Born Again = all sin forgiven

[Bethel]

Water baptism has great spiritual significance to the process of being converted

It has zero "spiritual significance".

ZERO.

Water gets you wet. Its simply symbolic of the New Birth that has occurred inside a BELIEVER.

 

[BrotherDThomas]

@Bethel,

With due respect, Jesus and I have to correct you upon your biblical knowledge, and this is because you state that all sins are forgiven by Jesus in eternal forgiveness, NOT! Your overall position would state that if you continued to sin all the time subsequent to knowing the questionable eternal forgiveness scenario, therefore precludes that there is no reason not to sin! HUH?! This proposition is biblically incorrect as the Jesus inspired passage below so states:

“If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,” (Hebrews 10:26).

As stated with specificity, and receiving the knowledge of the "questionable truth" that you proffer, and using your premise of continuing to sin at will after the knowledge of the "questionable truth," is NOT Biblical whatsoever where if we did continue to sin ad infinitum, and as shown in the passage in question above, THERE IS NO SACRIFICE FOR SINS IS LEFT!!!



Furthermore, we have to take into consideration the following passage where Jesus Himself stated the following, to wit: "Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven." (Matthew 18:21-22). For the mathematically challenged, 70x7= 490 times that we can only sin before Hell shows itself to us as shown below:

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8). Remember, Jesus did not create Hell and not plan on using it! (Colossians 1:16)


Bethel, put this information herein into your biblical enlightenment papers to where we truly stand relative to the sin scenario. You're welcome.


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[Waggles]

It has zero "spiritual significance".

OK you believe what you want to believe and I will continue in believing the truth of the gospel.

 

[Shaolin]

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Does a person need to confess their sin, so that the blood of Jesus is shed for them again and again, every time they sin, again?

A.) No.

This particular theology that you probably have been taught, by a unsaved Legalist, is based on them misapplying 1st John as this idea..

"as long as i confess my sin, i keep myself saved, but if i dont, then im not saved anymore".

See that?
That is how a person takes a verse, twists it, and it become their false savior.
As now that verse to this person, is their "as long as i do that, i keep myself saved".
Yet, its Christ alone, who keeps us saved.
No confession necessary, only His shed blood and death on the Cross is necessary to save us, and He has finished our SALVATION already.....and said so from the Cross.. when God said...>"It is FINISHED".

"confessing sin", usually means that you are trying to get God to forgive your sin, ......which God as Christ has died to forgive , already.

Christ has died ONCE for ALL sin,,, 1st Peter says... not just for some sin.
See, if all your sin was not taken care of by God on the Cross, then you are not saved.

Listen, God created salvation so that its an eternal forgiveness....completed by God Himself, as Christ on the Cross.

So, this deceivers theology of "confessing sin to stay saved" is a result of not really understanding the Cross or the Blood of Jesus, as God has provided it as a finished Salvation.

Born again Saint.....Salvation is FINISHED......Its not kept by us, its kept by God who GIVES IT TO YOU as "the Gift of Salvation".. Never based on if we are good enough or confess all the sins we remember, as you can't confess those you forgot.
Going to Heaven, is based on What Jesus did to get you there, and never is it based on your lifestyle, or confessing, or works.

So, when a Believer begins to understand that God, Himself, came here to die on The Cross, to free us from our unrighteousness by giving us His, then once we see this as our REDEMPTION and SALVATION, we then truly understand who we have become as "the righteousness of God in Christ".
And God already sees us as this "made righteous", whose SIN.. Jesus became. Which is why Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the born again.
How can He , when God has already paid for them all, for you.
God can't die for you sin 2000 yrs ago, then charge you for them, also, tomorrow.
So, if a person is born again.. then "Jesus became sin" for them, and died for it all...

The Spiritual LIGHT bulb comes on in your spirit when you realize..>"im confessing sin, that God has already forgiven 2000 yrs ago on the Cross".
Saint...born again.....When you get there, in your inner spiritual understanding, then you'll understand why God's redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb SHOUT and say....THANK YOU JESUS !!!!!!!, AND THEY DONT CArE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK !!!

If you want to confess you sin, because this makes you feel better, as that it all it does, then good.
But its better to see yourself as God sees you..and exit in this RENEWED MIND, as when you do thAT , you will find that your confessing becomes what it is......just your way of feeling better... as the sin is already forgiven by God 2000 yrs ago on the Cross, through the blood of Jesus.

Are you born again?
Not just water baptized....but born again?
If so, then God does not see your sin. Its ALL paid for by God's own Blood and Death, on the Cross... 2000 yrs ago.
God only sees you as "the righteousness of God, in Christ"......"One with God".... if you are born again.
NOW.....You have to begin to only see yourself, as the same as God sees you at all times.
This is "walking in the Spirit", "in the mind of Christ".

Sorry...but that is all calvinistic false doctrine.

God saves a person who comes to Him on His terms, not yours. And that person continues to have the atoning blood of Christ applied to their lives as long as they remain abiding in Christ (I John 1:7). And, just as I John 1:8-10 says, you must confess your sins so that God can forgive you, because He will not forgive you according to Scripture if you (1) don't forgive others and (2) don't come to God in humility and dependence and confess your sins and ask for His forgiveness.

that is what Scripture teaches. This nonsense above that you claim, is YOU twisting the text out of their contexts and reinterpreting them to suit your own brand of false doctrine.

 

[Shaolin]

Also, your title is false, too. No one's "all sin" is forgiven, only their past sins are forgiven. You cannot be forgiven for something that you have not yet done.

 

[Bethel]

@Bethel,

With due respect, Jesus and I have to correct y

Now....Its best that you dont include the Lord in your theology, or your teaching, as He is not found in it, anywhere.

Listen, if God as Christ on the Cross did not pay for all sin like this..>"Jesus became sin"....then sin is not resolved for anyone who is born again.

Figure that out if you think you can and if you do ,you will begin that day to understand the "one time eternal sacrifice for Sin" ....WHO HIMSELF is the "Blood Atonement" that created the 'new covenant" and the "new Testament".

 

[BrotherDThomas]

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@Bethel,

YOUR POST #26 THAT IS DEFAMING JESUS: "Now....Its best that you dont include the Lord in your theology, or your teaching, as He is not found in it, anywhere."

I am truly sorry that you do not understand that Jesus is everywhere within the scriptures, and outside of them as well, therefore do not hold me responsible for your lack of knowledge of this FACT! Therefore, what part of Hebrews 10:26 don't you understand relative to sin that you say is always forgiven that is contradicting said verse? Can you tell the membership?



YOUR CONTINUED QUOTE IN NOT UNDERSTANDING HEBREWS 10:26, AND THAT JESUS CREATED HELL FOR A REASON: "Listen, if God as Christ on the Cross did not pay for all sin like this..>"Jesus became sin"....then sin is not resolved for anyone who is born again."

Simple logical deduction, all past sins have been forgiven, even if you murdered someone and was found guilty, BUT, Hebrews 10:26 states herewith: "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left". GET IT? YES? Therefore, do you think that at the onset of Jesus' sacrifice in forgiving past sins "at that time" where a Christian received this truth, that Jesus will allow you to abandon all future sins that you may commit? HEBREWS 10:26 SAYS NO!!!! Since the verse in question was inspired by Jesus in the first place (2 Peter 1:20-21), do you want to call Jesus a LIAR in said verse?! Huh?!

Therefore, the final act, in that a Christian that continues to sin after knowing the truth above, will be destined to Hell upon their demise where again Jesus did not create Hell and not plan on using it (Colossians 1:16), understood?! "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8).


1. Furthermore, Jesus admits He created Hell to use against continued sinners: "Jesus said, “So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (Matthew 13:49-50)".

2. THINK, under your misguided notion of sin is always forgiven in going directly against Hebrews 10:26, THEN THERE IS NO INCENTIVE NOT TO SIN, GET IT?!!! Do you think that Jesus would agree with your ungodly position for a Christian to continue to sin and always be forgiven after He sacrificed upon the cross for your past sins, NOT!!!

3. Jesus' inspired words state that if one continues to sin after knowing the truth of His sacrifice for past sins, then they are to be rebuked in front of others, so that these other people will stand in fear if they continue so sin as well, where upon Judgment Day they are to stand in fear of Jesus if they did continue to sin!: "As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear (1 Timothy 5:20).


Bethel, subjectively speaking, you have a lot to learn regarding the scriptures, and when you go forth with your lies as you have done with your initial post of this thread, remember, Jesus is watching you perform such ungodly acts! (Hebrews 4:13).


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[Shaolin]

Now....Its best that you dont include the Lord in your theology, or your teaching, as He is not found in it, anywhere.

Listen, if God as Christ on the Cross did not pay for all sin like this..>"Jesus became sin"....then sin is not resolved for anyone who is born again.

Figure that out if you think you can and if you do ,you will begin that day to understand the "one time eternal sacrifice for Sin" ....WHO HIMSELF is the "Blood Atonement" that created the 'new covenant" and the "new Testament".

Like a calvinist does, you have blatantly misappropriated a text of Scripture and twisted it to your own ends. Also, your failure to correctly quote Hebrews 10:12 is truly telling - no where in the text do we find the word "eternal" much less "eternal sacrifice."

The wording in the text tells us that Christ did ONE sacrifice for sin...NOT meaning that you only need to be forgiven one time, but rather that His sacrifice was perfect so that no more sacrifices for sin need be accomplished. You twist the meaning of the text to fit your own brand of heretical doctrine.

 

[Shaolin]

It has zero "spiritual significance".

ZERO.

Water gets you wet. Its simply symbolic of the New Birth that has occurred inside a BELIEVER.

Negative...more calvinistic false doctrine. Scripture tells us that unless you receive water baptism into Christ, then you are NOT saved...neither are you in Christ. No where in Scripture do we read that "its simply symbolic of the new birth that has occurred inside a believer," that is false calvinistic crap that you do not find in Scripture anywhere.

Scripture tells you not to add to it, nor to subtract from it...and that is what you have done. Hate to be in your shoes on judgment day...

 

[Shaolin]

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Bethel, subjectively speaking, you have a lot to learn regarding the scriptures...
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Dont be in to much of a rush to deal out judgment, "bro"...because you have demonstrated yourself to be just as culpable on that very same count that you level at Bethel...

 

[Squeakybro]

Three Types Of Sin

xxx The ones you dont have to repent of.

1 Pet 4:8
8 And above all things have fervent love for one another, for "love will cover a multitude of sins."
(NKJ)

xxx The ones you must repent of.Every time you commit them.

2 Pet 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
(NKJ)

xxx And the unforgiveable sin. That it doesnt do any good to repent of.

Matt 12:31-32
31 "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
32 "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
(NKJ)


xxx You will never be without sin. Remember the thorn in the flesh. That one sin you cant get rid of .

 

[Bethel]

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@Bethel,


1. Furthermore, Jesus admits He created Hell to use against continued sinners:
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Actually Hell is created for the devil and his angels......created before Adam was created. (that fact is not in your commentary, so you might want to pencil it in)...

Let me show you.

Jesus said..."you are of your Father, the Devil, and the lusts of your Father, you shall do".

Who is that?
That is every unbeliever.
What is "lust of the devil".....that is the Devil's nature, that is the sin nature found in every human being. And that is why Jesus said that YOU are of YOUR FATHER, the Devil.

So, why does God require you to be BORN AGAIN?
Its because if you are not born of GOD the FATHER, then you remain a Son of the DEVIL.....or as Christ told you...>"you are of YOUR Father, the devil".

So, to be born again, is to become a SON of God, and no longer a son of the Devil.
Understand?
So, this BIRTH has to be performed by GOD the Father so that you become a Son of GOD.

Water baptism, cant do that, so dont let them lie to you, as these liars infect forums with their "water cult" theology.

So, if you are not born again, by GOD the Father, then you remain a son of the Devil, and you end up in the same place, in the end, that was created for the Devil and His angles.

In other words, you will go to your Father in Hell, if you. have not become the Son of GOD who is in Heaven.

Now, you will never meet another Teacher in your LIFE who can explain to you, what ive just shown you.
Use it well .

 

[BrotherDThomas]

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@Shaolin,

YOUR QUOTE OF BEING AN OUTRIGHT HYPOCRITE AS USUAL: "Dont be in to much of a rush to deal out judgment, "bro"...because you have demonstrated yourself to be just as culpable on that very same count that you level at Bethel..."

You have a very short memory, in that I easily Bible Slapped you Silly in the following posts, where the last two you completely RAN AWAY from to never be seen again because of the content of said posts you couldn't answer and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath because of their biblical axioms!


The following two posts of mine is where you tried in vain to address them with irrelative child like banter, and then you ran away from them in shame: #89, #90

These two posts is where you just completely ran away from and went into HIDING because of their content was so damaging upon what you thought you knew, you didn't: #94, #95


Shaolin, what you should seriously do to save yourself from further biblical embarrassment in front of the membership within this prestigious forum, is to just stay away from my posts, otherwise I will continue to show that your Bible knowledge goes severely wanting at your continued expense, understood? Yeah, you do.


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[BrotherDThomas]

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@Bethel,

Before I easily "school you" upon the scriptures again relative to Hell that you biblically no nothing about, you are running away from the main premise of your initial post. Therefore, for the THIRD TIME, address the following proposition:


Simple logical deduction, all past sins have been forgiven, even if you murdered someone and was found guilty, BUT, Hebrews 10:26 states herewith: "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left". GET IT? YES? Therefore, do you think that at the onset of Jesus' sacrifice in forgiving past sins "at that time" where a Christian received this truth, that Jesus will allow you to abandon all future sins that you may commit? HEBREWS 10:26 SAYS NO!!!! Since the verse in question was inspired by Jesus in the first place (2 Peter 1:20-21), do you want to call Jesus a LIAR in said verse?! Huh?!

THINK, under your misguided notion of sin is always forgiven in going directly against Hebrews 10:26, THEN THERE IS NO INCENTIVE NOT TO SIN, GET IT?!!! Do you think that Jesus would agree with your ungodly position for a Christian to continue to sin and always be forgiven after He sacrificed upon the cross for your past sins, NOT!!!


You seemingly forget that the membership is watching you continually RUNNING AWAY from the above statement for the THIRD TIME, along with Jesus watching you as well (Hebrews 4:13).

You may begin to address it, WE ARE WAITING!

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[Shaolin]

Water baptism, cant do that, so dont let them lie to you, as these liars infect forums with their "water cult" theology.

Actually, beth...you are the liar here spreading your cultish nonsense from a man dead over 500 years ago who didn't understand squat about Scripture. Scripture says plainly and clearly...

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

I Peter 3:21*
Which also is now a type for you of deliverance through baptism, not the washing of the flesh, but of a right conscience of integrity in pledging yourself into God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Acts 22:16
And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.

And furthermore...if you are not baptized into Christ through water, then you are not in Christ, which means that you are not saved, which means you don't have the Spirit indwelling you in order to lead you into truth - which is why you believe the nonsense lies in calvinism...

Romans 6:3*
Or are you ignorant of the fact that those of us who were baptized through immersion in water into Christ Jesus, were baptized into His death?

Galatians 3:27*
because however many of you who were baptized into Christ, have entered Christ.

Acts 2:41
So those who received his word were baptized, and there were added to the church that day about three thousand souls.

Every text above, in context, addresses water immersion, not spirit baptism having to do with the indwelling Spirit. You are wrong, beth, because you don't take the whole Word of God into account...rather, you listen to the false arguments of men over what Scripture clearly states.

And that makes you a false teacher when you teach that nonsense.

 

[Shaolin]

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@Shaolin,

YOUR QUOTE OF BEING AN OUTRIGHT HYPOCRITE AS USUAL:

Umm....no...the only thing close to a hypocrite here is you, but nice try...

"Dont be in to much of a rush to deal out judgment, "bro"...because you have demonstrated yourself to be just as culpable on that very same count that you level at Bethel..."

You have a very short memory, in that I easily Bible Slapped you Silly in the following posts, where the last two you completely RAN AWAY from to never be seen again because of the content of said posts you couldn't answer and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath because of their biblical axioms!

Sorry, try again. I do not continue in conversations with morons who repeatedly ignore what Scripture states and continue in their self-made carnal delusions that Scripture does not support. I ran away from nothing. There is no point in conversing with foolish individuals who have no inkling about seeking truth, but who only wallow in their bias protecting.

But, as I said, nice try...

 

[Shaolin]

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@Bethel,

Before I easily "school you" upon the scriptures again ...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Whew! Almost fell out of my chair!!! BDT, you couldn't school a dog when it comes to Scripture, you have already demonstrated that on NUMEROUS accounts. Take your false teachings elsewhere, perhaps the mormon website. The JW's will love you, too...

 

[BrotherDThomas]

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@Shaolin,

YOUR BLATANT RUN AWAY QUOTE TO BIBLICAL AXIOMS IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP IN POST #36: "Sorry, try again. I do not continue in conversations with morons who repeatedly ignore what Scripture states and continue in their self-made carnal delusions that Scripture does not support. I ran away from nothing.

Oh my, how many times have I seen your little whimpering school girl tactic of RUNNING AWAY from biblical axioms relative to the topic at hand in Christian forums, where I have lost count!
Shaolin, in the posts of mine to you shown herewith; #89, #90, #94, and #95, you RAN AWAY from them where they were biblically vouchsafed, whereas this is your chink in the armor when shown Bible FACTS that you cannot address! Therefore, you put your RUNNING SHOES on and off you go as if no one sees the FACT that you ran away from BIBLE FACTS and went sheepishly into HIDING!

At least you "tried" to address my posts #89 and #90 with your usual little school-girl antics that went embarrassingly wanting at your expense once again, BUT, when the road really got tough in my posts #94 and #95, you completely RAN AWAY from them where **** POOF **** you were gone and you went into HIDING again! LOL!


I am going to allow you to at least "try" and redeem yourself within this very esteemed Religious Jesus Talk forum, okay? Now, don't get too SCARED AGAIN regarding biblical axioms, okay? Therefore, I will meet you in my thread to discuss my post #94 and #95 since you had to RUN AWAY COMPLETELY from them, and without the least of which was another lame sophomoric excuse! LOL!

Here is the link/page for you to meet up with me to "school you" once again relative to the posts that you totally RAN AWAY from, READY?

Yes, I am questioning the Judeo-Christian Bible in the 21st Century ......

The Old Testament prophets did not fully understand what they were prophesying about. (No private interpretation) but they really wanted to, so they searched diligently for its meaning. What they did prophecy about they also testified of .It is was God working in mankind to both will and...

www.talkjesus.com

MEMBERSHIP: Should we bet on the side to see if Shaolin has the nerve to show up to address biblical axioms to the topic at hand as shown above, or will Shaolin RUNAWAY again as usual in front of the eyes of Jesus the Christ (Hebrews 4:13) and the membership with yet more girly-boy EXCUSES? We shall see! LOL!



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[Shaolin]

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@Shaolin,

YOUR BLATANT RUN AWAY QUOTE TO BIBLICAL AXIOMS IN FRONT OF THE MEMBERSHIP IN POST #36: "Sorry, try again. I do not continue in conversations with morons who repeatedly ignore what Scripture states and continue in their self-made carnal delusions that Scripture does not support. I ran away from nothing.

Oh my, how many times have I seen your little whimpering school girl tactic of RUNNING AWAY from biblical axioms relative to the topic at hand in Christian forums, where I have lost count!
Shaolin, in the posts of mine to you shown herewith; #89, #90, #94, and #95, you RAN AWAY from them where they were biblically vouchsafed, whereas this is your chink in the armor when shown Bible FACTS that you cannot address! Therefore, you put your RUNNING SHOES on and off you go as if no one sees the FACT that you ran away from BIBLE FACTS and went sheepishly into HIDING!

At least you "tried" to address my posts #89 and #90 with your usual little school-girl antics that went embarrassingly wanting at your expense once again, BUT, when the road really got tough in my posts #94 and #95, you completely RAN AWAY from them where **** POOF **** you were gone and you went into HIDING again! LOL!


I am going to allow you to at least "try" and redeem yourself within this very esteemed Religious Jesus Talk forum, okay? Now, don't get too SCARED AGAIN regarding biblical axioms, okay? Therefore, I will meet you in my thread to discuss my post #94 and #95 since you had to RUN AWAY COMPLETELY from them, and without the least of which was another lame sophomoric excuse! LOL!

Here is the link/page for you to meet up with me to "school you" once again relative to the posts that you totally RAN AWAY from, READY?

Yes, I am questioning the Judeo-Christian Bible in the 21st Century ......

The Old Testament prophets did not fully understand what they were prophesying about. (No private interpretation) but they really wanted to, so they searched diligently for its meaning. What they did prophecy about they also testified of .It is was God working in mankind to both will and...

www.talkjesus.com

MEMBERSHIP: Should we bet on the side to see if Shaolin has the nerve to show up to address biblical axioms to the topic at hand as shown above, or will Shaolin RUNAWAY again as usual in front of the eyes of Jesus the Christ (Hebrews 4:13) and the membership with yet more girly-boy EXCUSES? We shall see! LOL!

Golly gee!!! I have never seen anyone act like that on a forum, ever, before!

This is how it works, poor bro, I gave you what Scripture clearly teaches, and you reject that truth. Scripture says not to argue with those lost in darkness in their own minds, because there's no reason to. I do not run away from anything, but when a moron comes along who just wants to argue and argue because in their own mind they "know" what they are talking about...Scripture says to leave them alone, they are self condemned and will end up in eternal fire.

I didn't run away from your argument. I put it to bed and there's nothing more to say on it. Scripture shows you to your face that you are wrong, but you are the one who chooses to defend your false bias rather than be a truth seeker. I don't talk to people when they have demonstrated clearly that they are ONLY here to defend their bias.

 

[BrotherDThomas]

@Shaolin,

YOUR QUOTE THAT AT THIS TIME GOES UNSUBSTANTIATED AS USUAL: "This is how it works, poor bro, I gave you what Scripture clearly teaches, and you reject that truth. Scripture says not to argue with those lost in darkness in their own minds, because there's no reason to. I do not run away from anything, but when a moron comes along who just wants to argue and argue because in their own mind they "know" what they are talking about...Scripture says to leave them alone, they are self condemned and will end up in eternal fire."

Tell us where in the scriptures does it state that a Christian is not to argue with one that is allegedly lost and to leave them alone! WAITING!


YOUR LYNIG AND LAME RUNAWAY QUOTE AGAIN: "I didn't run away from your argument. I put it to bed and there's nothing more to say on it."

You RAN AWAY from the following posts of mine to you with absolutely NO RESPONSE other than to sheepishly run away again and go into HIDING, period: #94 and #95 !!!!! SCARED? How embarrassing for you it must be upon this forum in having your run away status, so sad.


SIDEBAR: Shaolin, can you tell us in which RUNNING SHOES do you wear while upon this prestigious forum as a blatant RUN AWAY from biblical axioms? Are they Nike, Adidas, Puma, or?

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