Can anyone tell me who teaches this Theology? What cult, teacher, denomination ?????????

[Bethel]

There are two resurrections to come. The first judgment is the Bema seat judgment for a face to face encounter with Christ with HIS people. Judgment begins at the house of God. This is where people either get a "well done good and faithful servant" or else..a "go away I never knew you". This is where the works are evaluated to see if they are eternal or temporal. If they are spiritual or carnal. If they are dead works or works prepared in advance. This is not about whether a person is saved but whether they are to be vessels of honour and glory... or dishonour and shame. It's about the quality of the salvation they receive from the Lord based on whether they were faithful and righteous, or else faithless and unrighteous.

The second judgment comes with the general resurrection of all people at the GWT (Great White throne) judgment. This is not a face to face encounter with God or Jesus but a sorting by the angels who look for names written in the Book of Life. Whoever is not written in the book of life is thrown int o the lake of fire...to perish there. The saved of the nations will be populated with the righteous on whom God showed mercy. Their names will be present in the Book of Life. God has had mercy on them.

 

[Charlie24]

There are two resurrections to come. The first judgment is the Bema seat judgment for a face to face encounter with Christ with HIS people. Judgment begins at the house of God. This is where people either get a "well done good and faithful servant" or else..a "go away I never knew you". This is where the works are evaluated to see if they are eternal or temporal. If they are spiritual or carnal. If they are dead works or works prepared in advance. This is not about whether a person is saved but whether they are to be vessels of honour and glory... or dishonour and shame. It's about the quality of the salvation they receive from the Lord based on whether they were faithful and righteous, or else faithless and unrighteous.

The second judgment comes with the general resurrection of all people at the GWT (Great White throne) judgment. This is not a face to face encounter with God or Jesus but a sorting by the angels who look for names written in the Book of Life. Whoever is not written in the book of life is thrown int o the lake of fire...to perish there. The saved of the nations will be populated with the righteous on whom God showed mercy. Their names will be present in the Book of Life. God has had mercy on them.

My denomination along with many others teach basically what you have written in the OP.

The apostle Paul told us our (the saved) works will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ. If any man's works pass the test of fire he will receive a reward. If his works are burned up, he will still be saved but will lose his reward. Paul is teaching that our salvation is not determined by works.

The apostle John told us anyone's name who is not found written in the Book of life was cast into the Lake of Fire at the Great White Throne of Judgment.

So here we have 2 separate Judgments, one for the saved and one for the lost.

Christ told us that when He returns He will judge the nations. It is believed the leaders of the nations who joined in with the anti-christ to make war against Israel will be executed. The people of those nations will continue to live as they enter into the 1000 year reign of Christ.

The leaders of these nations who are believed to be executed were the nations who refused to help Israel. Christ referred to this as "when I was thirsty you gave me no drink" speaking of Israel who was suffering under the anti-christ to the death. Christ told them to depart from me into everlasting fire.

 

[Bethel]

My denomination along with many others teach basically what you have written in the OP.

Would you name your denomination, or any "others" by name, that you stated teach this Theology, as i didnt ask you to defend it, i asked you to name the group, denomination, who teaches it.

 

[Charlie24]

Would you name your denomination, or any "others" by name, that you stated teach this Theology, as i didnt ask you to defend it, i asked you to name the group, denomination, who teaches it.

Off the top of my head, the Baptists and Pentecostals would be the best known, there are others.

 

[B-A-C]

This is not a face to face encounter with God or Jesus

Rev 20:11; Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.
Rev 20:12; And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Rom 14:10; But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God.
Heb 10:27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
Heb 10:30 For we know Him who said, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY." And again, "THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE."
Heb 10:31 It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Other than that specific statement, I would say...

The Missouri synod of the Lutheran church.
Southern Baptists,
Independent Baptists.
American Baptists.
Assemblies of God.
Church of God.
Church of Christ.
Foursquare church.
Apostolic Church.
Seventh Day Adventists.
United Methodists.
Most Roman Catholic churches.
Most CoE, Anglican, Episcopal churches.
Many non-denomination churches, ( it is difficult to quantify what percentage of these ).

John 5:22; "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son,
2Cor 5:10; For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

John 5:27; and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.
John 5:28; "Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice,
John 5:29; and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.

Acts 24:15; having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

Rev 20:6; Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

 

[B-A-C]

We aren't saved by works, but are some works required?

Matt 25:44; "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
Matt 25:45; "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matt 25:26; "But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed.
Matt 25:27; 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest.
Matt 25:28; 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.'
Matt 25:29; "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.
Matt 25:30; "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Jas 2:15; If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
Jas 2:16; and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
Jas 2:17; Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18; But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20; But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Luke 10:25; And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
Luke 10:26; And He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?"
Luke 10:27; And he answered, "YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND; AND YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
Luke 10:28; And He said to him, "You have answered correctly; DO THIS AND YOU WILL LIVE."
Luke 10:29; But wishing to justify himself, he said to Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

Luke 10:36; "Which of these three do you think proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell into the robbers' hands?"
Luke 10:37; And he said, "The one who showed mercy toward him." Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do the same."

 

[Charlie24]

We aren't saved by works, but are some works required?

Matt 25:44; "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
Matt 25:45; "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
Matt 25:46; "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Matt 25:26; "But his master answered and said to him, 'You wicked, lazy slave, you knew that I reap where I did not sow and gather where I scattered no seed.
Matt 25:27; 'Then you ought to have put my money in the bank, and on my arrival I would have received my money back with interest.
Matt 25:28; 'Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to the one who has the ten talents.'
Matt 25:29; "For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away.
Matt 25:30; "Throw out the worthless slave into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Jas 2:15; If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
Jas 2:16; and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
Jas 2:17; Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18; But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Jas 2:19; You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20; But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

Jas 2:24; You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

James is speaking of works that prove justification. Paul is speaking of works included in our initial salvation, which is a faith + works salvation.

We work because we are saved, not to get saved. That is the difference.

 

[B-A-C]

This is not a face to face encounter with God or Jesus

Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Some people don't seem to know this verse, I forgot to include it above. But Jesus will be there.

 

[joestue]

hard for me to imagine these aren't both the same judgement.

how could jesus tell you "well done good and faithful servant" if your name isn't in the book of life?
or, go away i never knew you.. if it is?

now as for two resurrections.. yes, at the end of this age the righteous who were beheaded for the testimony of christ will be raised and live through the next 1000 years, then after that the full ressurection of the remaining righteous of this generation and the wicked of both this age and the one before it.

remember that in matt 27:53, the graves were opened and the righteous of the prior age left the planet... you won't find the tomb of the patriarchs occupied today...

 

[Bethel]

Off the top of my head, the Baptists and Pentecostals would be the best known, there are others.

Mainline Baptists dont teach that the "Bema" seat is where Jesus gets rid of Christians.

Mainline Protestant Denominations , nor (Roman Catholic)... neither of these confuse the White Throne Judgement that is for the John 3:36, with the Judgement Seat of Christ that is for the born again Christians.

So, who does teach they are the same?... what Group or Denomination is noted for this "theology"?

 

[Charlie24]

Mainline Baptists dont teach that the "Bema" seat is where Jesus gets rid of Christians.

Mainline Protestant Denominations , nor (Roman Catholic)... neither of these confuse the White Throne Judgement that is for the John 3:36, with the Judgement Seat of Christ that is for the born again Christians.

So, who does teach they are the same?... what Group or Denomination is noted for this "theology"?

I don't know of anyone who teaches the Bema Seat is where Christ gets rid of Christians.

Every denomination I know teaches the works of believers are judged at the Bema Seat as Paul plainly said. There's no confusion on that.

There are some who teach the GWTJ is for both saved and lost, and others teach it's for only the lost.

Again, the Baptists and Pentecostals teach the GWTJ is only for the lost.

 

[Bethel]

I don't know of anyone who teaches the Bema Seat is where Christ gets rid of Christians.

This particular teaching, teaches that "Depart from me, i never knew you", is the Bema Seat.... situation.

Also, notice....,

"" It's about the quality of the salvation they receive from the Lord based on whether they were faithful and righteous, or else faithless and unrighteous.""""


See it?
This teaching is stating that "Salvation" has a "quality".... a sort of LEVELS of Salvation..... and then this teaching says that at the Bema seat.... some of those found there will be judged for being := "UNRIGHTEOUS"..

And noone is Unrightesous, unless they are not saved.... so, this Theology, is teaching that a Born Again Christian, is "unrighteous".., and found to be so at the BEMA seat.

So, its the GWTHJudgement, where the "unrighteous", are judged, as these are the CHRIST REJECTORS...found here.

= John 3:36

So, this teaching is combining the GWTJ, with the Bema seat... and so.. .who teaches this.. what denominations ?

 

[joestue]

So, this teaching is combining the GWTJ, with the Bema seat... and so.. .who teaches this.. what denominations ?

small town cults in my opinion are where you're going to find this "quality of salvation" type situation where, even if you do believe and know Jesus, you're still in danger of hell.

Paul washer used to say things that were pretty close to this.

calvanists teach something similar but the way they do it is by declaring that no one knows if they are saved or not.

 

[Rockerduck]

small town cults in my opinion are where you're going to find this "quality of salvation" type situation where, even if you do believe and know Jesus, you're still in danger of hell.

Paul washer used to say things that were pretty close to this.

calvanists teach something similar but the way they do it is by declaring that no one knows if they are saved or not.

That's not found in TULIP.

 

[joestue]

That's not found in TULIP.

or is it just your version of tulip.

 

[Rockerduck]

or is it just your version of tulip.

Total Depravity​

T stands for total depravity, which describes how sin affects human beings. But to understand this, we have to start before sin entered the world. Our tri-une God from all eternity has existed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, equal in power and glory, enjoying a never-beginning and never-ending relationship of holy love. This holy love motivated God’s free decision to create the universe and to create man and woman in His own image to love Him and each other. However, Adam chose to reject our Creator, and, through Adam’s disobedience, humanity fell into sin (Gen. 3; Rom. 5:12–21). Total depravity says that sin has so twisted us that apart from grace, we love other things more than we love God. Our minds, our bodies, our affections, our spirits—every part of us has been affected by sin, and of our own accord, we cannot escape this predicament. God has not stopped loving His creation, however (John 3:16). And in His love, He restrains sin, keeping us from being as bad as we possibly could be. Thus, even those who do not know Christ can do things that are outwardly good. They can be good neighbors, love their children, and so on. However, outside of grace, none of us does these things with the right motivation to love and glorify God.

 

[Rockerduck]

Total Depravity​

T stands for total depravity, which describes how sin affects human beings. But to understand this, we have to start before sin entered the world. Our tri-une God from all eternity has existed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, equal in power and glory, enjoying a never-beginning and never-ending relationship of holy love. This holy love motivated God’s free decision to create the universe and to create man and woman in His own image to love Him and each other. However, Adam chose to reject our Creator, and, through Adam’s disobedience, humanity fell into sin (Gen. 3; Rom. 5:12–21). Total depravity says that sin has so twisted us that apart from grace, we love other things more than we love God. Our minds, our bodies, our affections, our spirits—every part of us has been affected by sin, and of our own accord, we cannot escape this predicament. God has not stopped loving His creation, however (John 3:16). And in His love, He restrains sin, keeping us from being as bad as we possibly could be. Thus, even those who do not know Christ can do things that are outwardly good. They can be good neighbors, love their children, and so on. However, outside of grace, none of us does these things with the right motivation to love and glorify God.

Unconditional Election​

U stands for unconditional election, which is part of God’s solution to our total depravity. The fall into sin, of course, did not surprise God. He knows the end from the beginning and has ordained history as part of the outworking of His plan and purposes for all things (Isa. 46:8–11; Eph. 1:11). The Lord would have been just to keep us in our state of sin and estrangement from Him, but He decided to set His special love on His people, choosing to redeem them and restore to them their status as God’s children. Unconditional election is God’s loving choice of specific sinners for salvation without respect to any good in them(Rom. 9:1–29). His saving love for us is not conditioned on our intelligence, our looks, our kindness, our social status, or anything else. He loves His people not because they are less sinful than others. Every descendant of Adam and Eve (except for Christ) is a sinner. Unconditional election says that God chooses to save some people and to pass over others. He has a love for some people that He does not have for others. If you are a Christian, it is because in eternity past, long before you were born, God chose to love you with His saving love. He did not choose you because you were better than others. He did not choose you because He knew you would choose Him if He gave you the chance. He simply chose to love you, and since His love is not conditioned on anything in you, He will never stop loving you.

 

[Rockerduck]

Limited Atonement​

L stands for limited atonement, which describes God’s intent behind the death of Christ in providing salvation. The question is, Did Christ intend to atone for the sins of all people who have ever lived, or did He intend to atone for the sins of the elect only? Another way of putting it: Did God love people generally, without reference at all to them as individuals, and send Christ to die to provide a possibility of salvation? Or did God love specific individuals, sending His Son to die for them specifically, perfectly atoning for their sin such that the death of Christ actually guarantees the salvation of a particular people? Christians can rest assured that if they believe, it is because of the work of God, and that work cannot fail because His love cannot fail.

Limited atonement is necessitated by God’s justice. If sin has been atoned for, it has been judged and God no longer holds it against us. But unbelief is a sin, so if Christ died for all sinners, how could God hold unbelief against anyone? Christ atoned for it, after all. But God sends unbelievers to hell, and if their sin has been atoned for, this is unjust. He is holding sin against them that cannot be held against them because Christ atoned for it.

Limited atonement is also taught explicitly in Scripture. Under the old covenant, on the Day of Atonement, the high priest of Israel offered an atoning sacrifice only for the people of Israel, not for everyone on the planet (Lev. 16). In the new covenant, Jesus tells us that He lays His life down for His sheep and only for His sheep (John 10:1–18). Some people are not His sheep but are goats. Jesus died not for the goats but for the sheep—His people. We should note that some people have objected to limited atonement because of texts such as 1 John 2:2, which says Jesus is the propitiation not for our sins only but “for the sins of the whole world.” Yet, that text is not talking about the intent of the atonement; rather, it refers to the way of salvation more generally. God has provided only one way of salvation—through Christ (John 14:6). If anyone in the world is going to be saved, it is going to be through Him. There is no other way. The point of 1 John 2:2 is that Christ is the only atonement that can save anyone, not that He has atoned for the sins of every individual.

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[Rockerduck]

Irresistible Grace​

I stands for irresistible grace, which refers to God’s loving power in salvation. Essentially, it says that if God loves you and wants you in His family, He is going to get you. He loves you so much that He will ensure that you come to faith, and He is powerful enough to guarantee your faith. So often in life, we see people we love going down the wrong path and we cannot convince them to turn from it. We are powerless to ensure that they make the right choice. God’s love is powerful enough to ensure that we make the right choice. He can overcome all resistance we might offer and He never fails to persuade the elect to trust in Him. Certainly, we may resist Christ for a time. We might reject the gospel for years before we believe it. That’s why it might be better to speak of finally irresistible grace or of effectual grace. Yet, when all is said and done, God will bring all of His children to faith.

You can probably see how this is required by unconditional election. If God chooses some for salvation and this will cannot be thwarted, then His grace must be finally irresistible. It must be effectual to bring us to faith. But we also find evidence for it in texts such as John 6:37–40, where we are told that everyone given to Christ by the Father for salvation actually comes to Him. Ephesians 2:1–10 also tells us that God makes people who are dead in sin alive. Resurrection requires an effectual power because dead people cannot respond in faith. God must act effectually to give us new hearts before we believe because we cannot cooperate with Him while dead in sin. Other texts that point to God’s finally irresistible grace include Genesis 12:1–3, where God commands Abram to go up out of Ur and the patriarch does not at all hesitate to leave. God decreed it and it happens.

In sum, irresistible grace preserves the truth that God is not just all-loving but He is all-powerful. His love is strong enough to guarantee the salvation of all those He wants to save. His love for His people is omnipotent.

 

[Rockerduck]

Perseverance of the Saints​

P refers to the perseverance of the saints, which teaches God’s permanent saving love for His people. The Lord never stops loving His people with a saving, effectual love; consequently, all those who have truly believed in Him will not finally fall away from faith. True believers in Christ might seem to abandon Him for a time, but if they have truly believed in Him, they will always come back to Him. Those who profess faith but then fall away finally never actually believed in Christ in the first place. They go out from us because they were never truly of us (1 John 2:19).

Again, other theological points such as unconditional election require perseverance. If God chooses to save the elect, the elect must persevere. We also find the teaching explicitly stated in Scripture. Christ says that no one can snatch us out of the Father’s hand (John 10:28). “No one” includes even us—even we cannot snatch ourselves out of His hand. Romans 8:28–30 says that everyone whom God justifies He also glorifies. Since justification comes by faith alone (Rom. 4), if God glorifies all whom He justifies, He glorifies all who come to saving faith. In short, God loves us too much to let us fall out of His grace. He simply will not let us.

As you can see, TULIP, or the five points of Calvinism, summarizes God’s work of salvation, and it highlights the omnipotent love of God. Christians can rest assured that if they believe, it is because of the work of God, and that work cannot fail because His love cannot fail.