Barrack Hussein Obama and the Antichrist

[dtg108]

I really don't believe Obama could be the Antichrist because he's almost halfway through his second term (unless he refuses to leave office and that's when his Identity is revealed) but what about false prophet? Let's look at some things:

For one thing, the second beast (False Prophet) will have “two horns like a lamb” but will speak “like a dragon” <nobr>(Revelation 13:11).</nobr> Perhaps looking like a “lamb” means appearing to be a “Christian,” which Obama claims to be (although I neither believe nor accept it). Indeed, Obama does appear to be a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”(Book of Matthew)<nobr>.

many people believed that John the Baptist was the prophesied Messiah; yet he adamantly insisted that he was not. Furthermore, he pointed to the One who was the Messiah: Jesus.</nobr><nobr>Similarly, it can be expected that the False Prophet will deny being the one who can save humanity from utter destruction, yet point to the man he believes has the best chance of doing so: the Antichrist.
The latter, ultimately, will be both a substitute for, as well as opposed to, God (</nobr><nobr>Thessalonians 2:4)</nobr><nobr> and against the true Messiah/Christ, Jesus.</nobr>
<nobr></nobr>
Barack Obama, like John the Baptist, rose from utter obscurity to great fame. Even while he was running for the office of President of the USA, Obama gathered phenomenally large crowds of people, worldwide, numerous times. Many have affirmed their belief that he is the Messiah, or at least have insinuated or joked that he is. Again, Louis Farrakhan has stated, “A black man with a white mother became a savior to us.” However, I have heard Obama assert that he is neither a savior nor a messiah. It is very interesting to me that Obama has felt a need to state this.

The world’s socio-economic (and other) disasters are escalating, unchecked. I fully expect that overcoming the mounting problems, debts, and deficits of the USA, especially in relation to the rest of the world, will become an overwhelmingly futile task for the young, inexperienced President Obama. John the Baptist ultimately pointed to Jesus as being the Savior of the world. Likewise, perhaps Obama, as the False Prophet, will point to another man, being convinced that he is the only person who can “save the world.”

Once the world’s socio-economic system falls apart, President Barack Obama—arguably the most famous man in the world for a time—may direct the entire global community toward a man, the Antichrist, as the one who can “pick up the pieces” and save humanity before we destroy ourselves. If so, it will not be long afterwards that we will enter the Great Tribulation—the worst period in human history up to that point <nobr>(Matthew 24:21).</nobr>

I would be interested to see what Eric E Stahlhas to say about this.

 

[farout]

I really don't believe Obama could be the Antichrist because he's almost halfway through his second term (unless he refuses to leave office and that's when his Identity is revealed) but what about false prophet? Let's look at some things:

For one thing, the second beast (False Prophet) will have “two horns like a lamb” but will speak “like a dragon” <NOBR>(Revelation 13:11).</NOBR> Perhaps looking like a “lamb” means appearing to be a “Christian,” which Obama claims to be (although I neither believe nor accept it). Indeed, Obama does appear to be a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”(Book of Matthew)<NOBR>.

many people believed that John the Baptist was the prophesied Messiah; yet he adamantly insisted that he was not. Furthermore, he pointed to the One who was the Messiah: Jesus.</NOBR><NOBR>Similarly, it can be expected that the False Prophet will deny being the one who can save humanity from utter destruction, yet point to the man he believes has the best chance of doing so: the Antichrist.
The latter, ultimately, will be both a substitute for, as well as opposed to, God (</NOBR><NOBR>Thessalonians 2:4)</NOBR><NOBR> and against the true Messiah/Christ, Jesus.</NOBR>
<NOBR></NOBR>
Barack Obama, like John the Baptist, rose from utter obscurity to great fame. Even while he was running for the office of President of the USA, Obama gathered phenomenally large crowds of people, worldwide, numerous times. Many have affirmed their belief that he is the Messiah, or at least have insinuated or joked that he is. Again, Louis Farrakhan has stated, “A black man with a white mother became a savior to us.” However, I have heard Obama assert that he is neither a savior nor a messiah. It is very interesting to me that Obama has felt a need to state this.

The world’s socio-economic (and other) disasters are escalating, unchecked. I fully expect that overcoming the mounting problems, debts, and deficits of the USA, especially in relation to the rest of the world, will become an overwhelmingly futile task for the young, inexperienced President Obama. John the Baptist ultimately pointed to Jesus as being the Savior of the world. Likewise, perhaps Obama, as the False Prophet, will point to another man, being convinced that he is the only person who can “save the world.”

Once the world’s socio-economic system falls apart, President Barack Obama—arguably the most famous man in the world for a time—may direct the entire global community toward a man, the Antichrist, as the one who can “pick up the pieces” and save humanity before we destroy ourselves. If so, it will not be long afterwards that we will enter the Great Tribulation—the worst period in human history up to that point <NOBR>(Matthew 24:21).</NOBR>

I would be interested to see what Eric E Stahlhas to say about this.

dtg108: Mr. Obama is not "the" Antichrist, but he done things that are antichristian, and clearly not Biblical. However Scripture clearly says Mr. Obama is in office because the Lord has allowed him to be President. As such it is our responsibility to pray for M.r. Obama and show Christian respect for him. Mr. Obama inturn has a heavy burden, in that Mr. Obama is and will be held accountable to God Almighty for the choices he has made and the legislated into law with the encouragement and full support of the Democratic party. Mr. Obama has shoved abortion, homosexuality, and unbiblical marriage down the throat's of the Christian and Jewish community almost as if these actions were his agenda from the begining.

The worst of all that has been accomplished by Mr. Obama is about to be revealed before our eyes. Obama-Care. Obama-care exacerbates under the guise of health care for everyone and no preexisting conditions will stop anyone from getting Health Insurance. The ObamaCare is as our Higest Court has said, is a tax. This year you must give proof that you have health insurance of the IRS will fine you and keep that fine out of any tax return. There a some people that are unaware of this. So some family of four children just above proverty and counting on their tax rethrn to pay bills on, may well be "taxed" out of their tax return.

There are stipulations that require employers to have benefits for free birth control. This is totally against the Biblical belief of many employer's, yet those in charge of Obamacare have responded with closed ears and heart's. The latest report for men older than 74, there is no bebefit payments for treatment of prostrate cancer. This is just one example of how callous our government has become.

Anti Christ as the Bible describes it, it is anyone who is not a Christian. President Obama says he is a christian. My suggestion is to pray for Mr. Obama as often as you think about him. The weight of the burdens that rests on his back , and the accountability to God Almighty is awesome. I believe Mr. Obama has made some choices that are clearly unbiblical, and present serious skepticism for some christians. Mr. Obama has shown inclusiveness in his administration to Muslims in high positions. Some question the wisdom of placing Muslims in such positions, of authority. The Koran iidentifies anyone who is not a Muslim as a "infedel" especially Christian' and Jew's". There seems to be a discrepancy in what the Koran says and what some Muslims believe. Some think Mr. Obama has demonstrated oblivious discernment to the possibility there might be a conflict of interest in being a Muslim and loyality to serving the United states of America.

There needs to be care in suggesting anyone is the "anitchrist" in the book of Revelation. To suggest someone "appears" or is "for sure" is the antichrist seems unwise given the harm to ones reputation, and makes the accuser appear foolish. A man or woman who is not for Jesus Christ is against Jesus Christ that we know because the Bible says so. Blessings and welcome to Talk Jesus.


farout

 

[blackbear4110]

Hmm...I never thought about that before.
I've heard some say they think Obama was the Antichrist, but this seems more plausible.
Idk, I guess we'll just have to watch and pray. Obviously, even if Obama isn't the Antichrist, he's still not someone we as Christians should look up to or pattern our lives after. He's still pulling some pretty nasty stuff on our nation, sending it further down the hole.

 

[dtg108]

dtg108: Mr. Obama is not "the" Antichrist, but he done things that are antichristian, and clearly not Biblical. However Scripture clearly says Mr. Obama is in office because the Lord has allowed him to be President. As such it is our responsibility to pray for M.r. Obama and show Christian respect for him. Mr. Obama inturn has a heavy burden, in that Mr. Obama is and will be held accountable to God Almighty for the choices he has made and the legislated into law with the encouragement and full support of the Democratic party. Mr. Obama has shoved abortion, homosexuality, and unbiblical marriage down the throat's of the Christian and Jewish community almost as if these actions were his agenda from the begining.

The worst of all that has been accomplished by Mr. Obama is about to be revealed before our eyes. Obama-Care. Obama-care exacerbates under the guise of health care for everyone and no preexisting conditions will stop anyone from getting Health Insurance. The ObamaCare is as our Higest Court has said, is a tax. This year you must give proof that you have health insurance of the IRS will fine you and keep that fine out of any tax return. There a some people that are unaware of this. So some family of four children just above proverty and counting on their tax rethrn to pay bills on, may well be "taxed" out of their tax return.

There are stipulations that require employers to have benefits for free birth control. This is totally against the Biblical belief of many employer's, yet those in charge of Obamacare have responded with closed ears and heart's. The latest report for men older than 74, there is no bebefit payments for treatment of prostrate cancer. This is just one example of how callous our government has become.

Anti Christ as the Bible describes it, it is anyone who is not a Christian. President Obama says he is a christian. My suggestion is to pray for Mr. Obama as often as you think about him. The weight of the burdens that rests on his back , and the accountability to God Almighty is awesome. I believe Mr. Obama has made some choices that are clearly unbiblical, and present serious skepticism for some christians. Mr. Obama has shown inclusiveness in his administration to Muslims in high positions. Some question the wisdom of placing Muslims in such positions, of authority. The Koran iidentifies anyone who is not a Muslim as a "infedel" especially Christian' and Jew's". There seems to be a discrepancy in what the Koran says and what some Muslims believe. Some think Mr. Obama has demonstrated oblivious discernment to the possibility there might be a conflict of interest in being a Muslim and loyality to serving the United states of America.

There needs to be care in suggesting anyone is the "anitchrist" in the book of Revelation. To suggest someone "appears" or is "for sure" is the antichrist seems unwise given the harm to ones reputation, and makes the accuser appear foolish. A man or woman who is not for Jesus Christ is against Jesus Christ that we know because the Bible says so. Blessings and welcome to Talk Jesus.


farout

I didn't state that he was the antichrist. I said he probably wasn't. blackbear, thanks.

 

[brakelite]

I really don't believe Obama could be the Antichrist because he's almost halfway through his second term (unless he refuses to leave office and that's when his Identity is revealed) but what about false prophet? Let's look at some things:

For one thing, the second beast (False Prophet) will have “two horns like a lamb” but will speak “like a dragon” <nobr>(Revelation 13:11).</nobr> Perhaps looking like a “lamb” means appearing to be a “Christian,” which Obama claims to be (although I neither believe nor accept it). Indeed, Obama does appear to be a “wolf in sheep’s clothing”(Book of Matthew)<nobr>.

many people believed that John the Baptist was the prophesied Messiah; yet he adamantly insisted that he was not. Furthermore, he pointed to the One who was the Messiah: Jesus.</nobr><nobr>Similarly, it can be expected that the False Prophet will deny being the one who can save humanity from utter destruction, yet point to the man he believes has the best chance of doing so: the Antichrist.
The latter, ultimately, will be both a substitute for, as well as opposed to, God (</nobr><nobr>Thessalonians 2:4)</nobr><nobr> and against the true Messiah/Christ, Jesus.</nobr>
<nobr></nobr>
Barack Obama, like John the Baptist, rose from utter obscurity to great fame. Even while he was running for the office of President of the USA, Obama gathered phenomenally large crowds of people, worldwide, numerous times. Many have affirmed their belief that he is the Messiah, or at least have insinuated or joked that he is. Again, Louis Farrakhan has stated, “A black man with a white mother became a savior to us.” However, I have heard Obama assert that he is neither a savior nor a messiah. It is very interesting to me that Obama has felt a need to state this.

The world’s socio-economic (and other) disasters are escalating, unchecked. I fully expect that overcoming the mounting problems, debts, and deficits of the USA, especially in relation to the rest of the world, will become an overwhelmingly futile task for the young, inexperienced President Obama. John the Baptist ultimately pointed to Jesus as being the Savior of the world. Likewise, perhaps Obama, as the False Prophet, will point to another man, being convinced that he is the only person who can “save the world.”

Once the world’s socio-economic system falls apart, President Barack Obama—arguably the most famous man in the world for a time—may direct the entire global community toward a man, the Antichrist, as the one who can “pick up the pieces” and save humanity before we destroy ourselves. If so, it will not be long afterwards that we will enter the Great Tribulation—the worst period in human history up to that point <nobr>(Matthew 24:21).</nobr>

I would be interested to see what Eric E Stahlhas to say about this.

An interesting perspective dtg. and one I can find much in agreement with. However, I do have a slight variation. Throughout scripture the enemies of Israel in the OT and of the church in the NT have one thing in common with regards to prophecy. All those enemies were represented by beasts in prophecy. And those beasts, without exception, were nations or empires , not individuals. This is the same for the NT in particular as one reads Revelation 13, one can see that the first beast that rises there, who most Bible scholars agree is a representative of the antichrist, is a composite beast of the four beast of Daniel, all enemies of Israel, and all empires. Thus to be consistent this fifth beast, which I maintain is the little horn of Daniel 7 now grown up into a beast in its own right, is also a nation, or a political entity, as opposed to an individual.

No less so is the second beast of Revelation 13, the one that rises from the earth, and which most agree is the false prophet. Again, I maintain that consistency demands this beast be recognised as a nation also. You are right in that the false prophet points to the antichrist as the healer and false messiah of a desperate world. But rather than Obama, I am convinced it is the US government, once having two horns as a lamb (representing innocence and Christlikeness in her early years) but now speaking as a dragon. She was also once a strictly Protestant nation, reflecting the hopes and liberty of the world in the form of a nation without a king, and a religion without a pope. This also has changed recently, and quite dramatically. And the nation she promotes? I suggest a now closed thread "Were they right" to find my answer to that.

 

[blackbear4110]

An interesting perspective dtg. and one I can find much in agreement with. However, I do have a slight variation. Throughout scripture the enemies of Israel in the OT and of the church in the NT have one thing in common with regards to prophecy. All those enemies were represented by beasts in prophecy. And those beasts, without exception, were nations or empires , not individuals. This is the same for the NT in particular as one reads Revelation 13, one can see that the first beast that rises there, who most Bible scholars agree is a representative of the antichrist, is a composite beast of the four beast of Daniel, all enemies of Israel, and all empires. Thus to be consistent this fifth beast, which I maintain is the little horn of Daniel 7 now grown up into a beast in its own right, is also a nation, or a political entity, as opposed to an individual.

No less so is the second beast of Revelation 13, the one that rises from the earth, and which most agree is the false prophet. Again, I maintain that consistency demands this beast be recognised as a nation also. You are right in that the false prophet points to the antichrist as the healer and false messiah of a desperate world. But rather than Obama, I am convinced it is the US government, once having two horns as a lamb (representing innocence and Christlikeness in her early years) but now speaking as a dragon. She was also once a strictly Protestant nation, reflecting the hopes and liberty of the world in the form of a nation without a king, and a religion without a pope. This also has changed recently, and quite dramatically. And the nation she promotes? I suggest a now closed thread "Were they right" to find my answer to that.

I have always thought of Revelation and the end-times as exciting...for it will be most wonderful to see our Lord and Savior coming back to reign as King of kings.
However, I have never gotten much into end-times discussions and/or debates.
But something I thought was worth mentioning, after reading your comment about the beast being a nation: I heard someone suggest the United Nations might possibly be the Antichrist. But, like farout stated, I don't want to go around determining who is or isn't the Antichrist. I just thought it was interesting.

 

[dtg108]

Good point, brakelite. What about the 10 heads? Could those be leaders? blackbear, I think that the Antichrist will be a person, but he may find his power through the UN.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

Good point, brakelite. What about the 10 heads? Could those be leaders? blackbear, I think that the Antichrist will be a person, but he may find his power through the UN.

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God will cause ever one that heard the truth of the gospel and rejected Jesus to believe the lie of the antichrist! There will be no 2nd chance to get saved during the tribulation for those that said not yet.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-12
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God chooses the antichrist by making people believe him! The Christian nations of the west will be his power base from which he will conquer the world.

 

[Boanerges]

B H Obama is not the anti-Christ but merely a mega baby killing anti-Christ.
1Jn 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

[brakelite]

Good point, brakelite. What about the 10 heads? Could those be leaders? blackbear, I think that the Antichrist will be a person, but he may find his power through the UN.

Hi dtg. A little correction. The beast of Rev.13:1 had seven heads, and ten horns. God is concerned for His people. prophecy is centered around those entities which have had (concerning those prophecies which have already come to pass) or will have on God's people. In history, the Bible reveals to us the main powers which have turned out to be the most resolute enemies of God's people. In the OT there were four. All predicted by Daniel and seen in vision as four beasts. These represented four empires. Babylon, Meda-Persia, Greece, and Rome. The first vision of Nebuchadnezzars which Daniel interpreted revealed a continuing non-stop timetable from Babylon all the way down to the second coming. I believe we can legitimately understand Babylon to having its beginning with the tower of Babel, and accept secular authorites in their agreement with Biblical history that name Nimrod as Babylons first king. Babylon passed on much of her pagan Chaldean mysteries on to all the successive empires; Persia, Greece, and Rome. The feet of the statue however still reveal the iron of Rome at the time of the second coming, but in a different form. This I am convinced is the papacy, for she too has inherited much, maybe even more, of the pagan Babylonian belief system.
The 7 heads represent those powers which are comprised of Babylonian corruptions and form the entire "babylon the Great" spoken of later in Revelations. The first four empires being four heads, and the historical enemies of truth in the NT making up the final 3. Catholicism, Atheism, and apostate Protestantism.
The ten heads which we see growing from this beast are yet future. There is evidence that the whole world is to be divided into ten regions under the coming global government. Are these perhaps the ten horns? Maybe.

Just a little PS. There maybe some who would challenge me as to why there are 3 seemingly non political entities in the NT whereas I have gone on record stating that beasts are political. Let me briefly explain. First, the essence of pagan philosophy is founded a great deal on a church/state union. This has been the case throughout much of history. The priests had great power and influence wherever paganism developed, and retained sole rights to interpreting religious matters, in particularly in the Roman church with regards the interpretation of scripture and establishing dogma.
The papacy is very much a political state.Incidentally, the church/state union of the papacy 'head' was mortally wounded in 1798 when the French revolutionary armies under Napoleon entered Rome and took the pope captive, disbanding the papal states and the college of cardinals. The papacy came to life again as a church state union in 1929 when Mussolini returned the Vatican city to the pope.

Secondly, many historians would agree that modern atheism had its roots in the French revolution. France was the first state that offically declared in its general assemblhy that God was dead, that religion be banned, that secularism was now the new god. Communism developed from here. Thus athesim in its beginnings also had a political perspective, and can be seen even today, with the more evangelical atheists lobbying governments the world over to teach evolutionary theories etc.

Thirdly, the case of the final head. Revelation 13 speaks of the false prophet making an 'image' of the frist beast. Thus another church/state union is yet to come, an image of the papal union that had gone before. This new church/state union (the false prophet) will lead the world in subjection to the first, the papacy. I believe this second union is an apostate form of protestantism in the US. The US government will be so subverted that she will trample upon the constitution and begin to legislate on behalf of the church. The intense lobbying by many we witness today; the tea party; the republican party that is now so captured by the conservative right wing; a presidency since Reagan captivated by papal influence; a Catholic majority now on the Supreme Court bench and a Supreme Court willing to reninterpret the constitution etc etc. 7 heads, 7 enemies to truth.

 

[Number0neSon]

I suggest a now closed thread "Were they right" to find my answer to that.

The thread isn't closed...not sure where you got that idea. But I guess that explains why I didn't hear back from you after my last post.

 

[s.i.e.]

A witch-hunt thread...nice! Let's carry on the wonderful and rich history that Christendom has demonstrated in the ages before us, so that we can have yet one more thing to stop us from looking at our own logs in our eyeballs.

What logs? I can't see them! ...but that darned Obama...that dude is Satan incarnate...and somehow that might affect my own spirituality, and relationship between me and Christ!?&$!!!

Super helpful.

When did Christianity lose so much of its relevancy?

 

[james1523]

If Obama can say Jesus is Lord and mean it, then according to the Bible 1 Cor 12:3 he is not anti-Christ but one of God's children.

The beast has something to do with the 10 horns or kings in Daniel 7 and Rev 17 and these 10 formed the EU originally in 2004 and note that these countries were originally part of the Roman Empire, and retain Roman style thought and philosophy (dictatorial democracies etc) . Anyone who has been to the great Roman cathedrals in Europe as I have can clearly see this and the religious dark-age which is throughout Europe.

 

[B-A-C]

God will cause ever one that heard the truth of the gospel and rejected Jesus to believe the lie of the antichrist! There will be no 2nd chance to get saved during the tribulation for those that said not yet.

I personally disagree, in fact I think there will be a great harvest during the tribulation.

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5; The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

I know many on here don't believe in a pre-trib rapture, (some don't believe in a rapture at all) but I do, and my personal opinion is, you will find very few empty churches the day after the rapture.
The people that could lead them to the truth will be gone. But there will be books, videos, the Bible, and a lot of people will remember they heard about this day, but never believed it would really happen.

Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15; "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.

 

[B-A-C]

I personally disagree, in fact I think there will be a great harvest during the tribulation.

Also during the tribulation is when the 144,000 Jews will declare Christ.
Rev 7:2; And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3; saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."
Rev 7:4; And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:

 

[Eric E Stahl]

I personally disagree, in fact I think there will be a great harvest during the tribulation.

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:5; The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

I know many on here don't believe in a pre-trib rapture, (some don't believe in a rapture at all) but I do, and my personal opinion is, you will find very few empty churches the day after the rapture.
The people that could lead them to the truth will be gone. But there will be books, videos, the Bible, and a lot of people will remember they heard about this day, but never believed it would really happen.

Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15; "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.

Yes, millions will be saved during the tribulation. One third of the Jews alive when the tribulation starts will get saved.

God will cause everyone that heard the truth of the gospel and said no to Jesus to believe the lie of antichrist.
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I am sorry for all you who have unsaved loved ones!!!!!!! You really need to try and warn them. If they say I will believe if you disappear, tell them God will not allow them to believe because they rejected Jesus when they had a chance.

Don't get mad at me, I didn't make the rules.

 

[love_yeshua]

A witch-hunt thread...nice! Let's carry on the wonderful and rich history that Christendom has demonstrated in the ages before us, so that we can have yet one more thing to stop us from looking at our own logs in our eyeballs.

What logs? I can't see them! ...but that darned Obama...that dude is Satan incarnate...and somehow that might affect my own spirituality, and relationship between me and Christ!?&$!!!

Super helpful.

When did Christianity lose so much of its relevancy?

The worst "log" you can have is to be Christian and still take the mark of the beast, just bear that in mind.

 

[s.i.e.]

The worst "log" you can have is to be Christian and still take the mark of the beast, just bear that in mind.

Interesting. So...what exactly is the mark of the beast...and how does that comment relate to Obama perhaps being the antichrist?

 

[love_yeshua]

Interesting. So...what exactly is the mark of the beast...and how does that comment relate to Obama perhaps being the antichrist?

It is the antichrist who will force people to accept the mark of the beast, in their forehead or right hand, and so the Antichrist is relevant. However Obama is obviously not the antichrist, although he has put certain things in place that facilitate the antichrist's rule. We can already see a practical example of this today, through the RFID implants which are placed in peoples' right hands or foreheads.

We can read about the mark of the beast in Revelation 13.

Revelation 13:16
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

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Based on the Bible's descriptions, Obama cannot possibly be the antichrist. To this day Obama has shown no miracles and no magical powers of any kind.

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Revelation 13:13-15
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.



In our generation we need to be aware of the mark of the beast. Because its forced mass-implementation is not very far away. Technology has advanced rapidly to the point where nobody would argue against the possibility of such a mark being implemented across the world. Our passports and ID cards already have RFID chips. Even we who live in Trinidad and Tobago, the tiniest islands you can imagine, have already been issued new "electronic" passports and ID cards.

Speaking of the one-world government: Our passports no longer just have the name of our country. They also show that we are part of the "Caribbean Community" or Caricom. All over the world, nations are being organized into "regions", "unions" and "communities", you should know about the European Union already. The same is happening in Africa as well, for those who aren't aware.

 

[vangard]

Yes, millions will be saved during the tribulation. One third of the Jews alive when the tribulation starts will get saved.

I am sorry for all you who have unsaved loved ones!!!!!!! You really need to try and warn them. If they say I will believe if you disappear, tell them God will not allow them to believe because they rejected Jesus when they had a chance.

Disappear? If you're talking about a possible pre-Trib rapture, you might be disappointed, brother. There's no biblical proof that resurrection trumpet will sound before the Tribulations take place. It's more probable that, if you don't deny Christ and stay on the narrow path even through strong persecution at that time - that you could eventually be one of the beheaded (Revelation 20.4). It's not impossible that Rapture would happen before the end of Tribulations but here again, there's no scriptural guarantee about that...

It's better to be spiritually ready to that possibility - and warn each other - than to be caught like a foolish virgin.

What we read in Matthew 24.9-14 warns us that many will fall (while the gospel is still preached to all nations).

Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

I believe the Mark of the Beast is a physical mark but it also starts in people's mind. Those who reject the truth today by being part of the compromised church (living lukewarm and not sanctifying nor taking position for biblical truth) will also receive that strong dellusion from God mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2.11 and they won't be able to resist the temptation of taking the physical mark. I also think that the believers who aren't ready (the foolish virgins of the parable) could also be the same ones who will be offended and betray the others in the passage above (underlined).

However, we have the LORD's promise that if we persevere in His Name and Truth, He will protect us from that great falling away: Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. (Rev.3.10)

About the Beast: I believe it's really a person (the one we call Antichrist) and also somehow a political system; the False Prophet is also a person and both are to be cast alive into the lake of fire:

Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. (Rev.19.20)

The False Prophet couldn't be Barak Obama, because according to its definition, being a prophet he has to be a famous religious figure (not only a Head of State) having a great influence on all peoples and tribes. Many thought that the False Prophet of Revelation could have been Mahomet, but he's not because, beeing dead, that one couldn't be thrown alive into the lake fire.

It could be Dalaï-Lama for example, but I'm personally convinced that the False Prophet is the actual Pope. He has two horns (crowns): being a king, respectively of the Roman catholic Church and of the Cita del Vaticano, an independant nation. He appears to many like a lamb (innocent, white, pur, religious...) but speaks like a dragon (spiritual seduction and deception, lies). When the Antichrist will come and reveal himself as the coming back messiah - and to the Jews as the coming messiah - the False Prophet will approve him and then will also start the signs and the lying wonders to convince the nations. By his authority, the False Prophet will force the world to worship that Beast as the messiah. We can expect new times of Inquisition from that universal Church (καθολικος ; catholicos = universal). All religions (including apostate christianity) seem to be already linking to the universal church - under the form of oecumenism - to become that religious babylon, the Great Harlot.

From my understanding, that would be the weak part of the Beast System, described as the Clay in the vision of Daniel 2.42-43:

And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

For the faithful church, this will be difficult times, but also the brightest hour for the testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus-Christ!