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[Chad]

I disagree with you wiseworm. Islam IS from satan. It is obviously NOT from GOD. GOD gave us the Holy Bible. Anything else is not from GOD, therefore, it is from Satan himself. "Their" [Islams] god is not OUR GOD. Our GOD is the only GOD, the GOD of the Holy Bible. Their god is a non living, satan inspired false illusion of a god. They do not believe in the same GOD at all. Be careful how you phrase things because you totally went off route by saying their god is our GOD.

Read this: http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-answers/13580-islam.html

On a side note, stay on topic to what this thread is about.

 

[wiseworm]

Sorry Chad but I have never been a yes man.

I stand by what I believe with as much fervour as you.

I can see that a lot of effort went into your thoughtful Islam dissertation.

We all make our thought associations from that which we know. Your knowledge is certainly not limited but then neither is mine. Just different reference points for our associations - is all.

The Qu'ran claims 99 excellent names for God.

Our English word 'God' is derived from the German and means 'the good'. The aramaic is ALAHA. The hebrew is ELOHIM. The arabic is ALLAH.

These all come from the roots of AIL and EL which mean to aid, help, sustain, succour and to defend.

Same Name Same God.

Muhammud is said to have remembered the words of the angel Gabriel when he wrote (although some say he didnt) the Qu'ran. I cant see that Mighty Messenger of God as having a different agenda.

Sorry if I went off track - I dont mean to step out of line - I was simply responding to what I believed was an uncalled for denigration and disrespect - no love in that.

 

[Cody]

The qu'ran belongs in the trash.

Information on Islam

 

[Chad]

Amen Cody. Unfortunately some try to sugar coat things, or simply lack knowledge of the TRUE WORD of GOD. They go by their own understanding instead of what GOD says.

wiseworm, common sense should tell you if Islam believed in the same GOD of the Holy Bible, then they would FOLLOW THE HOLY BIBLE!

Do not preach anything out of Scripture here if you do not mind. This site is about glorifying GOD in Jesus Christ, nothing else.

 

[wiseworm]

To Cody and Chad.

Brothers in Christ we are. I dont find denigrating remarks of any kind to be Christlike at all. The same blood of Jesus' supreme sacrifice cleansed my sins in love as well as yours and all those who believe.

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man...

The Jews believe in the same God also.

I do not think that I am preaching 'out' of scripture here. I too believe that to Glorify God in Jesus Christ is one of the best things that a man can do and wish to do that with all my might all the days of my life...

What gets me is the unchristlike manner with which these things are said... Regardless of whether there is another point of view - ungracious war talk is not peace talk.

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.

God loves them too and gracious words will win them - not demeaning remarks...

 

[spirit1st]

The TRUTH sets us FREE!
WE are saved though the Simple GOSPEL!

But of Course Love is Very important.

But all should vote , if they find one they could vote for?

We vote in our leaders as the leaders go? So goes the nation!

Kind of like our own household, As the leader of the house is , so the house is blessed or suffers!

 

[Chad]

To Cody and Chad.

Brothers in Christ we are. I dont find denigrating remarks of any kind to be Christlike at all. The same blood of Jesus' supreme sacrifice cleansed my sins in love as well as yours and all those who believe.

Colossians 4:6
Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man...

The Jews believe in the same God also.

I do not think that I am preaching 'out' of scripture here. I too believe that to Glorify God in Jesus Christ is one of the best things that a man can do and wish to do that with all my might all the days of my life...

What gets me is the unchristlike manner with which these things are said... Regardless of whether there is another point of view - ungracious war talk is not peace talk.

Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.

God loves them too and gracious words will win them - not demeaning remarks...

You went completely off key again. No one was giving you "degenerate" remarks. How is that you accuse me and Cody of this? We simply spoke the truth. Can you not receive correction like a humble man? If my stern "remarks" bother you, sorry but I cannot help it as I speak to glorify GOD by speaking truth only without hesitation, without swaying around and without excuses, nor exceptions of any kind.

GOD loves anyone who believes in Islam sure, but that has nothing to do with your original comment about Islam believing in the same One and only GOD of the Holy Bible. Why can't you see that? Be humble and consider correction in love instead of assuming it was ungracious love. Seriously.

 

[rizen1]

Very well said Spirit1st.

The TRUTH sets us FREE!
WE are saved though the Simple GOSPEL!

knowledge is power, educating ourselves about the issues and who the candidates are is vital.

As christians we walk by faith and not by sight,
the media would tells us who to elect and who to reject,
but because we have the Holy Spirit in us, our choice should be based on that.

Islam is not of God, and allah is not God.
God bless everyone.

The question was who is Obama ?

 

[wiseworm]

These are the remarks that I refer to as demeaning:

Spirit1st;
islam was started by satan. it has no mercy or love!
It is bondage!
I do not hate muslims, I hate they god they serve!

we cannot fellowship with satans kids!

These are not words spoken in Love... Whether you believe them to be true or not. it is demeaning to call all Muslims 'satans kids'

Cody;
The qu'ran belongs in the trash.

To trash someone elses beliefs may give a sense of power but that doesnt make it right.

Chad;
Amen to that.

You agreed and in so doing joined in with their demeaning remarks.

That is not Christlike - what anyone says or thinks about me is irrelevant... I know in whom I have believed and stand firm in Him who is the Saviour of the world. - JESUS.

I really expected a bit more maturity from the leaders here...

 

[Chad]

These are the remarks that I refer to as demeaning:

Spirit1st;
islam was started by satan. it has no mercy or love!
It is bondage!
I do not hate muslims, I hate they god they serve!

we cannot fellowship with satans kids!

These are not words spoken in Love... Whether you believe them to be true or not. it is demeaning to call all Muslims 'satans kids'

Cody;
The qu'ran belongs in the trash.

To trash someone elses beliefs may give a sense of power but that doesnt make it right.

Chad;
Amen to that.

You agreed and in so doing joined in with their demeaning remarks.

That is not Christlike - what anyone says or thinks about me is irrelevant... I know in whom I have believed and stand firm in Him who is the Saviour of the world. - JESUS.

I really expected a bit more maturity from the leaders here...

Maturity? Well since you find us immature and you have the audacity to put our GOD in the same "belief" phrase of Islamic culture, then you can just preach elsewhere. Apparently you "wiseworm" must be so holier than thou that you quote all of us and have a problem with everyone's quote here except your own. That is what I call foolish. Goodbye.

 

[Mouse]

To say that Islam was started by satan is like saying satan created Adam and Eve. To hate their God is to hate your God. It's the same God. My God and Your God and 'their' God is the same God.

WHOAA! :shock: :shock: Did you say Islam's god is the same god as our christian God? You have been duped by the devil. Islam's god didn't send His only Son Jesus Christ to die for our sins. Neither did the jewish god.

The islam's god also created the world in a different way than that of our God. How do you figure that we all have the same god? You think it's just a name that separates? It's not the name, it's the character and all three gods (islam/muslim, jewish and christian) have god as a different character. In some ways it's similar but they still contradict each other.

I would like to state my intake on why I believe the islam/mulsim religion is not from God but from the devil. When the archangel Gabriel appeared to Mohammud in the cave, Gabriel said to him: "Read in the name of your Lord Who created, created man from a clot." How could Gabriel, God's archangel get the creation of man wrong?? That would be a little weird don't you think? It's because that wasn't the Archangel Gabriel at all! So who was it? Read 2 Corinthians 11:14 "And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."


We do not worship the same god. That is dangerously and deadly wrong and I don't see how you can possibly argue this and tell me/us that all these gods are the same. To say that is to aide the devil in his work to deceive mankind.

God bless you.

Deception is the devil's best tool. Let us all thank the Lord Jesus Christ for showing us the truth and let us be aware of false prophets and antichrists. Amen.

 

[spirit1st]

This is the god of islam!

In one place alcohol was forbidden; in another it was allowed(compare Surah 5:90–91 with Surah 47:15). In one place it says Christians are very good people who love and worship one God, so you may be friends with them (Surah 2:62, 3:113–114). Then you find other verses that say Christians must convert, pay tax or be killed by the sword (Surah 9:29 ). The scholars had theological solutions to these problems, but I wondered how Allah, almighty and all powerful, could either contradict himself so much or change his mind so much.

Even the prophet of Islam, Muhammad, practiced his faith in ways that contradicted the Quran. The Quran said Muhammad was sent to show the mercy of God to the world. But he became a military dictator, attacking, killing and taking plunder to finance his empire. How is that showing mercy? Allah, the god revealed in the Quran, is not a loving father. It says that he desires to lead people astray (Surah 6:39 , 126). He does not help those who are led astray by him (Surah 30:29) and desires to use them to populate hell (Surah 32:13).


I took this from a imans testamony that is posted in this site. He is now a christain after much suffering!