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Calvinism - HyperCalvinism - TULIP : Simplified

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Okay, but please refrain from tagging me a Calvinist, Arminian or any other title you can think of. Okay.
I worship with a Baptist Church Family that has separated from the SBC because they have stopped following Yashuah and Yehovah through Ruah's leading. Like you, I do not follow Calvin but I am often mislabled to be such. Go figure, people do not study these days.
 
I do not follow any person that lived after about 33 AD
You do realize that Paul lived after the year 33 AD, and was never one of the disciples.

Perhaps I misunderstand. (I don't, but perhaps you misspoke.)

Rhema
Rhema, your reply, like KJ's is not in the context of my reply.
No Bill, you just misunderstand it.
 
II am sorry that I need to answer another baseless post. I did not refute his post any more than he and now you troll for argument instead of discussion. Unbased discussion begins and ends with baseless argument and such has never been "of God."

The Wolf in sheep's clothing has invaded the Church, Christian Business', Christian Schools and, Christian Forums. I do not follow any person that lived after about 33 AD but even I might be interested to see a Scriptural Case presented against the Following of Calvin. Show me these Great Heresies with Scripture that is in the Greatest Context of Yehovah's recorded letters to us.

Now, if any should choose to make such a case against any movement wearing the Christ Tag, please remember there are no chapters and no verses in the scriptures. The numbering and thus, division of God's Word began in 1382 with the Wycliffe Translation and do not belong there.

Explain to me how the 5 point calvinist message is the gospel of Jesus. It is most certainly not. It makes a complete MOCKERY of the cross. The devil comes as an angel of light.

I am getting so tired of everyone CLOWNING around on this heresy. EXPLAIN how partiality is not evil or do not take part in the discussion unless your goal is also, to further stumble God's children.

Note how our three Calvinists go dead silent when exposed and asked to explain their heresy.

All who teach this need to take up swimming lessons Matt 18:6.
 
Explain to me how the 5 point calvinist message is the gospel of Jesus. It is most certainly not. It makes a complete MOCKERY of the cross. The devil comes as an angel of light.

I am getting so tired of everyone CLOWNING around on this heresy. EXPLAIN how partiality is not evil or do not take part in the discussion unless your goal is also, to further stumble God's children.

Note how our three Calvinists go dead silent when exposed and asked to explain their heresy.

All who teach this need to take up swimming lessons Matt 18:6.
Who are our 3 Calvinists?
 
Explain to me how the 5 point calvinist message is the gospel of Jesus. It is most certainly not. It makes a complete MOCKERY of the cross. The devil comes as an angel of light.

I am getting so tired of everyone CLOWNING around on this heresy. EXPLAIN how partiality is not evil or do not take part in the discussion unless your goal is also, to further stumble God's children.

Note how our three Calvinists go dead silent when exposed and asked to explain their heresy.

All who teach this need to take up swimming lessons Matt 18:6.
Just because you say something does not make it true. Well maybe in your world.
But in the real world, you need to prove boastful statements like that.
 
@Bethel

Calvinism... HyperCalvinism.. "the 5 Points" .. TULIP..... : is Of The Devil

Now the Truths of Tulip, its all about Grace Salvation, so since Salvation is by Grace, the Truths/Doctrines which Tulip sets forth are Gospel Doctrines, so be careful about calling them of the devil.
 
You do realize that Paul lived after the year 33 AD, and was never one of the disciples.

Perhaps I misunderstand. (I don't, but perhaps you misspoke.)

Rhema

No Bill, you just misunderstand it.
No, I follow Yashuah.. Paul teaches us from the Jewish Bible about how to follow but I do not follow him.
 
No, I follow Yashuah.. Paul teaches us from the Jewish Bible about how to follow but I do not follow him.
Sorry for the confusion, but am I to understand that you don't follow Paul when Paul himself says to follow him?

Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.​
(1 Corinthians 4:16 KJV)

Be ye followers of me, ...​
(1 Corinthians 11:1 KJV)

Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.​
(Philippians 3:17 KJV)

And ye became followers of us, ...​
(1 Thessalonians 1:6 KJV)

Kindly,
Rhema
 
Just because you say something does not make it true. Well maybe in your world.
But in the real world, you need to prove boastful statements like that.
Foghorn, I hope you have patience. In the past I've never put a poster on my "Ignore" filter, but I have done so with two you are encountering. I cannot tolerate even reading the blasphemy that some put on here, and those with pretense of Greek knowledge to the point they know more than any of the translators into English from 1611 to the present in the 2021 NRSVue. I've struggled with which point to pursue on the following:

"Do not answer fools according to their folly, or you will be a fool yourself. Answer fools according to their folly, or they will be wise in their own eyes." (Prov 26:4-5 NRSV)

I just pray to God that he shield his own from some of the garbage that is found online. Where I err, shield your elect from my mistakes as well.
 
Just because you say something does not make it true. Well maybe in your world.
But in the real world, you need to prove boastful statements like that.

What 'boastful' statement must I prove?

You seem to be trolling and new to the topic of Calvinism.

Go and do some research on TULIP and then return.
 
Foghorn, I hope you have patience. In the past I've never put a poster on my "Ignore" filter, but I have done so with two you are encountering. I cannot tolerate even reading the blasphemy

You would not know what blasphemy is if it fell on your head. You bastardise the most popular verse from Jesus and in Christianity. John 3:16.

that some put on here, and those with pretense of Greek knowledge to the point they know more than any of the translators into English from 1611 to the present in the 2021 NRSVue. I've struggled with which point to pursue on the following:

"Do not answer fools according to their folly, or you will be a fool yourself. Answer fools according to their folly, or they will be wise in their own eyes." (Prov 26:4-5 NRSV)

This is ironic. You have been asked questions you cannot and refuse to answer. Now you call those asking you logical and sensible questions '''the fools''. That is hilarious.

I just pray to God

What God do you pray to? You TEACH that God is EVIL. How do you expect your EVIL god to answer your prayers for something righteous.

that he shield his own from some of the garbage that is found online.

Nothing more garbage than thinking you are cherry picked to be His ''own''. Get out, read the news, learn how evil something like racism is.

Where I err, shield your elect from my mistakes as well.

You err 10/10 at misrepresenting God of the bible. You cannot fail harder at being an ambassador for Jesus 2 Cor 5:20, which is your ONE job.
 
but even I might be interested to see a Scriptural Case presented against the Following of Calvin. Show me these Great Heresies with Scripture that is in the Greatest Context of Yehovah's recorded letters to us.

See this thread that is currently mostly dedicated to my arguments with it. Specifically on naming the heresies, see post #3 and #4 Christian Acid Test to be applied to all doctrines.

I look forward to your sound and scripture-based rebuttals. Calvinists run from any sort of interrogation and discussion. They are only here to post gunk they download from the net.

Please be 'better' than them, Bill.
 
Before we go any further, I believe you owe these two people an apology. And repent of the fact that you are using scripture out of context for your benefit.

This is a bad practice.

Read this thread and you will see where I am coming from. Christian Acid Test to be applied to all doctrines

I hope there is more to Foghorn.

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Apology? I have explained why I believe their belief is just above satanism and ASKED them and YOU to explain how it is not. They and YOU run from this explanation. Now you want ME to apologize? Oh man, thanks for the joke of the day!!
 
those with pretense of Greek knowledge to the point they know more than any of the translators into English from 1611 to the present in the 2021 NRSVue.
A condemnation from a person who knows NO Greek, and hasn't the honesty to even admit it. A compliment that I shall accept.

Both the KJV and NRSV"ue" are so biased it would make Joe Biden blush.

The King James had no clue about Koine Greek.
“One man is to be given the credit for the discovery of the Koine – a German pastor named Adolf Deissmann. Even though one or two perceptive scholars had noted the true character of NT Greek as early as the middle of the nineteenth century, their statements made no impression on general opinion. Deissmann, on a visit to a friend in Marburg, found a volume of Greek papyri from Egypt, and leafing through this publication, he was struck by the similarity to the Greek of the NT. He followed up this observation with continued study, and his publications of his findings finally led to general acceptance of the position that the peculiarities of the Greek NT were, for the most part, to be explained by reference to the nonliterary Greek, the popular colloquial language of the period. He first published his results in two volumes of Bible Studies (1895, 1897) and later on in the justly popular Life from the Ancient East (1908).”​
- The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible, pg. 486.​

In numerous posts Dylan refers to "Thayer's," showing his level of competence:
"...in 1895, Adolf Deissmann published his Bibelstudien - an innocently titled work that was to revolutionize the study of the NT. In this work (later translated into English under the title Bible Studies) Deissmann showed that the Greek of the NT was not a language invented by the Holy Spirit (Hermann Cremer had called it "Holy Ghost Greek," largely because 10 percent of its vocabulary had no secular parallels). Rather, Deissmann demonstrated that the bulk of NT vocabulary was to be found in the papyri.​
The pragmatic effect of Deissmann's work was to render obsolete virtually all lexica and lexical commentaries written before the turn of the century. (Thayer's lexicon, published in 1886, was outdated shortly after it came off the press - yet, ironically, it is still relied on today by many NT students.)"
- Daniel B. Wallace. The Basics of New Testament Syntax: An Intermediate Greek Grammar. Zondervan, 2000, p. 21.​

When @Dylan569's academic books fail him, he stops up his ears and poisons the well.

Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,​
(Acts 7:57 KJV)

Rhema
 
Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Notice: the word, "ordained" is NOT "pre-ordained"


It could not mean that by God’s predetermined decree, certain ones are to be saved and others are to be lost simply upon the basis of His own choice. Predestination is never that of individual conformity of the will to salvation without man’s choice, but rather that God has predestined a plan that all who conform will be saved and all who do not will be damned. It is the plan that is predestined, not the act of the will. The Jews who rebelled failed to meet the terms of being appointed to eternal life, while the believing Jews and Gentiles who gladly accepted the terms of the gospel were appointed to the blessings promised to all who will believe unto salvation.
 
Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
Act 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Notice: the word, "ordained" is NOT "pre-ordained"
Hi Curtis, the answer is even more simple than that.

If you could be so kind as to read my post, you will realize that the word "ordained" is not even the word written in the Greek (whether "pre" or not). Let's look at the KJV and work through this:

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were G5021 to eternal life believed.​
(Acts 13:48 KJV)

To be accurate, we would then need to take a look at this word G5021. While often translated by church bias as "ordained" or "destined" or "appointed," the Greek verb is τάσσω.

And I provide a LINK to the Liddell Scott Lexicon for τάσσω
A. draw up in order of battle, form, array, marshal

Does that even sound remotely like "ordained"? No. But also note that the verb is passive in voice: τεταγμενοι with a morphology of V-RPP-NPM, and so...
A. Pass., to be drawn up

So when we read the verse again, what ALL English translations should be saying is:

And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as believed were G5021 drawn up into life eternal.​
(Acts 13:48 KJV-fixed)

It should come as no surprise that scholars who already believe in the Reformed doctrine of predestination would produce a translation that shows such a bias.

Kindly,
Rhema
 
Sorry for the confusion, but am I to understand that you don't follow Paul when Paul himself says to follow him?

Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.​
(1 Corinthians 4:16 KJV)

Be ye followers of me, ...​
(1 Corinthians 11:1 KJV)

Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.​
(Philippians 3:17 KJV)

And ye became followers of us, ...​
(1 Thessalonians 1:6 KJV)

Kindly,
Rhema
Rhema, you're trolling and this is not even amusing. Paul, in context, is urging people to follow him as he follows Yashuah but, I'm betting you know that and if not you need a serious Scripture. Stop picking fights.
 
See this thread that is currently mostly dedicated to my arguments with it. Specifically on naming the heresies, see post #3 and #4 Christian Acid Test to be applied to all doctrines.

I look forward to your sound and scripture-based rebuttals. Calvinists run from any sort of interrogation and discussion. They are only here to post gunk they download from the net.

Please be 'better' than them, Bill.
I reread 3 & 4 but there is no Scriptural Case for condemning Calvin's teaching. I have never been seated under such a teacher but I do find unsupported accusatins disturbing. I can find no case for these statements in this string.
 
I reread 3 & 4 but there is no Scriptural Case for condemning Calvin's teaching.

What are you talking about?

Peter says God is impartial in Acts 10:34. The U and L in TULIP says He is not.

I have never been seated under such a teacher but I do find unsupported accusatins disturbing. I can find no case for these statements in this string.

No case?

Explain to me either:

A. How the U and L in TULIP do not support Partiality, or

B. How partiality by a God creator does not make Him pure evil.

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I am going to get some popcorn as like @Foghorn @Dylan569 and @Brightfame52 I expect you to either do a dance for me, run away or perform a slight of hand magic trick. I have yet to see a Calvinist or a supporter of theirs take a stab at these questions.
 
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