Being told in my head I lost my Salvation

[Marek]

Thanks, @Dave M

The danger is real, even a true believer, once saved, can be lost, and never renewed, because of final impenitence - a believer can harden his heart and sear his conscience to the point where sin no longer bothers him, he doesn't seek forgiveness, and is satisfied with his backslidden condition. I don't know if the people who have commit the unforgivable sin are not seeking forgiveness and repentance, they may, but aren't able to be renewed, because the grace has been taken away.

"For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins,a
but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents." (Hebrews 10:26-27).

"For ground that is drinking the rain often falling on it, and is bearing plants fit for those by whom it is tilled, receives blessing from Elohim,
but if it brings forth thorns and thistles, it is rejected and near to being cursed, and ends up by being burned." (Hebrews 6:7-8)

If the field of the believer brings forth fruits, it receives blessings from Yah to bear more, but if it, for extended amount of time brings forth fruitlessness then in the due time it will be rejected and burned, and the field will be left barren.

"You have abandoned me and turned your back on me," says the LORD. "Therefore, I will raise my fist to destroy you. I am tired of always giving you another chance." (Jeremiah 15:6).

 

[Dave M]

Marek
I certainly would not ever want to test my theory that you can not loose your salvation, Praise Jesus !!! I would say that those that fall away may have never really been saved. But if we always seek Christ Jesus and love him with all our heart and soul we shall not have to worry about it either way, and can find out when we are in heaven who is correct look forward to hanging out with you there !!! imagine having Jesus as our bible teacher no arguing with him !!!!

That does bring up another point I have pondered, are carnal Christians saved, those that say they are saved yet there life styles have not changed one bit. Just wonder about that. I believe once you are saved your life changes and after a few years maybe longer or maybe shorter you are a totally different person, producing fruit. Can you believe and be saved and have no lifestyle change is the question I wonder sometimes because of so many I know that claim it

 

[Marek]

@Dave M

They had to be true believers because if they weren't they wouldn't have anything to fall away from.
Salvation is a gift, but we can reject that gift always, Yahuah doesn't force us to have it. I myself have experienced times where I thought, "well, I'm doomed forever" because of my unconfessed sins that hindered my relationship with the Most High, imagine if I procrastinated my repentance, I'd, after some time be so hardened by continual sin that repentance would be impossible.
All the glory be to the Most High in heavens who forgives us our offenses.

 

[Hekuran]

Remember that this thread is in the counselling section. There are many other places on the site to continue the 'can you lose your salvation?' conversation.

 

[Br. Bear]

Remember that this thread is in the counselling section. There are many other places on the site to continue the 'can you lose your salvation?' conversation.

well said

 

[jcforever]

Remember that this thread is in the counselling section. There are many other places on the site to continue the 'can you lose your salvation?' conversation.

When you counsel someone about salvation and you don't know for sure about the salvation of all men, then you shouldn't be counseling at all. Those of us who know for sure that all men are saved from the flesh are taught by the Holy Spirit of God, not from some opinions by false prophets who twist the scriptures according to what the Devil gives them.

John 14
23: Jesus answered him, "If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24: He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.
25: "These things I have spoken to you, while I am still with you.
26: But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

If the Holy Spirit is involved in doing the counseling, then the person being counseled can be assured that he's getting the truthful words of God and not just some opinion by some Devil possessed human being.

 

[amadeus2]

We here on Talk Jesus, for the most part, agree that no one would argue with Jesus, but in fact the scripture confirms that people did argue with him, although they never won. The same is true today, but the key when are we on the Lord's side and when are we on some other side? Just saying that we are following the lead of the Holy Ghost does not establish for everyone that we really are.

 

[jcforever]

We here on Talk Jesus, for the most part, agree that no one would argue with Jesus, but in fact the scripture confirms that people did argue with him, although they never won. The same is true today, but the key when are we on the Lord's side and when are we on some other side? Just saying that we are following the lead of the Holy Ghost does not establish for everyone that we really are.

All arguments come from the Devil and that's why we servants of God let them argue until they're dead unless they are one of God's chosen disciples. God will rebuke the thoughts of the Devil within the mind of his believers so that they can hear His voice, which is the gospel of God that we preach to them. I have witnessed many chosen one's who started arguing with God at first but as soon as God rebuked their wicked thoughts, they became like lambs and listened intently to His voice and loved the words that contain the knowledge of Christ. God never let them argue longer than a couple of sentences. One strong rebuke by God is all that it usually took to stop their evil thoughts.

I experienced one old man who called me Satan, false prophet, a liar, etc. for almost a year until he finally heard the voice of the Lord speaking into his mind as I preached the Word ( gospel ) to him. He and I became close friends in the spirit after that and we spent several hours together while God was teaching him the deeper knowledge of Christ. He loved the Lord with all his heart and we would weep with joy together as we heard the words from the gospel.

Most of the people who came to hear me preach the gospel of God and rejected it were the church going unbelievers who walked away confused and sometimes very angry. Some of them threatened to beat me up and a few threatened my life even while I was standing on the sidewalk next to the den of Satan they belonged to.

However, it's impossible to kill me because I'm alive in the Kingdom of God and I would tell them that to their face. They can kill my flesh but that is useless because that's not my true image. I was created as a man in the image of God which is totally invisible.

 

[Hekuran]

It's still a counselling thread.

Imagine a counselling service in which a person in anxiety and distress asks for help, only to sit, ignored, while a group of counsellors debate among themselves. We can do better than this.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings @Bryanna ,

@dcms
Are you still in this state? i feel just like you and i am worried about my salvation.

would you like to start a new thead? Did you read the replies that dcms received?

It might be helpful for you to (re)consider what you call "my salvation" to be the Salvation of God in Jesus Christ the Lord which He is responsible for. Incline your ear unto Him and see what He says.
The devil is a liar and his priority is to destroy our faith in Christ Jesus.
Choose to listen to what the LORD says for in Him is Life, eternal life .

On behalf of my fellow members here, I apologize for the debate going on on this thread. The Liar is out to destroy and keep everyone arguing and debating, hoping you get put off.
My encouragement to you is that if the devil is disturbed and trying to make trouble then that is because you have not lost salvation!

Bless you ....><>

 

[amadeus2]

It's still a counselling thread.

Imagine a counselling service in which a person in anxiety and distress asks for help, only to sit, ignored, while a group of counsellors debate among themselves. We can do better than this.

Amen!

 

[Sue J Love]

you receive eternal life when you are saved, since you receive it now and its eternal you can not ever loose it. For it is written

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me

In context, it says that his (Jesus Christ's) sheep listen to him, he knows them, and they follow (obey) him. He gives them eternal life, and they will never perish:

27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings @Bryanna ,

How are you? Again, apologies for the lack of respect shown. I have moved the remaining posts now.
Please let us know how you are .

Bless you ....><>

 

[realink]

Thanks, @Dave M

The danger is real, even a true believer, once saved, can be lost, and never renewed, because of final impenitence - a believer can harden his heart and sear his conscience to the point where sin no longer bothers him, he doesn't seek forgiveness, and is satisfied with his backslidden condition. I don't know if the people who have commit the unforgivable sin are not seeking forgiveness and repentance, they may, but aren't able to be renewed, because the grace has been taken away.

"For if we sin purposely after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a slaughter offering for sins,a
but some fearsome anticipation of judgment, and a fierce fire which is about to consume the opponents." (Hebrews 10:26-27).

"For ground that is drinking the rain often falling on it, and is bearing plants fit for those by whom it is tilled, receives blessing from Elohim,
but if it brings forth thorns and thistles, it is rejected and near to being cursed, and ends up by being burned." (Hebrews 6:7-8)

If the field of the believer brings forth fruits, it receives blessings from Yah to bear more, but if it, for extended amount of time brings forth fruitlessness then in the due time it will be rejected and burned, and the field will be left barren.

"You have abandoned me and turned your back on me," says the LORD. "Therefore, I will raise my fist to destroy you. I am tired of always giving you another chance." (Jeremiah 15:6).

Not an easy thing to do, the conscience does hold up to a higher degree than any other part of the mind.