ARE WE TO JUDGE?

[Bendito]

Lets all be fair and aware of the Holy Spirit within, It is not wrong to have discernment but we should never judge!

LOL As you said in the other post...They are two different things. But I agree with you.

 

[Born Again 2004]

LOL As you said in the other post...They are two different things. But I agree with you.

Agreed, that is what I was trying to imply.

 

[Hekuran]

Those who are touchy feely and quickly get offended and fail to take responsibility for this are in fact very much uncorrectable and if you don't take correction then you are unteachable.
No correction
No Teachable
NO Direction

Christian snowflakes?

Be careful. Are these not both judgemental phrases?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Be careful. Are these not both judgemental phrases?

Not at all.
How can what I said be considered judgmental when scripture teaches us This?
Blessings

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Lets all be fair and aware of the Holy Spirit within, It is not wrong to have discernment but we should never judge!

Agreed and yet far to many believers try to hide behind discernment and wisdom when in fact it was pure judging.
Blessings

 

[Bendito]

Be careful. Are these not both judgemental phrases?

Heh heh heh

 

[Bill]

perhaps we could understand better with an example

May the understanding of our Lord Jesus give us wisdom to hear Him Always.

The Lord has given me authority over Angels and much more. (I always use this authority with respect) I see and hear Angels, i am involved with Spiritual Warfare on a very high level. Everyday, there are battles that people can not see. And im not talking street fights. Im talking thousands of Angels against the Darkness.

Ive been doing this work for over thirty yrs. There have been countless confirmations. I have no doubts about any of it.

May the Lord Jesus Bless you always

 

[B-A-C]

I disagree... sometimes we need to judge.

1 Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

1 Cor 11:13; Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

1 Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.

John 7:24; "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

Matt 18:15; "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.

How did you determine your brother sinned? You judged him.

Luke 6:42; "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.

This verse doesn't say "don't judge", it says make sure you are being a hypocrite if you are going to judge someone.

Sometimes, just determining if something is right or wrong is judging.

Luke 7:43; Simon answered and said, "I suppose the one whom he forgave more." And He said to him, "You have judged correctly."

Acts 16:15; And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us.

1 Cor 6:2; Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

The word discern in Hebrews 5:14; for example...

διάκρισις
diakrisis
dee-ak'-ree-sis
From G1252; judicial estimation: - discern (-ing), disputation.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

The word judicial... comes from "judge". Discerning right from wrong... is judging.

1 Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

How can we do this if we don't judge them?

1 Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

The root of this word.. is actually translated as "judge" in over a dozen verses.

διακρίνω
diakrinō
dee-ak-ree'-no
From G1223 and G2919; to separate thoroughly, that is, (literally and reflexively) to withdraw from, or (by implication) oppose; figuratively to discriminate (by implication decide), or (reflexively) hesitate: - contend, make (to) differ (-ence), discern, doubt, judge, be partial, stagger, waver.
Total KJV occurrences: 19

 

[Bill]

I disagree... sometimes we need to judge.

1 Cor 5:12; For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

1 Cor 11:13; Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

1 Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.

John 7:24; "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment."

Matt 18:15; "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.

How did you determine your brother sinned? You judged him.

Luke 6:42; "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother's eye.

This verse doesn't say "don't judge", it says make sure you are being a hypocrite if you are going to judge someone.

Sometimes, just determining if something is right or wrong is judging.

Luke 7:43; Simon answered and said, "I suppose the one whom he forgave more." And He said to him, "You have judged correctly."

Acts 16:15; And when she and her household had been baptized, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come into my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us.

1 Cor 6:2; Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

The word discern in Hebrews 5:14; for example...

διάκρισις
diakrisis
dee-ak'-ree-sis
From G1252; judicial estimation: - discern (-ing), disputation.
Total KJV occurrences: 3

The word judicial... comes from "judge". Discerning right from wrong... is judging.

1 Cor 5:11; But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

How can we do this if we don't judge them?

1 Cor 5:13; But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

The root of this word.. is actually translated as "judge" in over a dozen verses.

διακρίνω
diakrinō
dee-ak-ree'-no
From G1223 and G2919; to separate thoroughly, that is, (literally and reflexively) to withdraw from, or (by implication) oppose; figuratively to discriminate (by implication decide), or (reflexively) hesitate: - contend, make (to) differ (-ence), discern, doubt, judge, be partial, stagger, waver.
Total KJV occurrences: 19

I think the confussion is not so much in making a judgement of actions, but judgement of the person.

How often we make simple little judgements of person in our daily lives. And these judgements are ungodly.

We see a begger, unkept, dirty, smelly. What is our reaction.

Or two guys kissing.

And there are many other moments that catch our attention, that will draw conclusions that are not of god.

We jump to the conclusion most immediate in our mind.

These conclusions are not limited to what we see in a physical way, but when it comes to ideology as well.

Someone who walks in the Hindus belief, or a J. W. or anyother non Christian view.

Do we immediately view them as fodder for hell?

Just as the thieves on the crosses mocked Jesus. Still just before death, even though he had just got done mocking Jesus. Repents enough to say, remember me.

So when i look at all those who do not walk with Jesus now, i see them as potential children of God

 

[Born Again 2004]

Agreed, that is what I was trying to imply.

• If you judge( in a negative non-loving way) and falsely say it is discernment, you are probably either a non-believer or a ( not so true) Christian who is living under a bondage of untruth. To be Christian is to discern as a natural by product of the Holy Spirit with in.
• Discernment is a gift from God and perfectly correct but needs to come from love. Look at parts of 1 COR. 13: Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud, It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking,it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
• Discernment that comes from malice of heart or negativity is not discernment, it is judgement and God will judge you for it!

 

[cmd73]

I taught that any man like chuck messler who teaches bible code and was not supported by one biblical teacher (who wrote a book in the bible) makes his teachings not only unbiblical but demonic too......

Someone has said: who are you to judge a godly man? - I believe thats how it went...

So people are we to judge? Yes we are, just as were to expose false teachers to the flock....

Does the verse say: thou shall not judge? No it doesnt.. it says:

Thou shall not judge LEAST YOU BE JUDGED IN LIKE MANNER...

So God lays out right and wrong for Believers......and when we see any man or women doing right or wrong were to look to Gods word and know them by the fruit they produce... we are making judgement calls on them, we are judging.....but by Gods definition of right and wrong which means God is judging them - not that we are God but if we judge a man doing wrong by Gods outline then God also condemns that mans fruit....so likewise when we are judged we as believers want to be judged in a Godly manner just as we have judged....

Thou shall not judged least you be judged in the same manner


Now which of you believers want to know men by their fruits and also be judged in a Godly manner? that means Only God judges you..... and them

You don't need to judge anyone, if you learn how not to blame yourself when people treat you bad. Other people's actions are only a concern when we try to change what we do to change them.