Aurora, Colorado

[Rhema]

On a national basis, nearly all nations reject Jesus. You support the people (not the govt) where God put you... and you do your best to follow God's will. And part of that will is to bless Israel as scripture states.

The thing calling itself Israel isn't Israel. Nothing Israel could curse the name of Jesus.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:​

(Romans 9:6 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[Brad Huber]

The thing calling itself Israel isn't Israel. Nothing Israel could curse the name of Jesus.

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:​

(Romans 9:6 KJV)​

Rhema

And what is your reasoning to believe that Israel the nation is "not" Israel?

 

[Rhema]

And what is your reasoning to believe that Israel the nation is "not" Israel?

They reject the name of Christ.

They may be OF Israel, but they are not Israel. Seems rather self explanatory -

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:​

(Romans 9:6 KJV)​

 

[Brad Huber]

They reject the name of Christ.

They may be OF Israel, but they are not Israel. Seems rather self explanatory -

For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:​

(Romans 9:6 KJV)​

So its personal reasoning. I can understand why you might feel this way, but even scripture supports you being wrong in this.

 

[B-A-C]

even scripture supports you being wrong in this

Rom 11:25; For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
Rom 11:26; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
Rom 11:27; "THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM, WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
Rom 11:28; From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers;
Rom 11:29; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Rom 11:30; For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience,
Rom 11:31; so these also now have been disobedient, that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy.

Rev 2:9; 'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Rev 3:9; 'Behold, I will cause those of the synagogue of Satan, who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—I will make them come and bow down at your feet, and make them know that I have loved you.

 

[Rhema]

So its personal reasoning.

All reasoning is personal. (Who is doing YOUR reasoning if it's not you?) And if it's someone else, then you're likely in a cult.

That said, however, the post by BAC gives sufficient support for having such reason"ing".

I think you make the mistake that I am ANTI-Israel because I am not PRO-Israel, when in fact I am merely Anti-Pro-Israel. I am Anti-Pro-anything that rejects Jesus and the Gospel he preached.

Rhema

 

[Brad Huber]

All reasoning is personal. (Who is doing YOUR reasoning if it's not you?) And if it's someone else, then you're likely in a cult.

That said, however, the post by BAC gives sufficient support for having such reason"ing".

I think you make the mistake that I am ANTI-Israel because I am not PRO-Israel, when in fact I am merely Anti-Pro-Israel. I am Anti-Pro-anything that rejects Jesus and the Gospel he preached.

Rhema

Does that mean you are anti-pro, the lost, who need the word of hope for them? Do you love the lost enough to share the gospel with them? Israel needs the same compassion that the lost do. And there are "some" messianic jews in Israel. Certainly a small amount, but what does the lesson Elijah learned when he was sure that he was the last worshipper of God?

 

[Rhema]

Israel needs the same compassion that the lost do.

Yes, absolutely, because those of Israel (those composing the current nation) are lost. I completely agree. Yet isn't that the same compassion needed by Hamas & Iran? Even Saudi and Muslim?

But that's not the thrust of the modern day Evangelical who supports the nation of Israel to remain as Jews. The purpose of the nation-state of current day Israel is to keep and maintain a home land for Jews to stay Jewish, a Judaism that rejects the name of Christ. To be Pro-Israel is to support that purpose. To be Pro-Israel is to be Anti-Christ. That's not hard to grasp.

How can I be "Pro" any government who main purpose is to keep and maintain a homeland for a certain group of people to not become saved? To stay unsaved? I can't.

But that said, I am NOT pro-anything that would embrace the genocide of Jews, and I believe the nation-state of Israel has the right to militarily defend itself. Salvation is a call to the person, not a thing that can be imposed by a government.

Thanks kindly,
Rhema

And it's a bit unkind to swap up words, putting the word "lost" in my mouth. You knew that's not what I meant. (And if you didn't .... )

(Should I mention that there's a Palestinian Orthodox Christian Boy Scout group? They play wonderful bagpipe.)

 

[Rhema]

what does the lesson Elijah learned when he was sure that he was the last worshipper of God?

That prophets can be wrong when they use their own brains?

 

[Brad Huber]

That prophets can be wrong when they use their own brains?

Well... thats sort of true. Prophets, even true prophets can be wrong about things. God can speak to a man giving him prophetic messages, but then the enemy may come around as an angel of light and speak a half truth and the prophet may think it also is of God. Using the brains God made for us is never wrong, its just that we must learn the difference between the spirits when they speak to us, whether they be from God or satan.
The lesson that Elijah learned though was that there is always more true believers than what they think. Its the enemy who wants us to think that we are alone in serving God or without any safe sanctuary from the enemy for their numbers and control of the populace in general. Hence, there is probably more messianic jews than what you think.

 

[MedicBravo]

Remember when reporters and the MSM used to report on all things?
Good and bad?
Now you have hunt for anything Good as "bad" is being covered and pushed.