believe is a future condition for believers. If you take a look at Hebrews Chapter 11, what you are seeing spoken of is faith. The faithfulness of those in the past, despite the promises made to them not being fulfilled in their lifetimes. This is where you appear to go off the road a bit. You say "No man or woman has received the new (Hebrews 11:39-40) Therefore, from then on, we regard no one according to the flesh..." You must assume that the promises made were not mentioned, but in the following verses which I'll use the New Living Translation for clarity purposes states in Hebrews 11:13-16 as follows:

- All these people died still believing what God had promised them. They did not receive what was promised, but they saw it all from a distance and welcomed it. They agreed that they were foreigners and nomads here on earth. v13
- Obviously people who say such things are looking forward to a country they can call their own. v14 NLT
- If they had longed for the country they came from, they could have gone back. v15 NLT
- But they were looking for a better place, a heavenly homeland. That is why God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them. v16 NLT

Faith was the focus of this chapter, and not some future physical existence of the believer. Take a look at how many times this chapter has "it was by faith" in it to bring one to look to what was important for the writer to have the reader look to and understand. I'll save you some time. NLT 16 times, NKJV uses "By Faith" 18 Times, and I could go on with the different versions, but by now you see what is clearly being discussed in this chapter of Hebrews. Faith.

By faith, Christ's as it is written we are given a vision of the eternal .

Interestingly the saints listed that did have the faith of Christ working in them to both reveal the will of God and empower them to do it . begins with what we would call heroes of faith the well known then the list list lesser and lesser and then not known no name is given (Of whom the world was not worthy) He hid them .

I would think a lesson on the first will be last and last first . All will receive the propmised of their new glorious incorruptible bodies in the twinkling of the eye.


Hebrews 11:37-39 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, (Christ's) received not the promise:

 

[MrBear]

Thanks for the reply . Sorry in advance for the rambling.

Not a salvation issue more of the differences in hearing the understanding of God in a hope of two walking as one. .

I would offer I believe if Christians are to walk by faith “the unseen eternal”. What we see the "temporal" literal must be mixed with the unseen eternal according to the 20/20 prescription or rightly dividing tool (2 Corinthians 4:18) That he has given us so that then we can obey lovingly living commandment in 2 Timothy 2:15. Study rightly dividing the living word so that we can seek the approval of His unseen glorious labor of love, or called work of faith .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

We cannot see our promised new incorruptible bodies except by faith the unseen.

In that way without what I call the poetic language or tongue of a parable, Christ spoke not . The things seen the temporal must be mixed if we are to seek out the spiritual understanding.

How we understand the parables . . . the hearing of our unseen God can cause many different conclusions and can if understood properly I believe help a person grow in faith. (the purpose of all parables)

.Ignoring the same (no parables as prophecy just good stories) ) offers many different conclusions also. In that we should be care full how we hear seeing we do not wrestles against powerless flesh and blood the temporal things seen but do against the father of lies.

I think as sons of God (Christians) we are not what we will be when we receive the end of our faith our new incorruptible body that would seem cannot grow old and die. . Called as a parable the bride in relationship to her husband Christ.


1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

We are a new creation but again it does not appear as we will. Today, Mankind, male and female Jew and gentile. In our new glorified bodies sons of God as the chaste virgin bride, Christians, literally meaning. . Residents of the city of Christ , named after her founder and husband, Christ. (Christian) a denomyn)

2 Corithians 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Our flesh has not changed as new creatures. As brother and sisters by faith we know no man after flesh even though some did after Christ.

you know he is referring to flesh as sin “ sins of the flesh” , not actual body flesh
We have become new creatures because we are no longer worldly and are in Christ


But in the new heaven and earth when the glory of God returns the former things of earth, the corrupted creation , will not be remembered or ever come to mind. all things created new .


The new Jerusalem the resurrection being given incorruptible bodies unable to sin because his law will be written on our hearts
Higher than the angels ( angels can sin as we have seen in scripture)
But we will be unable to sin a whole new being
I love that idea
SHALOM

 

[Garee]

You said you would try, but sadly you were unable to answer the question I posed to you. Which was as follows:

"Also, are you saying that Jesus when he met with disciples in a room He was in possession of "corrupted flesh and blood"? Luke 24:36-43, John 20:24-29 and so your mentioning of humanities blood & flesh not being able to walk through walls, because no one here that I could see has professed the belief that non-glorified bodies we currently inhabit can walk through walls."


Also, above you say that "he" was hiding? Are you saying Jesus? Why would He be hiding? Everyone including the disciples thought He was dead!!! Maybe, its just the way you phrased it, made it seem that's what you were saying. (shrug)

As far as evidence that He walked out of the tomb should be enough. He had to be different in some ways, or obscured His appearance enough that He was not immediately identified. A good example of this is the Road to Emmaus telling in Luke 24:13-33. It wasn't until the following verse that they knew it was Him!!! Still I must say are we not brother blessed for not seeing and yet believing?

- Now it came to pass, as He sat at the table with them, that He took bread, blessed and broke [it], and gave it to them. Luk 24:30 NKJV
- Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight. Luk 24:31 NKJV

Well, sorry for taking so long in responding. If you reply back, I'll try to do better!!!

Thanks for the reply,

When I say hiding in the dialog there was no message from the father coming to the prophet and apostle Jesus.

Jesus first appeared to them and never left their presence .

Luke 24:15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.

Like faithless Thomas in whom Jesus rebuked be not faithless but rather believe prophecy all things written in the law and prophets the unseen work of the father .

Luke 24:30-31 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.

Hid in plain sight done more than once Having been know by the breaking of bread parable of our daily bread .

Then again the father revealed his body of death assuring them faith comes by believing, not what the eyes see the temporal.


Luke 24: 36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them

Job 23:9 On the left hand, where he doth work, but I cannot behold him: he hideth himself on the right hand, that I cannot see him:

 

[Christ4Ever]

By faith, Christ's as it is written we are given a vision of the eternal .

Interestingly the saints listed that did have the faith of Christ working in them to both reveal the will of God and empower them to do it . begins with what we would call heroes of faith the well known then the list list lesser and lesser and then not known no name is given (Of whom the world was not worthy) He hid them .

I would think a lesson on the first will be last and last first . All will receive the propmised of their new glorious incorruptible bodies in the twinkling of the eye.


Hebrews 11:37-39 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, (Christ's) received not the promise:

Dear Garee,
Unless you didn't read my reply to you, the promise that you speak of "glorious incorruptible bodies", is not the promise spoken of in Hebrews 11:37-39. I'm not saying that Glorified Bodies is not a promise, because it is, but the reference you use for it is not pointing to it. You make mention of it enough that I'm sure you know that Paul makes reference to it in 1 Corinthians 15. There are a few promises that our Lord gave. One was almost immediate, at least relative in time, was in Acts 1:-4-5. That promise was the Holy Spirit. Which of course was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost. So, that we can point to promises that our Lord gave is good, for they can lift our spirits up in anticipation of their completion, if they haven't already come to fruition, but it is also good to not overlap them which can create confusion.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/

 

[Garee]

Dear Garee,
Unless you didn't read my reply to you, the promise that you speak of "glorious incorruptible bodies", is not the promise spoken of in Hebrews 11:37-39. I'm not saying that Glorified Bodies is not a promise, because it is, but the reference you use for it is not pointing to it. You make mention of it enough that I'm sure you know that Paul makes reference to it in 1 Corinthians 15. There are a few promises that our Lord gave. One was almost immediate, at least relative in time, was in Acts 1:-4-5. That promise was the Holy Spirit. Which of course was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost. So, that we can point to promises that our Lord gave is good, for they can lift our spirits up in anticipation of their completion, if they haven't already come to fruition, but it is also good to not overlap them which can create confusion.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/

Hi Nick thanks for the reply .

Sorry I thought I had addressed the idea of Hebrew 11: it takes little work but I believe it can help clear up what I am offering.

I am not sure how 1 Corinthians 15 would apply or Acts 1 ?

What I would offer is many have attributed re-defining what an Apostle is . . "by the witness of men" or what the eyes see and not the witness of faith.

To the law. Let there be and to the witness it was good Two witnesses working as one perfect law What he says comes to pass. if mankind speaks not according to the two witnesses then we can understand God has not spoken

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

In that way we use the witness of Christ as it is written and not as seen the temporal the witness of men

1 Coririthians 15: 7-9 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

Paul was not saying he was the least of all of those sent from the beginning of time with the gospel just the twelve.

When defining the word” apostle” as to its foundation. (sent one) with no other understanding added.

We then know that Able was the first recorded apostle and first listed martyr who was murdered by his brother Cain and buried under in the corn field .Establishing the pagan foundation of fools. "Out of sight out of mind" as in who believes in a God not seen .First recorded murder of the father of lies a murderer from that very beginning.

The word apostle as to its meaning was changed to support a law of the fathers a a hierarchy of men that lord over the faith or understanding of the non-venerable. pew sitters Fleshly Kings and Queens, the governments of men. The abomination of desolation .removing our un-seen Holy Father as King of kings and Lord of lords.

In that way they become the source of faith and not that as it is written .God’s testimony.

The Holy Spirit using the apostles help us to remember to not go above all things written in the law (Moses) and the testimony (the prophets ) . Teaching us I believe how to walk by faith (his understanding) humbling reminding us reminded us where gifts come from . Not each other.

The Holy Spirit send all of his apostles (sent ones ) with prophecy (gospel . Just like he sent Moses, Rehab and Elijah some he hid in caves the world was not worthy of them any more than it was of Abel .whose blood cries out longing to be clothed with the incorruptible

1 Corinthians 4: 6-7 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure (parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Those in Acts 2 are shown as those in which the Spirit of Christ set his approval of his tongue the word of God , sending them out two by two, as apostles, messengers of God


Acts 2: 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

A similar parable found in 1 Kings 18 comparing the spiritual understanding to the spiritual. faith to faith) I believe the two can be reconciled . The cleansing fire of God’s approval by the water (the gospel) consuming the fire

1 Kings 18:38 Then the fire of the Lord fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.

A beautiful gospel parable. The approval of the tongue (prophecy) The witness of God.

 

[K9Buckeye]

I didn't believe we were in the end times until this morning. I was attempting to fry some eggs when I broke one of the yolks and then it occurred to me - the end of the world is nigh!

 

[Born Again 2004]

I didn't believe we were in the end times until this morning. I was attempting to fry some eggs when I broke one of the yolks and then it occurred to me - the end of the world is nigh!

Huh!?

 

[Garee]

I didn't believe we were in the end times until this morning. I was attempting to fry some eggs when I broke one of the yolks and then it occurred to me - the end of the world is nigh!

Yes the first century time of reformation the egg was hatched . The last days called a thousand years a metaphor used in parables to represent a unknown . It began when the veil was rent .There was no Jewish Kings sitting in the Holy of Holies .Satan fell and could no longer deceive all the nations that God is a Jewish man . Sort of like the understanding of Wizard of Oz idea . . without a literal wizard .

The parables reads. .

Revelation 20:1-3 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Nations the coat of many colors

Genesis 37:23 And it came to pass, when Joseph was come unto his brethren, that they stript Joseph out of his coat, his coat of many colours that was on him;

 

[MrBear]

Matthew 24:36
But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Stay strong in the lord
SHALOM

 

[Born Again 2004]

Matthew 24:36
But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.
Stay strong in the lord
SHALOM

Why some persiste in saying when is beside me! I think this verse clearly states that We are in the end times and only God knows "exactly " when!

 

[Garee]

Why some persiste in saying when is beside me! I think this verse clearly states that We are in the end times and only God knows "exactly " when!

Yes he will come as a thief in the night .

 

[Born Again 2004]

Yes he will come as a thief in the night .

Better be ready now!!!