Baptist doctrine?
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do you mean the doctrine about baptism?
things like if it is part of the Gospel/
what counts as baptism?
the water baptism of John?
the baptism of the Holy Ghost?
etc?
OR
do you mean the doctrine of the Baptists as in the american style or the many other styles/forms of denominational Baptists?
do you mean the doctrine about baptism?
things like if it is part of the Gospel/
what counts as baptism?
the water baptism of John?
the baptism of the Holy Ghost?
etc?
OR
do you mean the doctrine of the Baptists as in the american style or the many other styles/forms of denominational Baptists?
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It would be a fairly difficult subject to broach unless you narrow it down; there are almost 80 different types of Baptist in the USA.
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I was a student summer missionary for the home mission board of the Southern Baptist Convention back in 1981 and have attended SBC churches for the most part of the past 34 years and it was at a Southern Baptist Church Youth Night that I gave my heart and life to Jesus back in 1979. March 25th to be exact.. just had my re-birthday : ) I spent two years at a very strict Southern Baptist College and I consider myself to be a spirit-filled born again Christ follower (Spirit-filled/ Born again, is quite redundant as to be born again you must be born of the Spirit ie "Sprit Filled) who worships at a Baptist Church. So...
What aspect of what I believe would you like to know about?
What aspect of what I believe would you like to know about?
how about we start with something simple that all baptists are taught. ok, 2 things. one that people are baptist that are members of the baptist denomination and the second once saved always saved. then we can go on to how god is a god of confusion and gives so many different interpretations of his word. all though both are contrary to his word.
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I was raised in and belonged to a Free Will Baptist Church for many years. I (and they) do not believe OSAS. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say God is a god of confusion. Where did that come from? What do you mean people are baptist that are members of the baptist denomonation? That doesn't make sense to me.
so you have never heard the statement that all of your past present and future sins are forgiven you, because you stated a prayer one time in your life. you have never heard it stated that you are now a member of this church therefor you are a baptist. so you are backing up part of my post on that. there are over 400- denominations in the world today and they are all teaching a different doctrine. In that the question is, " is going to give over 400 interpretations of his word? I do not think so because god is not the author of confusion.
I have heard it but Free Will Baptists do not believe that. The Free Will Baptists believe you can backslide.
As for being a Baptist because you belong to that denomination; that is the same as being a methodist because you belong to that denomination.
I fail to see what you are getting at. Although I no longer belong to any denomination, I believe that there are good christians in most denominations.
Do you believe there are no born again children of God in denominational churches?
I do believe denomination can be a problem but isn't always a problem.
Ushalk. The once saved always saved has been dialogued over and over on TJ. However if you do have a specfic area that you would like to talk over about OSAS ok. The different interpretations of His Word are not really very different. Orthodox Christianity has within it a Core of belief's, and those who call themselves Christians are within those core "Doctrine's" or belief's. Those different interpretations are unnecessary for salvation. For example foot washing, baptism by sprinkling or immersing the body under water. Some believe in speaking in tongues others say this gift is no longer used for today. Some as you have mentioned, believe you can fall away from salvation, while most Baptist say faith that falters had a flaw from the first. There are several more areas like this that there are some disagreements. But the Orthodox Christian Doctrines are all the same. I am not an Assemblies of God believer, but I can most assuredly worship and fellowship with those folk. The same is true Lutherans, and other Orthodox Christians.
I can take any Bible, except the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witness, and show anyone how to become a follower of Jesus Christ.
Perhaps no other verse brings Christians together as John 13:35 " By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another." NASB Before any christian speaks wrong of some other christian we would be wise to remember this verse John 13:35. Blessings.
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Point one
Reciting a prayer at some point in the past is not what brings Salvation and forgiveness of sin. Jesus dying on the cross and rising from the dead is what brings salvation and forgiveness of sin for those that...
Now Prayer is talking to God.. and it is through talking to God that you are born of the Spirit of God. It is not the prayer that saves.. Jesus Saves!
Point two
Reminds me of a story.....
But I have to leave and take my daughter to work.. I will see if I can find it later..
Free will is paramount with Baptists isn't it?.....we seek and choose the Kingdom pre-faith as well as choice and freedom as opposed to election.
I thought they didn't agree with "once saved always saved" because that would lead to liberalism.
I thought they didn't agree with "once saved always saved" because that would lead to liberalism.
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Actually I would like to say something more about Point One
I believe that once you are "saved" (born again of the Holy Spirit of God) you will never loose your salvation. When Jesus went to the cross and suffered and died for our sins, He paid the price for ALL sin. (past present and future). I do not believe that anyone who receives the promised gift of the Holy Spirit will be damned. I am also aware that there are lots of posers out there that believe they acquired some "fire insurance" and there was never a change in their heart who will hear "depart from me for I never knew you". Matthew 7:23
ok back to Point two
A Methodist man moved into a traditional Catholic neighborhood. Every Friday during Lent the Catholics are driven crazy because, while they are eating fish, the Methodist is outside barbecuing steaks. So the Catholics devised a plan to convert him to Catholicism.
Finally, after much pleading, the Catholics succeed. They take the Methodist to a priest who sprinkles holy water on him and says, "You were born a Methodist, You were raised a Methodist, but now you are a Catholic."
The Catholics are ecstatic. No more deliciously maddening smells every Friday evening.
The next Friday evening came, the scent of barbecue wafts through the neighborhood again. The Catholics all rush to the Methodist's house to remind him of his new diet.
They see him standing over a sizzling steak on his grill. He is sprinkling water on the meat and saying, "You were born a cow, Your were raised a cow, Now you are a fish."
Labels like "Baptist" or "Methodist" "foot" or "arm" etc are only labels. What does matter is Christ Crucified, being born of the Holy Spirit and becoming part of the Body of Christ. (1 Corinthians chapter 12)..
You can be the nose and I will be an arm pit...we will probably continue to disagree but I will take solace in that the arm pit is closer to the heart....
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I believe that once you are "saved" (born again of the Holy Spirit of God) you will never loose your salvation. When Jesus went to the cross and suffered and died for our sins, He paid the price for ALL sin. (past present and future). I do not believe that anyone who receives the promised gift of the Holy Spirit will be damned. I am also aware that there are lots of posers out there that believe they acquired some "fire insurance" and there was never a change in their heart who will hear "depart from me for I never knew you". Matthew 7:23
ok back to Point two
A Methodist man moved into a traditional Catholic neighborhood. Every Friday during Lent the Catholics are driven crazy because, while they are eating fish, the Methodist is outside barbecuing steaks. So the Catholics devised a plan to convert him to Catholicism.
Finally, after much pleading, the Catholics succeed. They take the Methodist to a priest who sprinkles holy water on him and says, "You were born a Methodist, You were raised a Methodist, but now you are a Catholic."
The Catholics are ecstatic. No more deliciously maddening smells every Friday evening.
The next Friday evening came, the scent of barbecue wafts through the neighborhood again. The Catholics all rush to the Methodist's house to remind him of his new diet.
They see him standing over a sizzling steak on his grill. He is sprinkling water on the meat and saying, "You were born a cow, Your were raised a cow, Now you are a fish."
Labels like "Baptist" or "Methodist" "foot" or "arm" etc are only labels. What does matter is Christ Crucified, being born of the Holy Spirit and becoming part of the Body of Christ. (1 Corinthians chapter 12)..
You can be the nose and I will be an arm pit...we will probably continue to disagree but I will take solace in that the arm pit is closer to the heart....
: )
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I've been in baptist churches pretty much all of my Christian life. I believe once saved always saved, and as a result I believe there are a lot of false converts because there is a promise of sanctification in scripture (1john in particular) not to be confused with working your way into heaven, which is impossible... I've personally been back sliden, but I still felt conviction of sin, I just tried to harden my heart, and God allows you to, but the Spirit literally overwhelms you. So if you live habitually sinful and never make steps forward I'd suggest you need to get saved. you have a knowledge of God but you don't know Him.
As far as baptism the moment you are saved you are baptized by the spirit. I relate baptism by water to a marriage ceremony. When a man marries a woman he puts a ring on her finger and she wears it proudly. The same goes for the bride of Christ, that is the church, which is simply a gathering of believers, once you've said "I do" you get baptized, putting on your ring, symbolizing to the passers by you have a new Lord. baptism by water is not required to be saved, and it does not save by itself. It's simple a symbol and act of obedience.
As far as the translations I believe God can use just about anything to save a man. Scripture says the heavens declare his glory. But I do cling to my KJV for a reason. the primary reason would be 1John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
bibles like the NIV and others have either completely removed this verse or severely altered it, and I see it as an attempt to strip the God hood of Christ. I could continue, but anyone reading this, I'd simply say, study the issue if the Spirit leads you.
That said my dad uses an NIV and I feel he's saved as he loves Christ, studies his bible, has devotion time, wars with sin, ect. He shows fruits, though I suppose we can't truly know another mans heart, he believes Jesus is God despite his watered down translation.
As far as baptism the moment you are saved you are baptized by the spirit. I relate baptism by water to a marriage ceremony. When a man marries a woman he puts a ring on her finger and she wears it proudly. The same goes for the bride of Christ, that is the church, which is simply a gathering of believers, once you've said "I do" you get baptized, putting on your ring, symbolizing to the passers by you have a new Lord. baptism by water is not required to be saved, and it does not save by itself. It's simple a symbol and act of obedience.
As far as the translations I believe God can use just about anything to save a man. Scripture says the heavens declare his glory. But I do cling to my KJV for a reason. the primary reason would be 1John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
bibles like the NIV and others have either completely removed this verse or severely altered it, and I see it as an attempt to strip the God hood of Christ. I could continue, but anyone reading this, I'd simply say, study the issue if the Spirit leads you.
That said my dad uses an NIV and I feel he's saved as he loves Christ, studies his bible, has devotion time, wars with sin, ect. He shows fruits, though I suppose we can't truly know another mans heart, he believes Jesus is God despite his watered down translation.
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Too many toes and not enough arm pits?
Seriously, If Calvary is our common ground, then we are all part of the same body (1 Corinthians 12).
Does it matter that I was sprinkled (twice) and dunked? No! That is not what "matters".
Does it matter if I can speak with the tongues of men and of angels? Does it matter if I have the gift of prophecy and understand all mysteries and all knowledge? Does it matter if I have faith to move mountains? Does it matter if I give all that I have to feed the poor? Does it matter if I am murdered for my faith?
What will matter is how I loved: not some label placed upon me because I worship at a Baptist Church. BTW I attend an awesome Baptist Church. Eagles Landing First Baptist Church in McDonough GA.
This is our "Statement of Faith"
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That is humanity for you.
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[h=4]1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.[/h]
I am not in a denomination, nor am I currently suffering from non-denominational pride so I can only present my heart to you, and not some "church doctrine".
Just me personally:
I know that I am saved (1Jn 3:14 ), I know that only those who never really gave Him their heart will be lost (1Jn 2:19 , Mat_13:19 - 22). I am not letting go of Him, and He is not letting go of me, nothing can wrest me from His hand (John 10: 28, Rom 10:9- 10 ), so I am eternally secure in my salvation.
I am not in a denomination, nor am I currently suffering from non-denominational pride so I can only present my heart to you, and not some "church doctrine".
Just me personally:
I know that I am saved (1Jn 3:14 ), I know that only those who never really gave Him their heart will be lost (1Jn 2:19 , Mat_13:19 - 22). I am not letting go of Him, and He is not letting go of me, nothing can wrest me from His hand (John 10: 28, Rom 10:9- 10 ), so I am eternally secure in my salvation.
I don't want to disappoint you but I guess you will find out sometime.. the KJV has verses and words added into it.. the KJV was written by the Church of England for the purpose of the Church of England, authorized by the head of the church of England, King James. NIV and other translations have translated as accurately as possible from the source texts.. without the additional verses that the KJV has added in. So it's not that the NIV is "watered down".. but the KJV was "watered up". A quick google search on the history of the King James and this issue will reveal this, it is quite interesting.
