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Being told in my head I lost my Salvation

dcms

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Hi, I have been told recently in my head that I have lost my Salvation. I have backslidden a long way and the voice felt like it was of God. I know it can be demonic, but I am not sure. If I am not Saved, I believe I never was since I believe once Saved always Saved. Not everyone on the Internet believes that Salvation cannot be lost. I have been tormented for 3 months like this.

If I have lost my Salvation can I get it back or am I eternally doomed like in Hebrews 6: 2-4? Hebrews 6: 4-6, sorry

I got Saved 15 years ago and renounced my sins but started backsliding about 8 years ago when something happened to me that caused me to lose faith in God. I have backslidden all the way back to the point that I was before Salvation with the exception I believe in Jesus when before I was an agnostic.

I have renounced my sins again and have given many of them up but still do not feel free. Instead of looking forward to Heaven I'm starting to dread dying. Could anyone help me to clear this up?
 
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If it was up to man to save himself , then yes you could be lost.

As it is God who grants salvation by grace, and he does not make untrue promises, you cannot be lost. You can still rebel, do wrong things, and maybe even be disciplined for them. But you are not lost if you in fact and with truth did ask for and receive salvation by grace.

You can get pretty bad and your mind can play tricks on you, and Satan can make little runs at you too. Keep you confused.

Think of it like this.

Picture a circle in your mind, God is there, you are there, all is there, and the world is outside. Once you accept God, you are in that circle and you can get right out on the edge of it and almost fall off but he is not going to let go. Evidence of that is you are here, you know, he is talking to you.

Just go talk to him , tell him you are sorry, and mean it. It all gets better from there.

Kit
 
Whatever your hearing in your head certainly is not the Holy Spirit talking since He doesn't condemn. Reject those stupid thoughts from the devil. Ok so you're back slidden, big deal? That dumb devil is just trying to make you feel condemned and unloved. Don't fall for the enemy's traps. He loves to put people under law to make them fall from grace. You're righteous you're saved. Jesus gave you the gift of righteousness and you wear the robe of righteousness. Start talking like it and walking like it. You are blameless before God and every one of your sins, past, present and future has been washed away from you. Speak and listen to what the Bible says about you, bot what that idiot devil is saying about you. Give that clown a good kick right now in the name of Jesus.
 
Thank you for the comforting reply...When I was Saved I thought I was for sure, but, looking back I sort of see that I was joining the church as a fix for my problems. My behavior changed for awhile but I went back to my "vomit" so to speak. I think my sins since I backslid may have let evil spirits in that torment me now and make it impossible to live. Since renouncing the spirits and binding them I feel that they lead me less and am able to sin less.

I am just afraid because I do not feel a love towards God and I feel if I did He would reject it and spit it out. I have been rejected all my life and even hold things against God even though I should not.

I have asked Jesus into my heart quite a few times never being sure it worked the first time...I don't know if I ever felt the fruits of the Spirit. I started wondering if I was saved way back in 2007 when I heard that message by Paul Washer, then I heard a voice telling me I was not saved starting back in August after I prayed for others for the first time in a long time.

I just hope and pray that the devil is deceiving me.

I read the post of a woman who posted last year on the issue and have some of the same symptoms she has. They seem to be demonic oppression and I have had many of those since the beginning and recognized them as such...this new thing seems like God speaking though.

Thank you again for your reply.
 
Thank you for the comforting reply...When I was Saved I thought I was for sure, but, looking back I sort of see that I was joining the church as a fix for my problems. My behavior changed for awhile but I went back to my "vomit" so to speak. I think my sins since I backslid may have let evil spirits in that torment me now and make it impossible to live. Since renouncing the spirits and binding them I feel that they lead me less and am able to sin less.

I am just afraid because I do not feel a love towards God and I feel if I did He would reject it and spit it out. I have been rejected all my life and even hold things against God even though I should not.

I have asked Jesus into my heart quite a few times never being sure it worked the first time...I don't know if I ever felt the fruits of the Spirit. I started wondering if I was saved way back in 2007 when I heard that message by Paul Washer, then I heard a voice telling me I was not saved starting back in August after I prayed for others for the first time in a long time.

I just hope and pray that the devil is deceiving me.

I read the post of a woman who posted last year on the issue and have some of the same symptoms she has. They seem to be demonic oppression and I have had many of those since the beginning and recognized them as such...this new thing seems like God speaking though.

Thank you again for your reply.

Brother, there is no need to hope and pray because the devil is certainly deceiving you. Jesus will never say know, if you ask Him to save you and come into your heart. If you truly have doubts if you received the Lord, then do it now and believe its finally done. Condemnation can really screw up a Christian. Its dangerous stuff. And don't go around speaking things like you think you have unclean spirits in you. Don't go around giving permission for this to happen by speaking that into the spirit realm. You need to be careful loosing words like that. They aren't just words. Believe you're forgiven. Forget your failures of teh past. Forget the backsliding. Been there myself. It becomes a vicious cycle when you can't get past the condemnation. Jesus is there 24hrs a day. The Holy Spirit is there 24hrs a day. The Holy Spirit doesn't say, "Hey what am I doing inside of this guy he keeps backsliding and comitting sins here and there. I need to find a new body to stay in." No sir. He's your Helper and your Comforter. He rocks! He's there to remind you how much Jesus loves you. You are God's beloved in Jesus Christ. God isn't looking at your faults. When you screw up, He's looking at Jesus' perfect work at the Cross. You are shining. You are the groom and are all decked out because of Jesus. That's how God sees you. Everytime you feel condemned remind yourself that Jesus wiped you clean of all sins. Remind yourself that you are righteous and in right standing before God and blameless, NOT by your performance or anything you did but because righteousness is a gift from Jesus. I'm serious you need to speak this all the time and get it in your spirit and believe it. The devil tries to get you into the arena of reasoning, you need to keep him in the arena of faith. So walk by faith and believe what the Word says. Don't believe the thoughts the devil puts in your mind. Boy you should hear some of the thoughts that joker puts in my mind when I miss the mark. Believe you are forgiven and loved. God says He forgives and FORGETS your sins when you ask. So why are you bringing them back up to memory? Don't do it.
 
Salvation

Well I must let you know up front that i do believe that people can and do loose there salvation because we must continue in faith. Now there are scriptures about this but that is not what I am wanting to address. If you have turned away from God you can return.


Romans 11:20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. 22 Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. 23 And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again.

Well this scripture actually addresses both OSAS and returning to God. Now in the scriptures above paul is speaking of the jewish people being cut off from Him because of unbelief. He then says that if they abide not still (persist not) in unbelief the will be grafted in again. He tells those in Christ to take heed lest we be cut off as well...because of unbelief. God is able to graft them back in and He is able to graft us back in as well. He warns us to repent...which means to turn from your sins. Turn back to God and He will take you by the hand and lead you. And like the prodigal son He awaits your return to Him. He loves you and will be over-joyed to receive you back into his loving arms.

Now I also want to ask you a question about what has been being put into you mind. You said that you have lost your salvation keeps being put into your mind. That in itself goes against what you have been taught and believe with OSAS. To lose it implies that you had it. Now I don't know if this is God or not. If it is with conviction and a strong urging to repent then i would say it is. If it is with condemnation and a sense of defeat and wanting to give up I would say it is the enemy. If you determine that it is God though that is convicting you of this (loosing your salvation) then you should allow Him to show you in His word how that is possible. I pray that this blesses you and that you earnestly repent and seek His face. He is waiting with open arms. :)
 
I'll tell you what happened to me.

I left my church years ago and decided to live according to the flesh. One day, I heard a voice, different to the other voices, that said, "I'll blot your name out" if I continued to do what I was doing. Then some time later I returned to my church. One night at work, I had this horrible blasphemous thought and started to believe it !

I heard a voice in the room say, "You're not coming now" (if I can recall). I am sure to this day that it was from God and was absolutely devastated and had this horrible sinking feeling that my salvation was lost. I sought God at once and asked to be forgiven and accepted back. This was when I also started being tormented by voices inside my head slandering everything about God. I now realise, what I did not then, that this was the work of the enemy ! My church was totally unaware what had happened to me. One night at work, I was feeling really low and I recalled a scripture in James 2:13 "For He shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment." So, I started adopting this scripture and showing mercy to others, hoping to recieve mercy from God. I spent months preaching to just about everyone, whether it was convenient to me or not. I kept on asking God for forgiveness and He would not forgive me - instead I was left with shame for what I had believed.

One night at work, I got so low, almost suicidal, then I heard a voice from behind me as if someone else was in the room with me. The voice said, "Do not fear but rejoice". The words of Jesus Christ !!! Almost instantly upon hearing these words, my persona changed and I started rejoicing with great excitement.

Later on, one morning when I woke up, I had this dream that I was calling to God on my bed in tears and He forgave me. Even as I write these words, tears are filling my eyes and my heart is heavy. So I knelt by my bed and asked God to forgive me and to confirm it with joy. Amazingly, He did and I had so much joy, my face hurt !

Sorry about the long story - there is so much to tell that I had to leave out some other detail.

dcms, I have experienced exactly what you are experiencing now. Don't believe the accusations of the enemy and never give up with God. Please be convinced from my own story, that if you are prepared to show mercy to others, then God will grant you mercy.

God bless, dcm
 
Hello
I am so sorry to hear that you are feeling this way, and that it is truly causing you so much heartache!
God does not want to lose any! he does not want to lose you! He wants only good and what is best for you.
When we have sin in our life, the spirit of God must flee, it cannot be within us if sin abides there. But, our father is loving, patient and forgiving. When you truly repent, and your faith is in God, you are forgiven. You need to wait upon the Lord to let you feel this repentance, wait and hold onto him with all you have. Ask the lord to show you how to let go of these feelings, and then accept what he has for you.
I pray that your relationship with the Lord grows stong, and that you recive that peace that only he can give my friend. Many, many blessings unto you!
 
Hi after another restless night I got a little sleep but no comfort.

@01redeemed: The voice was condemnatory and did not offer me a warning but just the fact I had been lost: I tried to repent but maybe it was not enough and I heard another voice saying your repentence is minimal just like the rain I'm sending today, I cannot accept it. Later I thought I heard a voice saying if it rains some more I might reconsider and it did finally rain some more but the voice never said it had accepted me. I was not sure the voice wanted me to give up or not.

@lioncub: I read your story a few times and am impressed at the return of your Salvation. He really put you thru the steps but you prevailed. I think one of my sins these past few years has been coldness to God and anger at him for my life and that could have angered him.

To all: I always heard, pre and post Salvation that it was a free gift and could not be taken away no matter what happens. To hear it can be taken away and without warning really makes me question if the gift was really real in the first place. I thought God only expected of you what you could give and He has not given me much to work with these past few years.

I went on my knees late last night like after 3 am and receive what appeared to be a cold reply from God. If I struggle more with this I will have a nervous breakdown which my enemies would love greatly.
 
Hi after another restless night I got a little sleep but no comfort.

@01redeemed: The voice was condemnatory and did not offer me a warning but just the fact I had been lost: I tried to repent but maybe it was not enough and I heard another voice saying your repentence is minimal just like the rain I'm sending today, I cannot accept it. Later I thought I heard a voice saying if it rains some more I might reconsider and it did finally rain some more but the voice never said it had accepted me. I was not sure the voice wanted me to give up or not.

@lioncub: I read your story a few times and am impressed at the return of your Salvation. He really put you thru the steps but you prevailed. I think one of my sins these past few years has been coldness to God and anger at him for my life and that could have angered him.

To all: I always heard, pre and post Salvation that it was a free gift and could not be taken away no matter what happens. To hear it can be taken away and without warning really makes me question if the gift was really real in the first place. I thought God only expected of you what you could give and He has not given me much to work with these past few years.

I went on my knees late last night like after 3 am and receive what appeared to be a cold reply from God. If I struggle more with this I will have a nervous breakdown which my enemies would love greatly.

So when do you plan on believing you are saved? When do you plan believing that every sin, past, present and future has been forgiven by Jesus' blood? When do you plan on believing that regardless of your backslide, you are still righteous and blameless before God not because of your performance but because righteousness is a gift from Jesus? I mean brother if you don't start believing what the Word says you are in Christ, then you'll surely be chasing your tail and you will have a needless breakdown. You have to make up your mind and decide if you are going to believe this. The enemy is using you as his punching bag right now and he's having a good laugh at your expense. Believe what the Word says about you and reject all those thoughts of condemnation because they aren't from the Holy Spirit.
 
@kyval82:

I know I must have grieved the Spirit, somehow I know it, but, I heard on this Bible study I go to that you can grieve the Holy Spirit but still be saved, just lose your reward, but I'm not so sure now. This pastor even said that suicides once saved were always saved. He was not a liberal man, either. Thank you for the kind message.
 
O friend!
I just wish that I had the words to express how I feel!
you must love the lord, I can hear how you worry, and you would not worry like that if you did not have that love for the lord!
Everyone believes so very differently about once saved always saved, I personally do not feel that way. but, I also do not think that this has any bearing upon you my friend, I really feel you are reaching out to god, and trying to hold on, and friend that is exactly what you need to do.
We all mess up, don't let anyone let you think they don't, i do it so much, but I know that my lord loves me and forgives me, and understands that I need him and don't want to lose him!.
I know that don't want to lose Him either, so you hold on to God, and allow Him to talk to you, to guide you and to be with you friend! As long as you allow Him then he will be there! Talk to God often, profess your love and belief in him, and cling to his love and mercy! i pray that you will find all the comfort that he gives friend!
 
Hi Robster,

Thank you for your comfort...I just heard that my Salvation was minimal so it was easily lost.

A few years ago, I tried to tell my father about the Lord and he quit speaking to me for the most part. I have not spoken to any family in about 5 years. I do not have a Christian background. I told God about this and He said (GET THIS) "even your father has a better chance at Salvation than you do!" I told God that that made me REALLY mad and cold towards Him. I have so few people in my life, that losing even the nominal relationships I had with my family cost a lot. I went by the Scriputure somewhere in the Gospels that stated that family would even turn on each other for the Gospel and that God must be even more important than family when I sent him the card asking him to consider the Lord. I saw him watching and listening to preachers earlier and asked him of it and he said that he was watching to "laugh" at them and no more but I was hopeful that Spiritual pressure had been put on him to repent but it turned out coldly just like everything else.

I have not talked to my sister in years (I told her about Christ early on but w/o much conviction) and she seems to utterly hate me. I had a woman pass my home and put a word curse on me a couple of years ago and it seems to have come true. I rebuked and broke the curse in Jesus' name yesterday and nothing so far. She said I would have no one to talk to and be alone and have "no sanctuary".

People who are satanists are disregarded as important but they do work in society now and I have been led to believe that they have hated me since birth even though I was not saved until I was 30. How about that?
 
@kyval,

Thank you for thinking I have not lost it!

I remember the day I felt very cold towards God. It was almost 8 years ago and something happened and I just chanced to look back on my life since I had been saved and found nothing had changed from before I was saved at least materially. I then made up my mind that I could sin a bit if I wanted since He obviously forgot me and just gave me the "bare minimum" for a life. That is when this started.

I hung onto faith, even so for a few years, but, a couple of years ago I was so cruelly used and betrayed by people that a real coldness and rebellion set in and I went after my backsliding in real earnest. I never renounced God but it hasn't been good.
 
@kyval,

Thank you for thinking I have not lost it!

I remember the day I felt very cold towards God. It was almost 8 years ago and something happened and I just chanced to look back on my life since I had been saved and found nothing had changed from before I was saved at least materially. I then made up my mind that I could sin a bit if I wanted since He obviously forgot me and just gave me the "bare minimum" for a life. That is when this started.

I hung onto faith, even so for a few years, but, a couple of years ago I was so cruelly used and betrayed by people that a real coldness and rebellion set in and I went after my backsliding in real earnest. I never renounced God but it hasn't been good.


@dcms
Are you still in this state? i feel just like you and i am worried about my salvation.
 
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@dcms
Are you still in this state? i feel just like you and i am worried about my salvation. Please email me:

Greetings @Bryanna

This is an old, old thread so you may not get a response from the original participants. We don't know your situation, so it's difficult to say any more than to remind you that our salvation is held and secured in Jesus
 
you receive eternal life when you are saved, since you receive it now and its eternal you can not ever loose it. For it is written

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me
 
@Dave M When we are born-again from above we aren't automatically saved from influences of sin, etc. A true believer and follower of Messiah can indeed lose his salvation, in committing the unforgivable sin - by being unrepentant and stubborn, slothful and neglectful (one may not even realize that he is disobedient). Believer who persists in continual disobedience can harden his heart to the point of no return, the Holy Ghost will depart and leave him alone forever. There are many cases in the bible where followers of Yah have lost their salvation, such as Saul, Solomon, Cain.. even David knew the danger of the situation he was in and said "Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me." (Psalm 51:11). Without the Holy Ghost we are lost, without hope of redemption. "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." (Romans 4:8).
 
Greetings @Dave M

I like the words 'eternal' and 'everlasting'.
If at any time you join with God (only possible through the Son) it is from before one end of time and past the other end and all in between. It's not a past experience thing. Impossible!

It's up to the LORD as judge to decide any thing relating to our life in Him. If not , I for one would not have any hope. I don't think anyone would. The Grace of GOD is permanent and sure and GOD does not lie.

Praise His name!

Bless you ....><>
 
@Dave M When we are born-again from above we aren't automatically saved from influences of sin, etc. A true believer and follower of Messiah can indeed lose his salvation, in committing the unforgivable sin - by being unrepentant and stubborn, slothful and neglectful (one may not even realize that he is disobedient). Believer who persists in continual disobedience can harden his heart to the point of no return, the Holy Ghost will depart and leave him alone forever. There are many cases in the bible where followers of Yah have lost their salvation, such as Saul, Solomon, Cain.. even David knew the danger of the situation he was in and said "Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me." (Psalm 51:11). Without the Holy Ghost we are lost, without hope of redemption. "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." (Romans 4:8).

Brother Marek

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this, but let us Love Jesus with all our hearts and might and and we will not have to worry about it in either case !!

here is a good couple good reads on the subject
Once saved always saved?

Scriptures on Whether True Christians Can Lose Their Salvation - Resources - Eternal Perspective Ministries
 
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